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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 21, 2012 23:04:35 GMT
I see the brains trust are out in force with there usual bullshit analysis of why Peter Crouch is no good for Stoke City. What are we saying? We're Stoke and we don;t want decent footballers? Jesus wept. Tone could turn Lionel Messi into Carlton Palmer. Everyone has to fit into his system or they get the boot. The morale at the club must be terrible. If you kept getting the shaft at work, would you hate the boss?
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 23:06:02 GMT
Walters runs into the channels all day long as he did last season. Crouch doesn't do that but then again I can't remember Jones doing that too often either! Phil ... did you actually watch the game today? We started off playing 4-1-4-1. Whelan was playing on the toes of the centre backs and Walters was playing (virtually) along side Palacios in central midfield. Crouch was completely and utterly isolated. We gradually progessed to 4-5-1 with Walters playing on the right flank. THIS SORT OF APPROACH HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL SEASON. There is no pace, no movement, no nothing from our solitary stiker leading a lonely line on his todd this season. This is why we have become almost completely dependent on set pieces for our goals. Jermaine Pennant has got the most accurate and most consistent delivery of any winger in the Premiership this season. To place the blame for our lack of goal scoring opportunities this season on the shoulders of our wingers is utterly ridiculous. I'm not saying it's all there fault FFS! But you can't deny that they create most of the opportunities in the way we set up and that they've been largely poor this season. That's what I was saying
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 21, 2012 23:08:13 GMT
Phil ... did you actually watch the game today? We started off playing 4-1-4-1. Whelan was playing on the toes of the centre backs and Walters was playing (virtually) along side Palacios in central midfield. Crouch was completely and utterly isolated. We gradually progessed to 4-5-1 with Walters playing on the right flank. THIS SORT OF APPROACH HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL SEASON. There is no pace, no movement, no nothing from our solitary stiker leading a lonely line on his todd this season. This is why we have become almost completely dependent on set pieces for our goals. Jermaine Pennant has got the most accurate and most consistent delivery of any winger in the Premiership this season. To place the blame for our lack of goal scoring opportunities this season on the shoulders of our wingers is utterly ridiculous. I'm not saying it's all there fault FFS! But you can't deny that they create most of the opportunities in the way we set up and that they've been largely poor this season. That's what I was saying Stoke have some good players. The problem is the bloke running the team and his dog shit TACTIC.
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 23:12:55 GMT
I'm not saying it's all there fault FFS! But you can't deny that they create most of the opportunities in the way we set up and that they've been largely poor this season. That's what I was saying Stoke have some good players. The problem is the bloke running the team and his dog shit TACTIC. The tactics are the best that mankind have yet developed. They allow smaller clubs (and countries) to overcome those with more technical skills. If England employed them, we would walk away with every trophy going, just as Denmark and Greece did. Just because some snobbish ponces in the media prefer performing seals to effective football doesn't make the tactics poor. Next week, should we try to out tip tap Arsenal or try to smash them off the face of the Earth. I know which I prefer.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 21, 2012 23:12:55 GMT
Phil ... did you actually watch the game today? We started off playing 4-1-4-1. Whelan was playing on the toes of the centre backs and Walters was playing (virtually) along side Palacios in central midfield. Crouch was completely and utterly isolated. We gradually progessed to 4-5-1 with Walters playing on the right flank. THIS SORT OF APPROACH HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL SEASON. There is no pace, no movement, no nothing from our solitary stiker leading a lonely line on his todd this season. This is why we have become almost completely dependent on set pieces for our goals. Jermaine Pennant has got the most accurate and most consistent delivery of any winger in the Premiership this season. To place the blame for our lack of goal scoring opportunities this season on the shoulders of our wingers is utterly ridiculous. I'm not saying it's all there fault FFS! But you can't deny that they create most of the opportunities in the way we set up and that they've been largely poor this season. That's what I was saying But what you're saying is, erm ... wrong. Jermaine Pennant has averaged more accurate crosses than any other player in the premiership this season, Matty Ethertington has averaged the third most. The issue is that we don't do anything ELSE anymore. The wingers isn't the problem, what's going on (or indeed isn't going on ) in front of the wingers is where the issue(s) lies.
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 23:15:44 GMT
I see the brains trust are out in force with there usual bullshit analysis of why Peter Crouch is no good for Stoke City. What are we saying? We're Stoke and we don;t want decent footballers? Jesus wept. Tone could turn Lionel Messi into Carlton Palmer. Everyone has to fit into his system or they get the boot. The morale at the club must be terrible. If you kept getting the shaft at work, would you hate the boss? If that's the case some people on here think that Crouchy doesn't fit into our system so Tone should boot him out?
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 23:18:58 GMT
Tone could turn Lionel Messi into Carlton Palmer. Everyone has to fit into his system or they get the boot. The morale at the club must be terrible. If you kept getting the shaft at work, would you hate the boss? If that's the case some people on here think that Crouchy doesn't fit into our system so Tone should boot him out? Correct and I think he will.
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 23:25:45 GMT
If that's the case some people on here think that Crouchy doesn't fit into our system so Tone should boot him out? Correct and I think he will. That's as likely as Walters being dropped
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 21, 2012 23:38:29 GMT
march
To blame crouch for the poor form of our wingers defies belief. He is 10 times the player KJ is.
If Ethers was in the form this year as he was last year he would have scored more.
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 23:42:15 GMT
march To blame crouch for the poor form of our wingers defies belief. He is 10 times the player KJ is. If Ethers was in the form this year as he was last year he would have scored more. Crouch just doesn't fit our style. Paul Spencer warned about this from day 1 and has been proven correct. Crouch is the reason our other 3 offensive players are not performing so well. All other things are exactly the same - there is no other conclusion you can draw.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 22, 2012 0:45:41 GMT
march To blame crouch for the poor form of our wingers defies belief. He is 10 times the player KJ is. If Ethers was in the form this year as he was last year he would have scored more. Crouch just doesn't fit our style. Paul Spencer warned about this from day 1 and has been proven correct. Crouch is the reason our other 3 offensive players are not performing so well. All other things are exactly the same - there is no other conclusion you can draw. This from the biggest champion of TP's playing style and from a poster who really understands how it works. I'm not a natural fan of the method but I do appreciate its efficiency and excitement. At its best it works, and I'd rather watch it than Barcelona's passing for passing's sake. TP's style needs players of a certain physical skill type. Does Peter Crouch really fit? I think he'd suit Arsenal better than he suits us.
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Post by stokies on Apr 22, 2012 1:12:38 GMT
He was the only player to emerge with any credit from today's debacle. + ShawX
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