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Post by rawli on Apr 21, 2012 21:37:17 GMT
I've said it on other threads and I'll say it again..... Walters is continually picked by Pulis because he does the job that he is asked to do. Its as simple as that like it or lump it. I'm sure if he didn't track back and help out the midfield and close down etc (like Jerome/Fuller/Kitson/Tuncay don't/didn't) then he would get dropped. Pulis see's him doing the job he's asked to do and rightly or wrongly keeps picking him for his teamwork. Wrongly
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Apr 21, 2012 21:37:40 GMT
Just got back from Newcastle.
I spent the 4 hour drive back trying to figure out why TP persists in playing Walters. I still don't know the answer, it's beyond me.
I'm not blaming Walters for today's defeat, I am blaming him for yet again failing to threaten to score even when chances are laid on a plate for him.
Three decent chances fell to him today. The fact that he didn't manage to score was annoying enough but what incensed me (and the other Stoke fans I spoke to) was that he didn't even hit the target, he didn't force their keeper into a save. Their forwards would have made much more of the same chances.
How can we hope to progress with such an inept forward? Apart from a freak bit of a purple patch towards the end of last season he's been useless. I can't think of another Premier side who would have him.
If Walters had carried on playing after everyone had left today and you phoned the Newcastle groundsman now to ask if he was still there he'd say "Yes he's still out there on the pitch,he's been there 5 hours now, and he still hasn't managed to fucking score!"
A bloke who sits behind me says watching Walters is like watching a dog with a balloon. I'm not so sure, a dog with a balloon is quite funny, Walters just looks pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 1:04:29 GMT
It's criminal that this robbing scouse bastard is pinching a living from this football club, and even more heinous that the capped one continues to play him despite him being so woefully inept. It's only a matter of time before the fans lose patience with this utter prick, for the continual shite that he serves up. Penalties, open goal misses and clear cut chances are squandered on a weekly basis, costing us point after point. If Shawcross was scoring own goals on a weekly basis, then he'd be booed off the pitch, yet shitty johnny wankstain is still loved by the capped cunt and the deluded fans on here. He does not have a clue whatsoever as to where the goal is. If the capped cunt continues to play him then we need to invest in some of these: The number of goals scored this season is pathetic, and Shitty Johnny Wankstain needs to be held accountable for his paltry 2 goals not from the penalty spot in 44 starts. There was a time when we used to say that we'd never turn against any player that gave 100% for our club. Johnny Walters is one of those, so I just don't get why there's a need for the abuse. If anyone's to blame, then we need to look at the capped one. Why have we spent an absolute fortune assembling a frontline that should be the envy of every Prem team oustside of the top 6? Yet when a player has been so horribly in need of a rest for months, the manager can't find anyone capable of replacing him. We're doing the player no favours, given that he's hopefully on his way to the Euros shortly. Give the guy a rest FFS!
