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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 10:32:24 GMT
AGAIN !
Breathtaking laughable !
just like the last world cup
they were saying EXACTLY the same thing
HE IS FUCKING USELESS
and at Euro level
embarrassing !
I rate him as similar to our very own Glenn Whelan
and as the song goes : if 'Barry can play for England - so can I'
PS NO CROUCH = they can go fuck themselves !
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2012 10:38:10 GMT
I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 27, 2012 10:41:54 GMT
I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank? It was pretty painful to watch to be honest, Momo (and that's taking the absentees into account). I don't think Hodgson is a bad bloke but if in essence he picks the same players as previous managers and uses the same tactics, I'm wondering how people think we'll have a very different outcome?
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Post by goonyoustoke on May 27, 2012 10:42:34 GMT
Does this mean that Henderson is going to be off to the Euros?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 10:46:46 GMT
AGAIN ! Breathtaking laughable ! just like the last world cup they were saying EXACTLY the same thing HE IS FUCKING USELESS and at Euro level embarrassing ! I rate him as similar to our very own Glenn Whelan and as the song goes : if 'Barry can play for England - so can I' PS NO CROUCH = they can go fuck themselves ! Who else is there in that position though realistically Tone? Not his biggest fan but he had a decent season and deserved to be in the squad.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2012 10:47:05 GMT
I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank? It was pretty painful to watch to be honest, Momo (and that's taking the absentees into account). I don't think Hodgson is a bad bloke but if in essence he picks the same players as previous managers and uses the same tactics, I'm wondering how people think we'll have a very different outcome? I'm majorly backing us to not qualify from the group at present Jamo. I think France will destroy us in the first game and its steep uphill from there.
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Post by stokiedj on May 27, 2012 10:49:16 GMT
Made me laugh when he came on, first thing he did was got totally outpaced for a ball in midfield which he was favourite to win, it was painful to watch. Dont know whats worse, seeing barry for england or delap for stoke..
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Post by echetus on May 27, 2012 10:57:53 GMT
I know man. Its like deja vu all over again! as Yogi Berra would say. Utterly laughable that we are pinning our hopes on a player who is very average for international football. Spain are waiting on David Villa and England are waiting on... Gareth Barry. He is an option, a squad player, he is NOT a game changer. I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank? He did well enough for the first 10-30 minutes, like the whole England team. Seemed to be causing problems for the Norwegian defence, provided another option. Downing of all people whipped in a great cross and Carroll should have scored but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. However he had a relatively simple pass to set up Young for the second goal but he miss-hit the pass quite poorly and the chance was gone. The midfield then took it upon themselves to shoot on sight rather than use Carroll and he became pretty anonymous. He also gave away a corner with a horrific pass. The Norwegian defence was there for the taking and hardly any England players were worth more than 7 out of 10 so he didn't stand out as having a good game or a bad game particularly. Captain Gerrard did a ludicrous lunging challenge (in the opposition half naturally) that saw the Norwegian lad hobbling off so if he does that in the summer look forward to England playing with ten men. The second half was dire beyond belief, can't remember a single decent chance we created and as I said the Norway defence was really poor. To be fair half of them probably won't get a game in the tournament and you can only beat whats in front of you, so it isn't time to abandon all hope. One player who looked good was Ashley Young, the Ox had a bit of something about him but it was hardly Owen versus Argentina. In conclusion, 6 out of 10 all round and a lot more is needed.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 27, 2012 11:03:21 GMT
It was pretty painful to watch to be honest, Momo (and that's taking the absentees into account). I don't think Hodgson is a bad bloke but if in essence he picks the same players as previous managers and uses the same tactics, I'm wondering how people think we'll have a very different outcome? I'm majorly backing us to not qualify from the group at present Jamo. I think France will destroy us in the first game and its steep uphill from there. That France game is key, mate. I worry that we'll go for a draw and end up losing which will put massive pressure on the Sweden game which history suggest could be another draw.
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Post by lordb on May 27, 2012 11:11:17 GMT
Barry was superb for Man City for the last third of the season
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 11:18:14 GMT
Lord B - I could look superb in that City team !
does not escape the fact that his arse his bigger than mine, he cant pass water and a london bus has a smaller turning circle
I repeat
he is fucking useless
worse - useless with a premier league winners medal
go figure ! (because I cant make him out as anything other than totally overrated)
The very fact some people even rate such players at all - merely confirms our uselessness at international level !
we must have better - surely ?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 11:33:14 GMT
Lord B - I could look superb in that City team ! does not escape the fact that his arse his bigger than mine, he cant pass water and a london bus has a smaller turning circle I repeat he is fucking useless worse - useless with a premier league winners medal go figure ! (because I cant make him out as anything other than totally overrated) The very fact some people even rate such players at all - merely confirms our uselessness at international level ! we must have better - surely ? Like who Tony? You don't win the league with a passenger in your midfield.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 27, 2012 11:36:51 GMT
I was talking to my mate about this last night and if we play 4-3-3 with a central midfield of Lampard, Parker and Gerrard that would negate the Lampard/Gerrard who sits, who goes dilemma as Parker would do the disciplined role.
