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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 12, 2012 21:33:46 GMT
I have a good recall of the days when England fans were the main culprits in kicking off the violence at international football tournaments. UEFA officials were queuing up to threaten to kick us out of competitions!
Here we have the usual suspects of latter day violence at it again with organised rucks and racist abuse and Im hearing nothing more than a damn good tut or two.
Funny that.
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Post by march4 on Jun 12, 2012 21:36:32 GMT
Russian Football Federation just been charged by UEFA for failing to control their supporters last Friday during and after the Czech game.
Perhaps, Platini and Co are going to do something!!!
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Post by salopstick on Jun 12, 2012 21:38:32 GMT
And yet Despite the ongoing racism and violence Russia get the world cup
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Post by march4 on Jun 12, 2012 21:39:36 GMT
And yet Despite the ongoing racism and violence Russia get the world cup Quite! |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 12, 2012 21:47:52 GMT
And yet Despite the ongoing racism and violence Russia get the world cup Quite! And they've sent gunships to Syria to help the regime there. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 12, 2012 21:49:56 GMT
Such is the scale of tonight's violence that UEFA have quickly convened an emergency meeting.  |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 12, 2012 21:55:45 GMT
To be fair, what was the worst punishment they actually gave us for the behavior of the England fans?
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Post by k on Jun 12, 2012 22:06:58 GMT
To be fair, what was the worst punishment they actually gave us for the behavior of the England fans? Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 12, 2012 23:42:00 GMT
To be fair, what was the worst punishment they actually gave us for the behavior of the England fans? Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? Did a club from another country ever do similar to Heysel though? Not to my knowledge. My point is for all this "if English fans did that we'd get chucked out of the competition" ranting, we've never actually received any serious sanctions. For what it's worth I do believe there is some intrinsic anti-English sentiment in UEFA and FIFA, mainly due to the history of English authorities showing absolutely no respect to both organisations. But I don't believe it's anyway near to the scale people some people would believe. |
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Post by mark71 on Jun 13, 2012 4:19:56 GMT
To be fair, what was the worst punishment they actually gave us for the behavior of the England fans? Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? It wasn't just Liverpool. The heysel disaster was the final straw and a culmination of 15 years of constant aggro. |
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Post by HappyClapper on Jun 13, 2012 5:38:13 GMT
If that was England fans they'd want to kick us out of the tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 6:04:38 GMT
I don't know what the process is or how much trouble there has been. Back in the day, there was trouble at every single game involving an English team. When the FIFA threats came, they were a last resort after years of trouble at domestic league, European club competitions and international games . I don't doubt that the Russians will get similar warnings, but as with England, the aim will be to stop the trouble, not to get rid of the team.
I do agree that, as it stands, there is a concern over their ability to host the world cup given the hooliganism problems they seem to have.
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Post by k on Jun 13, 2012 9:08:18 GMT
Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? It wasn't just Liverpool. The heysel disaster was the final straw and a culmination of 15 years of constant aggro. Where does it say that? Heysal happened on 29th May 1985, and two days later on 31st May UEFA banned all English domestic clubs. If that's not a direct response to the incident itself in isolation, I don't know what is. Surely a review or report of some kind would have been comissioned prior to wholesale action against all clubs being taken, if what you suggest was in fact the case. I don't want to describe it as a knee-jerk reaction by UEFA, as frankly that belittles the loss of lives that occurred in what was, lets not forget, just a game of football. On a side note, you could never see such a ban taking place today against the big footballing countires, England, Spain, Germany, Italy, etc. There's too much money in the game now with the Champsions League, etc. for UEFA to let it happen, regardless of any incident that might occur. |
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Post by k on Jun 13, 2012 9:09:43 GMT
Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? Did a club from another country ever do similar to Heysel though? Not to my knowledge. My point is for all this "if English fans did that we'd get chucked out of the competition" ranting, we've never actually received any serious sanctions. For what it's worth I do believe there is some intrinsic anti-English sentiment in UEFA and FIFA, mainly due to the history of English authorities showing absolutely no respect to both organisations. But I don't believe it's anyway near to the scale people some people would believe. There's been plenty of incidents, maybe not on the same scale as Heysal, but what about the stabbing of those two Leeds fans in Turkey. That was murder! |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2012 10:51:04 GMT
I have noticed it isn't making news here. If it was England involved it'd be different.
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Post by digger on Jun 13, 2012 10:54:56 GMT
Nothing in international tournaments, but they banned ALL British clubs for liverpool's behaviour at Heysal. Of course, a far more serious incident that involved the tragic deaths of many Italian fans, but can you imagine the uproar if all the clubs of one nation were banned for the actions of one club today? Did a club from another country ever do similar to Heysel though? Not to my knowledge. My point is for all this "if English fans did that we'd get chucked out of the competition" ranting, we've never actually received any serious sanctions. For what it's worth I do believe there is some intrinsic anti-English sentiment in UEFA and FIFA, mainly due to the history of English authorities showing absolutely no respect to both organisations. But I don't believe it's anyway near to the scale people some people would believe. two leeds fans killed in turkey |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 13, 2012 10:59:12 GMT
Liverpool fans were stabbed in Rome after the 1984 final.
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