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 22, 2012 1:12:03 GMT
It's criminal that this robbing scouse bastard is pinching a living from this football club, and even more heinous that the capped one continues to play him despite him being so woefully inept. It's only a matter of time before the fans lose patience with this utter prick, for the continual shite that he serves up. Penalties, open goal misses and clear cut chances are squandered on a weekly basis, costing us point after point. If Shawcross was scoring own goals on a weekly basis, then he'd be booed off the pitch, yet shitty johnny wankstain is still loved by the capped cunt and the deluded fans on here. He does not have a clue whatsoever as to where the goal is. If the capped cunt continues to play him then we need to invest in some of these: The number of goals scored this season is pathetic, and Shitty Johnny Wankstain needs to be held accountable for his paltry 2 goals not from the penalty spot in 44 starts. There was a time when we used to say that we'd never turn against any player that gave 100% for our club. Johnny Walters is one of those, so I just don't get why there's a need for the abuse. If anyone's to blame, then we need to look at the capped one. Why have we spent an absolute fortune assembling a frontline that should be the envy of every Prem team oustside of the top 6? Yet when a player has been so horribly in need of a rest for months, the manager can't find anyone capable of replacing him. We're doing the player no favours, given that he's hopefully on his way to the Euros shortly. Give the guy a rest FFS! But its his fault that he can't find an empty net from 2 paces!!! He's not giving 100% for the club, because if he were, then he'd be spending hours after training doing shooting practice. Call himself a Premier League striker who consistently misses sitter after sitter after sitter. Walters and Begovic should be forced to stay behind after training to take part. Walters may learn how to hit a shot on target and eventually hit the back of the net, and Begovic might learn how to make more than 1 save per match from shots outside of the penalty area. Part of the problem lies with the master of away day disaster, but Walters needs to take responsibility for his own actions, and start acting like a Premier League footballer, not a police dog.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2012 1:19:04 GMT
There was a time when we used to say that we'd never turn against any player that gave 100% for our club. Johnny Walters is one of those, so I just don't get why there's a need for the abuse. If anyone's to blame, then we need to look at the capped one. Why have we spent an absolute fortune assembling a frontline that should be the envy of every Prem team oustside of the top 6? Yet when a player has been so horribly in need of a rest for months, the manager can't find anyone capable of replacing him. We're doing the player no favours, given that he's hopefully on his way to the Euros shortly. Give the guy a rest FFS! But its his fault that he can't find an empty net from 2 paces!!! He's not giving 100% for the club, because if he were, then he'd be spending hours after training doing shooting practice. Call himself a Premier League striker who consistently misses sitter after sitter after sitter. Walters and Begovic should be forced to stay behind after training to take part. Walters may learn how to hit a shot on target and eventually hit the back of the net, and Begovic might learn how to make more than 1 save per match from shots outside of the penalty area. Part of the problem lies with the master of away day disaster, but Walters needs to take responsibility for his own actions, and start acting like a Premier League footballer, not a police dog. Get real. Any player found staying behind to attempt shooting practice would be punished with death.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2012 11:34:33 GMT
He is being played in a striker role. We have scored fewer goals than any other team. There is your answer!
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Post by boweryboy on Apr 22, 2012 13:37:40 GMT
Pulis after the match said ......i didn't think we played that bad......well there lies the problem....if he can't see it, then in his mind there is nothing to change......and i'm sure the only ones to agree with him will be his yes men he has got around him......roll on the end of NEXT season.......
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Post by jarhead on Apr 22, 2012 13:39:35 GMT
32 goals in the league from us and walters as put 3 in open play! 3 in 33 is fucking abysmal yet he keeps getting picked! against wolves he missed a open goal, he missed a sitter today and yet next week he will be the first name down! Cant the dumb deluded baseball cap wearing tit see its not working??? no pace no creativity, no flair its just utter shit spot on
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Post by jarhead on Apr 22, 2012 13:40:18 GMT
It's criminal that this robbing scouse bastard is pinching a living from this football club, and even more heinous that the capped one continues to play him despite him being so woefully inept. It's only a matter of time before the fans lose patience with this utter prick, for the continual shite that he serves up. Penalties, open goal misses and clear cut chances are squandered on a weekly basis, costing us point after point. If Shawcross was scoring own goals on a weekly basis, then he'd be booed off the pitch, yet shitty johnny wankstain is still loved by the capped cunt and the deluded fans on here. He does not have a clue whatsoever as to where the goal is. If the capped cunt continues to play him then we need to invest in some of these: The number of goals scored this season is pathetic, and Shitty Johnny Wankstain needs to be held accountable for his paltry 2 goals not from the penalty spot in 44 starts. welcome to my world
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Post by jarhead on Apr 22, 2012 13:42:22 GMT
Pulis after the match said ......i didn't think we played that bad......well there lies the problem....if he can't see it, then in his mind there is nothing to change......and i'm sure the only ones to agree with him will be his yes men he has got around him......roll on the end of NEXT season....... Pulis IS the problem because he thinks we Played well and should of won IF Lassie had put his sitter away but yet again he misses but thats ok with Pulis because he is a lovely fella! PULIS OUT
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Post by Beardy200 on Apr 22, 2012 13:48:54 GMT
TP just said on Sky at 8.00pm he could have scored a hat trick today.....Now I know we were high in the sky looking down on creation, but was TP watching the same game as us? He could have scored a hat trick. Unfortunately he's not very good so the likelihood was slim to none even though he had some half decent chances.
