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Post by numpty40 on Apr 21, 2012 21:11:35 GMT
Was anyone else in for Crouch during the last transfer window?
He must privately question his decision to come to Stoke as he chases aimless hoofs in his general direction every minute he is on the pitch.
He was the only player to emerge with any credit from today's debacle.
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Post by andycooke96 on Apr 21, 2012 21:21:04 GMT
I think he probably does at time question as do I about the way Pulis plays him but his goal-scoring record this season is good and I would say his peformances merit euro2012 england squad
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2012 21:50:08 GMT
Sunderland were rumoured to be interested...I remember watching deadline day and the North East reporter was adament Crouch was on his way to their training ground ;d...Imagine the Sunderland fans when they found out it was Bendtner...
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 21, 2012 21:55:34 GMT
I think he probably does at time question as do I about the way Pulis plays him but his goal-scoring record this season is good and I would say his peformances merit euro2012 england squad A major part of the poorest strike force in English football, and our poorest strike force since promotion. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:00:57 GMT
Imagine how poor we'd have been up front this season with Jones and Walters and no Crouch!
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:03:12 GMT
Imagine how poor we'd have been up front this season with Jones and Walters and no Crouch! Like we were last season?? |
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Post by alster on Apr 21, 2012 22:09:29 GMT
Imagine how poor we'd have been up front this season with Jones and Walters and no Crouch! Like we were last season?? Some people just refuse to see that Crouch can be a decent footballer but totally hamper the way the team plays. Its not a slight against Crouch as a player but his game just does not suit the way we set up. We should get rid or adapt our methods to get the best out of him and the other 10 players on the pitch. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:12:12 GMT
Like we were last season?? Some people just refuse to see that Crouch can be a decent footballer but totally hamper the way the team plays. Its not a slight against Crouch as a player but his game just does not suit the way we set up. We should get rid or adapt our methods to get the best out of him and the other 10 players on the pitch. Spot on, mate! |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 21, 2012 22:15:21 GMT
He could probably have moved elsewhere but who in all honesty would have paid 10 million and had to take Woodgate and kite man as part of the deal?  |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 21, 2012 22:16:15 GMT
Imagine how poor we'd have been up front this season with Jones and Walters and no Crouch! Like we were last season?? Exactly. Crouch may be a touch better than Jones, but Jones and Walters were better than Crouch and Walters. Jones and Fuller or Crouch and Fuller could be even better. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:17:24 GMT
Like we were last season?? Some people just refuse to see that Crouch can be a decent footballer but totally hamper the way the team plays. Its not a slight against Crouch as a player but his game just does not suit the way we set up. We should get rid or adapt our methods to get the best out of him and the other 10 players on the pitch. Yes good idea. Let's just piss £10 million up the wall eh??? |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 21, 2012 22:17:52 GMT
Some people just refuse to see that Crouch can be a decent footballer but totally hamper the way the team plays. Its not a slight against Crouch as a player but his game just does not suit the way we set up. We should get rid or adapt our methods to get the best out of him and the other 10 players on the pitch. Spot on, mate! Agreed. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 21, 2012 22:18:47 GMT
Some people just refuse to see that Crouch can be a decent footballer but totally hamper the way the team plays. Its not a slight against Crouch as a player but his game just does not suit the way we set up. We should get rid or adapt our methods to get the best out of him and the other 10 players on the pitch. Spot on, mate! +3 |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:18:57 GMT
Like we were last season?? Exactly. Crouch may be a touch better than Jones, but Jones and Walters were better than Crouch and Walters. Jones and Fuller or Crouch and Fuller could be even better. Ethers and JP were also better with KJ and Walters than they are with Crouch and Walters. Today showed yet again that Crouch is neither mobile enough nor quick enough to play the lone striker role. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:24:45 GMT
Exactly. Crouch may be a touch better than Jones, but Jones and Walters were better than Crouch and Walters. Jones and Fuller or Crouch and Fuller could be even better. Ethers and JP were also better with KJ and Walters than they are with Crouch and Walters. Today showed yet again that Crouch is neither mobile enough nor quick enough to play the lone striker role. Don't think Ethers and JPs performances were better last season just because of who was playing up front then. I'm sure if they'd have got half the crosses in this season that they did last we'd have scored considerably more goals. They've been poor regardless of who's played up front this season + Walters has been awful for most of the season. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:26:48 GMT
Ethers and JP were also better with KJ and Walters than they are with Crouch and Walters. Today showed yet again that Crouch is neither mobile enough nor quick enough to play the lone striker role. Don't think Ethers and JPs performances were better last season just because of who was playing up front then. I'm sure if they'd have for half the crosses in this season that they did last we'd have scored considerably more goals. They've been poor regardless of who's played up front this season + Walters has been awful for most of the season. KJ is much more mobile than Crouch (just watch the semi-final for evidence). He made runs for the wingers rather than just be a static target in the box. Crouch is the reason we aren't scoring from open play. |
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Post by Peter crouch on Apr 21, 2012 22:31:42 GMT
the only reason he sign was cuz spurs are paying half his wages or he wouldnt of give us a second look
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:38:24 GMT
We've seen before if we play the ball up to Crouch's chest he has the skill to bring other players into the game, which I don't think Kenwyne ever has. The problem is that for some reason Pulis has altered the way we're trying to play and it's clearly not working. The wingers have also been out of form for most of the season and they're our main (only) attacking outlet. The central midfielders we all know are there in a defensive mode only and are told to sit there and not go forward hence we have been creating very little from open play this season. Get the wingers flying again, new ones if necessary and we'll be okay with Crouch up front.