Then play two of the many wide players we have either side of Carroll then Rooney.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 11:40:38 GMT
I was talking to my mate about this last night and if we play 4-3-3 with a central midfield of Lampard, Parker and Gerrard that would negate the Lampard/Gerrard who sits, who goes dilemma as Parker would do the disciplined role. Then play two of the many wide players we have either side of Carroll then Rooney. In an ideal world that would be good, but I can't see Hodgson employing anything other than a rigid 4-4-2
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 27, 2012 11:41:30 GMT
I was talking to my mate about this last night and if we play 4-3-3 with a central midfield of Lampard, Parker and Gerrard that would negate the Lampard/Gerrard who sits, who goes dilemma as Parker would do the disciplined role. Then play two of the many wide players we have either side of Carroll then Rooney. In an ideal world that would be good, but I can't see Hodgson employing anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 No it won't happen, mate but as with Stoke I think it best suits the players available.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 11:43:11 GMT
In an ideal world that would be good, but I can't see Hodgson employing anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 No it won't happen, mate but as with Stoke I think it best suits the players available. Yeah I agree and last night we lost so much creativity and spark when Gerrard went off it was frightening.
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 12:14:11 GMT
I was talking to my mate about this last night and if we play 4-3-3 with a central midfield of Lampard, Parker and Gerrard that would negate the Lampard/Gerrard who sits, who goes dilemma as Parker would do the disciplined role. Then play two of the many wide players we have either side of Carroll then Rooney. In an ideal world that would be good, but I can't see Hodgson employing anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 We played 4-4-1-1 quite clearly and it was mentioned repeatedly by the commentators.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 12:16:09 GMT
In an ideal world that would be good, but I can't see Hodgson employing anything other than a rigid 4-4-2 We played 4-4-1-1 quite clearly and it was mentioned repeatedly by the commentators. Yes I saw that, but my point is that I can't see Hodgson playing anything other than 2 banks of 4
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 12:17:37 GMT
We played 4-4-1-1 quite clearly and it was mentioned repeatedly by the commentators. Yes I saw that, but my point is that I can't see Hodgson playing anything other than 2 banks of 4 To be fair, he's more flexible than he gets credit for. He showed McCarthy up for the tactical pygmy he is at Molineux by adopting a 4-2-3-1 against Wolves' straight 4-4-2 and ripping Wolves to pieces.
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Post by luke45 on May 27, 2012 12:17:44 GMT
I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank? Best player on the pitch I thought. England played to his strengths, and he dominated in the air and held the ball superbly, I can't think of many occasions all night where he wasted possession.
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 12:19:07 GMT
We played 4-4-1-1 quite clearly and it was mentioned repeatedly by the commentators. Yes I saw that, but my point is that I can't see Hodgson playing anything other than 2 banks of 4 I've no problem with that. English footballers are not the brightest and would struugle with any new concepts. Roy will play for clean sheets and hope to snatch the odd goal.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2012 12:22:51 GMT
I actually forgot we were playing last night. I presume Carroll was utterly wank? Best player on the pitch I thought. England played to his strengths, and he dominated in the air and held the ball superbly, I can't think of many occasions all night where he wasted possession. Like I say,Ii didn't see it but I severely doubt Andy Carroll would be the best player on the pitch if he was playing wallie with himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 12:40:19 GMT
Yes I saw that, but my point is that I can't see Hodgson playing anything other than 2 banks of 4 I've no problem with that. English footballers are not the brightest and would struugle with any new concepts. Roy will play for clean sheets and hope to snatch the odd goal. After the world cup though I thought thats how we should be playing anyway. We simply haven't got the technical ability or mindset to outplay teams like Germany, Spain, Holland, France etc. We showed what we're good at when we played Spain in the friendly and won.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 27, 2012 12:41:43 GMT
As ever it shows how few top quality English players there are.
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Post by sportsman on May 27, 2012 12:53:15 GMT
How the hell was Carroll best player on the pitch? Missed a sitter from 4 yards out with his head. Just because he held it up a few times doesn't mean he's the best on the pitch. If it does then yes we are in the shit.
Walters holds it up, but a striker is judged on his finishing. He couldn't finish a wank.
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Post by march4 on May 27, 2012 12:53:26 GMT
I've no problem with that. English footballers are not the brightest and would struugle with any new concepts. Roy will play for clean sheets and hope to snatch the odd goal. After the world cup though I thought thats how we should be playing anyway. We simply haven't got the technical ability or mindset to outplay teams like Germany, Spain, Holland, France etc. We showed what we're good at when we played Spain in the friendly and won. As our players are inferior, we need to take a leaf from the book used by Denmark and Greece. You can win this tournament by keeping it tight in a rigid 4-4-1-1 and rely on setpieces. The one thing those teams had that we don't is an indominatable team spirit.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 27, 2012 12:56:01 GMT
March, did you go out for a meal in Olso after the game??
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 12:56:16 GMT
Best player on the pitch I thought. England played to his strengths, and he dominated in the air and held the ball superbly, I can't think of many occasions all night where he wasted possession. Like I say,Ii didn't see it but I severely doubt Andy Carroll would be the best player on the pitch if he was playing wallie with himself. But your knowledge of football is beyond embarrassingly bad that you don't know your arse from your elbow regarding the beautiful game. So any opinion is generally laughed at or ignored.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2012 13:18:26 GMT
Like I say,Ii didn't see it but I severely doubt Andy Carroll would be the best player on the pitch if he was playing wallie with himself. But your knowledge of football is beyond embarrassingly bad that you don't know your arse from your elbow regarding the beautiful game. So any opinion is generally laughed at or ignored. Coming from someone who started supporting Stoke in 2007 and fingers his sister, that hurts.
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Post by burberrybassist on May 27, 2012 14:01:42 GMT
We effectively fielded the England B team last night and managed to get a win against a team who although aren't world class, are certainly hard to beat (as been proved in the past). That's the positives. The team were very poor though and a lot of work is needed! Nobody really shone in my opinion apart from Young.
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