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Post by theoldvic on Apr 22, 2012 14:33:59 GMT
"could have scored a hat trick today". do me a fuckin favour pulis. he SHOULD have scored a hat trick, the only problem being hes an absolute steaming pile of camel shit. but stick with him tone you never know he might just need another 30 starts and he could score.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Apr 22, 2012 14:45:55 GMT
Games STARTED 33 ( yes every single game he has started ) Games scored - 5 ( 3 of which are penaltys he nicked off Etheringtons role WBA last season) Last goal from open play November 19th v QPR. Disgrace and embarrassing from TP. I was speaking to Ipswich fans at an England game last year and they told me he is a one season wonder. He will have one good season and then just run around alot. Seems they were right.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 22, 2012 17:52:46 GMT
Walters needs replacing, but it should have been done in January, Jerome isn't the answer and never will be, I'd sooner Fuller start than Jerome.....and walters for that matter!!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 22, 2012 17:55:46 GMT
I've said it on other threads and I'll say it again..... Walters is continually picked by Pulis because he does the job that he is asked to do. Its as simple as that like it or lump it. I'm sure if he didn't track back and help out the midfield and close down etc (like Jerome/Fuller/Kitson/Tuncay don't/didn't) then he would get dropped. Pulis see's him doing the job he's asked to do and rightly or wrongly keeps picking him for his teamwork. But he's having to track back continually because he's not doing the job up front......even Kenwyne can hold a ball up better than Walters!!!
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Post by jeycov on Apr 22, 2012 18:09:06 GMT
12 months ago to the day what were we saying about him?
He isn't linking with Crouch too well, is tracking back and then out of position / exhausted trying to get back on the attack?
At the moment:-
1. He needs a rest 2. Once the changes to the squad are made over the summer, he needs to have to fight for a starting place. This was the situation he was in at the beginning of last season and when his chance came along he took it.
I still think he is an asset to hold onto.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2012 18:12:42 GMT
It's criminal that this robbing scouse bastard is pinching a living from this football club, and even more heinous that the capped one continues to play him despite him being so woefully inept. It's only a matter of time before the fans lose patience with this utter prick, for the continual shite that he serves up. Penalties, open goal misses and clear cut chances are squandered on a weekly basis, costing us point after point. If Shawcross was scoring own goals on a weekly basis, then he'd be booed off the pitch, yet shitty johnny wankstain is still loved by the capped cunt and the deluded fans on here. He does not have a clue whatsoever as to where the goal is. If the capped cunt continues to play him then we need to invest in some of these: The number of goals scored this season is pathetic, and Shitty Johnny Wankstain needs to be held accountable for his paltry 2 goals not from the penalty spot in 44 starts. Comment away on the abilities of players but this level of abuse is not called for. IF you're a Stoke fan you're a fucking disgrace mate.
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Post by oasis on Apr 22, 2012 18:16:50 GMT
He is a bench warmer at the very best.
He needs replacing. With who I don't know!
Big summer ahead. Next season could be make or brake for TP
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Post by sportsman on Apr 22, 2012 18:17:59 GMT
Abusing players like Walters and woodgate says to me that the person can not call himself a Stoke fan, no matter how long he or she has supported Stoke.
For a player that did so much for us last season, and struggled in front of goal this season with poor finishing and confidence, he deserves more respect than to be abused by these tossers.
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Post by chrisw1981 on Apr 22, 2012 18:33:14 GMT
The problem with Walters is that he had a point to prove last season and was playing out of his skin.