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:39:36 GMT
We've seen before if we play the ball up to Crouch's chest he has the skill to bring other players into the game, which I don't think Kenwyne ever has. The problem is that for some reason Pulis has altered the way we're trying to play and it's clearly not working. The wingers have also been out of form for most of the season and they're our main (only) attacking outlet. The central midfielders we all know are there in a defensive mode only and are told to sit there and not go forward hence we have been creating very little from open play this season. Get the wingers flying again, new ones if necessary and we'll be okay with Crouch up front. How often does Crouch get the wingers into the game? I'm really struggling to think of a single occasion. |
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 21, 2012 22:43:35 GMT
I see the brains trust are out in force with there usual bullshit analysis of why Peter Crouch is no good for Stoke City.
What are we saying? We're Stoke and we don;t want decent footballers?
Jesus wept.
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:43:58 GMT
We've seen before if we play the ball up to Crouch's chest he has the skill to bring other players into the game, which I don't think Kenwyne ever has. The problem is that for some reason Pulis has altered the way we're trying to play and it's clearly not working. The wingers have also been out of form for most of the season and they're our main (only) attacking outlet. The central midfielders we all know are there in a defensive mode only and are told to sit there and not go forward hence we have been creating very little from open play this season. Get the wingers flying again, new ones if necessary and we'll be okay with Crouch up front. How often does Crouch get the wingers into the game? I'm really struggling to think of a single occasion. As I said when we play the ball to his feet or chest, which with our lack of attacking intent recently hasn't been happening. We've just been lumping the ball up to his bonce and hoping the ball drops to Walters (as it did today, and he blazed wide!) Weve done it sporadically this season and we've looked a better team for it. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:45:08 GMT
How often does Crouch get the wingers into the game? I'm really struggling to think of a single occasion. As I said when we play the ball to his feet or chest, which with our lack of attacking intent recently hasn't been happening. We've just been lumping the ball up to his bonce and hoping the ball drops to Walters (as it did today, and he blazed wide!) Weve done it sporadically this season and we've looked a better team for it. We'd have looked even better if Crouch hadn't signed. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:46:31 GMT
As I said when we play the ball to his feet or chest, which with our lack of attacking intent recently hasn't been happening. We've just been lumping the ball up to his bonce and hoping the ball drops to Walters (as it did today, and he blazed wide!) Weve done it sporadically this season and we've looked a better team for it. We'd have looked even better if Crouch hadn't signed. Well that's your opinion  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 21, 2012 22:46:42 GMT
Ethers and JP were also better with KJ and Walters than they are with Crouch and Walters. Today showed yet again that Crouch is neither mobile enough nor quick enough to play the lone striker role. Don't think Ethers and JPs performances were better last season just because of who was playing up front then. I'm sure if they'd have got half the crosses in this season that they did last we'd have scored considerably more goals. They've been poor regardless of who's played up front this season + Walters has been awful for most of the season. But the stats show that between them, Pennant and Etherington have been getting more accurate crosses into the box this season than they did last season. The key diffference is that they haven't got any additional alternatives this season, nobody is making runs into the channels, there is no movement in front of them, nobody is offering themselves by making a run off the shoulder of the last defender. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:49:36 GMT
Walters runs into the channels all day long as he did last season. Crouch doesn't do that but then again I can't remember Jones doing that too often either!
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 22:51:52 GMT
Walters runs into the channels all day long as he did last season. Crouch doesn't do that but then again I can't remember Jones doing that too often either! Jones consistently made runs for the wingers, as we saw in the cup semi-final. |
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:54:34 GMT
Oh yeah, forgot about the cup semi final!
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Post by philb on Apr 21, 2012 22:55:56 GMT
If we're back to the Crouch or Jones argument again, I know where my preferences are.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 21, 2012 22:58:36 GMT
Walters runs into the channels all day long as he did last season. Crouch doesn't do that but then again I can't remember Jones doing that too often either! Phil ... did you actually watch the game today? We started off playing 4-1-4-1. Whelan was playing on the toes of the centre backs and Walters was playing (virtually) along side Palacios in central midfield. Crouch was completely and utterly isolated. We gradually progessed to 4-5-1 with Walters playing on the right flank. THIS SORT OF APPROACH HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL SEASON. There is no pace, no movement, no nothing from our solitary stiker leading a lonely line on his todd this season. This is why we have become almost completely dependent on set pieces for our goals. Jermaine Pennant has got the most accurate and most consistent delivery of any winger in the Premiership this season. To place the blame for our lack of goal scoring opportunities this season on the shoulders of our wingers is utterly ridiculous. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 21, 2012 23:01:40 GMT
Walters runs into the channels all day long as he did last season. Crouch doesn't do that but then again I can't remember Jones doing that too often either! Phil ... did you actually watch the game today? We started off playing 4-1-4-1. Whelan was playing on the toes of the centre backs and Walters was playing (virtually) along side Palacios in central midfield. Crouch was completely and utterly isolated. We gradually progessed to 4-5-1 with Walters playing on the right flank. THIS SORT OF APPROACH HAS BEEN GOING ON ALL SEASON. There is no pace, no movement, no nothing from our solitary stiker leading a lonely line on his todd this season. This is why we have become almost completely dependent on set pieces for our goals. Jermaine Pennant has got the most accurate and most consistent delivery of any winger in the Premiership this season. To place the blame for our lack of goal scoring opportunities this season on the shoulders of our wingers is utterly ridiculous. I think Palacios should have been alongside Whelan. The fact that he kept on wandering forwards was ill discipline on his part and it was costly for the 2nd goal. I thought Palacios was just unfit; after today I am worried about his capacity to play where he is told. It was no surprise that we looked much more comfortable once Whelan and Deano were reunited in the middle. |
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