Sorry to say that he appears to be a one season wonder and is now just a headless chicken playing above his level.
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Post by Northy on Apr 22, 2012 18:36:14 GMT
I've said it on other threads and I'll say it again..... Walters is continually picked by Pulis because he does the job that he is asked to do. Its as simple as that like it or lump it. I'm sure if he didn't track back and help out the midfield and close down etc (like Jerome/Fuller/Kitson/Tuncay don't/didn't) then he would get dropped. Pulis see's him doing the job he's asked to do and rightly or wrongly keeps picking him for his teamwork. He isn't doing that job very well though is he? Cabaye, Tiote, ben Arfa and Gutierrez didn't seem bothered at all by Walters' closing down efforts and I can't imagine any of our other striking options would have been less effective going forward. If we are playing Walters simply for defensive duties then why not play the extra midfielder. and that Valencia centre half who he just watched walk forward and strike that shot, and that Villa lad who he didn't react to close down until the ball was passed to him, then it was too late.
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Post by Northy on Apr 22, 2012 18:38:11 GMT
Abusing players like Walters and woodgate says to me that the person can not call himself a Stoke fan, no matter how long he or she has supported Stoke. For a player that did so much for us last season, and struggled in front of goal this season with poor finishing and confidence, he deserves more respect than to be abused by these tossers. since when has walters been abused on the pitch? People have opinions on here and don't need to be called tossers, when it's quite obvious he's out of his depth and getting £20k- £30k or more a week for it
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Post by jeycov on Apr 22, 2012 20:03:08 GMT
The goals scored by our beloved team currently stand at 32 for 2011/2012 Last year final total 36
For the current season, this includes 5 league goals(so far) from SJW - last season he scored 6 Both seasons he has been our 2nd highest scorer.
For this season top scorer Peter Crouch - currently on 9, last season Kenwynne Jones who finished on 9.
I think that SJW is having a tough time and should be rested.
Last season he had much better service, in particular from Pennant and Etherington - who have not been as significant / effective this season.
They are getting some criticism on here - most of it justified, but Walters seems to be public enemy no 1! unfairly in my opinion.
He is ONE OF A NUMBER OF PLAYERS who have been disappointing, have underachieved ......
TP needs to rest him BUT if he doesn't then we should try and get behind SJW and hope that he finds the net again soon!!
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Post by philb on Apr 22, 2012 20:48:08 GMT
Must admit i can't believe the abuse he's getting on here. For god sake he's a Stoke player whom the Supporters are supposed to support. If some of you hate him that much go down to training and tell him what you think of him face to face. Yes he's had a poor season but the abuse he's getting is just ridiculous. I suppose those with the really abusive comments never cheered when he scored for us eh! We all have our fave players and players we don't like but come on people get a grip. FFS
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Apr 22, 2012 21:25:05 GMT
The role that Walters is being asked to play would stifle the scoring ability of any player in the Premiership, he is being asked to win the ball, hold it and lay it off, track back and defend covering every blade of grass and then if he has enough energy left when a half chance opens for him with absolutely no movement from other players to help him is expected to slot it away. He really doesn't deserve this shit, no-one can say he doesn't give his all, it isn't his fault he keeps getting picked.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 22, 2012 22:01:30 GMT
Northwich. When did I say on the pitch? Abusing him on here makes them a tosser in my book. For a player who's struggled in front of goal but still gave everything for Stoke should not be abused and called pathetic names, unlike themselves.
Bloody stupid.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 22, 2012 22:12:03 GMT
He is toss.
I can find us a hundred blokes who will around alot and give 100% for this club, but that doesn't mean they deserve to rob this football club of the best part of a million quid a year.
He is rapidly turning into an embarrassment
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 22, 2012 23:04:20 GMT
Walters deserves criticism for his performances this season.
However, you can't just pile on the bandwagon and write him off altogether.
His performances this season aren't entirely down to himself. His entire role in the team is based around him being a team player. He's not a Fuller who creates chances out of nothing. He is a man who gets on the end of whatever the target man manages to do with the ball and brings other players into play, as well as all the obvious and vital work he does when the opposition have the ball. This season, he's had Crouch struggling to fit in for the most part and winning less in the air than Kenwyne did at the tail end of last season, reducing the amount of times he gets possession. He has Etherington double-marked and hiding, effectively eliminating one possible option and reducing the amount of space he has to operate in. To his right, he has a triple marked Pennant or a Ryan Shotton. A lack of support from our midfield means he has the opposition midfield to content with as well. The distribution from the full-backs, meanwhile, has been completely sub-par, which has also had a knock on effect, because that's reduced the amount of service that Crouch has got, which has in turn reduced the amount of the ball that Walters has seen, which has in turn made him look rubbish because of the other factors I've just mentioned.
Take one example from the Newcastle game. For the first time in months and months, we actually exploited one of Crouch's strengths in open play and played a long, angled ball to him to the left of the D. He dragged away one defender, allowing Walters to make a run across him. Crouch nodded the ball in just the right spot for Walters' perfectly timed run and the confident Walters we saw at the end of last season probably would have buried the chance, instead of smacking it into the atmosphere. Crouch did that all the time for Tottenham, but we haven't given him the opportunity to do so since the home game against Manchester United earlier in the season. His confidence has rapidly gone down the toilet to the extent that his finishing is now woeful and the simple parts of his game are suffering.
Rather than absolutely slating him, I'd point out that the performances of the ultimate team player actually reflect the dysfunctional nature of large parts of our team.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Apr 23, 2012 0:01:54 GMT
Call me whatever, maybe I did go too far in my post yesterday.
No matter what the other circumstances are, the open goal miss against Wolves, the free header at the back post from 3 yards in the same game, and the free header at the back post from a similar distance against Swansea are inexcusable. You would demand any professional footballer to put away those chances, let alone a Premier League striker commanding a significant wage.
You can cut him some slack for the very little that is created by the team as a whole, but when he does get the chances, he hasn't put them away all season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 23, 2012 0:51:14 GMT
Walters deserves criticism for his performances this season. However, you can't just pile on the bandwagon and write him off altogether. His performances this season aren't entirely down to himself. His entire role in the team is based around him being a team player. He's not a Fuller who creates chances out of nothing. He is a man who gets on the end of whatever the target man manages to do with the ball and brings other players into play, as well as all the obvious and vital work he does when the opposition have the ball. This season, he's had Crouch struggling to fit in for the most part and winning less in the air than Kenwyne did at the tail end of last season, reducing the amount of times he gets possession. He has Etherington double-marked and hiding, effectively eliminating one possible option and reducing the amount of space he has to operate in. To his right, he has a triple marked Pennant or a Ryan Shotton. A lack of support from our midfield means he has the opposition midfield to content with as well. The distribution from the full-backs, meanwhile, has been completely sub-par, which has also had a knock on effect, because that's reduced the amount of service that Crouch has got, which has in turn reduced the amount of the ball that Walters has seen, which has in turn made him look rubbish because of the other factors I've just mentioned. Take one example from the Newcastle game. For the first time in months and months, we actually exploited one of Crouch's strengths in open play and played a long, angled ball to him to the left of the D. He dragged away one defender, allowing Walters to make a run across him. Crouch nodded the ball in just the right spot for Walters' perfectly timed run and the confident Walters we saw at the end of last season probably would have buried the chance, instead of smacking it into the atmosphere. Crouch did that all the time for Tottenham, but we haven't given him the opportunity to do so since the home game against Manchester United earlier in the season. His confidence has rapidly gone down the toilet to the extent that his finishing is now woeful and the simple parts of his game are suffering. Rather than absolutely slating him, I'd point out that the performances of the ultimate team player actually reflect the dysfunctional nature of large parts of our team. Great post MD and an excellent final sentence.
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