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Post by AlliG on Apr 20, 2012 19:41:28 GMT
Oh dear. Someone let his agenda out?  Huth played 44 games in 3 seasons at Middlesbro', which rather suggests that either he was suspended rather a lot or that he missed a lot of games due to injury. Who cares how many games for 'boro, we're talking about his time at Stoke.  It really isn't that difficult to understand. TP said that Huth arrived with a history of injury problems, the OP called him a liar. I just pointed out that 44 games in 3 seasons was probably a reasonable indicator that Huth did have injury problems before he arrived. Is that simple enough for you? |
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Post by Pricey on Apr 20, 2012 20:04:21 GMT
Those oddities do include a casual and very open disregard for the opinions of supporters though don't they, however we play? "The only people I answer to are the Coates family." He at least needs to make us think he respects our opinion because without us there'd be no Stoke City FC. Like I say though, this kind of rhetoric is part of what makes him successful as a manager. I'd like him as a man more if we played decent football because that would mean his entire personality was different. The two aren't mutually exclusive. But then we might not even be in the Premier League. You might have a point. He's a defensive manager and can come across as a defensive character. It's not my favourite of traits. Liking him or not is one thing... some people seem to think he is the devil though. I'm fairly(??) certain he's not and I'm fairly certain a lot of stuff said about him is completely unjust. I may be wrong though! He was fighting an uphill battle from the moment he arrived. Fans chanting, "you're don't know what you doing" at Walsall when he'd been in charge a couple of days attests to that. Then we had the binary season and the fact he came back with Coates and you can see why he might be defensive. I appear to have partially destroyed my own argument here. So to sum up: -Some didn't like him when he arrived. -Some still don't like him. -Some begrudgingly accept he's done a good job but want more. -Some now like him but could probably turn on him if we have another season like this one where the football is pretty turgid. -Some flip-flop between liking and disliking him depending on all sorts of factors. -Some have always liked him and can't understand what any of the fuss is about. Carry on Tony, you're doing a good job.  |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Apr 20, 2012 20:15:45 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 20:18:26 GMT
Those oddities do include a casual and very open disregard for the opinions of supporters though don't they, however we play? It's a good job he does or we would be moaning at him for spunking the best part of 15 million on Zigic and Bullard. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2012 20:19:15 GMT
If you pay any attention to a single word said by managers in 99% of interviews and press conferences, you're a lunatic.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 20, 2012 20:22:31 GMT
If you pay any attention to a single word said by managers in 99% of interviews and press conferences, you're a lunatic. So that's 99% of the posters here  |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Apr 20, 2012 20:25:35 GMT
You could not make it up....Pulis says in the Sentinel, you know what i think about Huth i pick him every week....well what happened at the start of the season when you left him out and him being player of the year and weighing in with nine goals the previous season,then when he did get in he was hung out to dry at right back.....i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross....but not our Tony..he knows best.thats the kind of decision that gets enforced when you surround yourself with yes men...and then he goes on to say,when he joined us he had a dodgy ankle...we took a chance with him and alot of people said not to.....who was that Tony our medical staff!!!!!!!we paid £5 million and we took a chance.....liar and a hypocrite...some of the things he comes out with are just incredible........ Think before you open your mouth..... Mangers are forced to come out with silly stories to protect their players So you think that Pulis didn't know that Huth was one of his best players having played him in that position the whole of the previous season? Use your brain.... Huth was on the verge of departing for Germany and Pulis was hastily bringing in centrebacks to cover Huth was played at full back whilst Pulis tried his new cover at centre back Huth eventually stayed leaving Pulis to placate the players that he's brought in Thats what managers have to do but they hope that the fans are bright enough to see through the stories |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 20, 2012 20:46:09 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded There are some good points here, TP recognises that we need to strengthen our full back situation and the temptation to include both Woodgate and Upson was worth a risk, especially as they were on free transfers. Moving Huth to RB was a mistake in my opinion and fair play to TP he moved him back to play alongside Shawcroos which has settled the defence again. Upson has missed out unfortunately I think he'll move on . I really rate Huth and Shawcross, with 2 good full backs behind them, then maybe they would have a bit more confidence to play a bit more "football "out of defence, instead of panicking because they have concerns about the effectiveness, speed, skill of their fellow defenders. It looks like there will be a range of changes for the coming season - but I really hope that Robert Huth stays with us. |
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Post by kitkatkev on Apr 20, 2012 21:10:14 GMT
Huth was injures at start of season he was eased back into side
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Apr 20, 2012 21:13:37 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded Yep, top response, wish i'd written that! |
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 20, 2012 21:20:14 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded +1 Absolutely Bob on |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 20, 2012 21:23:13 GMT
Pulis tells the truth that few managers will regarding the views of supporters and it crops up, as a stick to beat him with, on a thread about him being a liar.
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Post by mark71 on Apr 20, 2012 21:25:25 GMT
You could not make it up....Pulis says in the Sentinel, you know what i think about Huth i pick him every week....well what happened at the start of the season when you left him out and him being player of the year and weighing in with nine goals the previous season,then when he did get in he was hung out to dry at right back.....i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross....but not our Tony..he knows best.thats the kind of decision that gets enforced when you surround yourself with yes men...and then he goes on to say,when he joined us he had a dodgy ankle...we took a chance with him and alot of people said not to.....who was that Tony our medical staff!!!!!!!we paid £5 million and we took a chance.....liar and a hypocrite...some of the things he comes out with are just incredible........ I Do get bored at times with this forum. Yes, we don't play like Barcelona, real Madrid or Milan but we are in the premier league and signing players for millions of pounds , something I could have only dreampt of several years ago. TP probably won't be representing the UN but he's achieved something that our past 10/15 managers couldnt . long live the king. He's also had the financial backing no other Stoke manager has had. If macari was able to have a fraction the money Pulis has had we would of been in the prem years ago. More to the point if players hadn't of been sold without Macari's knowledge we would of got promoted. |
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 20, 2012 22:01:52 GMT
when was the last time Huth was dropped / played at right back? Get over it
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Post by ColonelMustard on Apr 20, 2012 22:04:32 GMT
I Do get bored at times with this forum. Yes, we don't play like Barcelona, real Madrid or Milan but we are in the premier league and signing players for millions of pounds , something I could have only dreampt of several years ago. TP probably won't be representing the UN but he's achieved something that our past 10/15 managers couldnt . long live the king. He's also had the financial backing no other Stoke manager has had. If macari was able to have a fraction the money Pulis has had we would of been in the prem years ago. More to the point if players hadn't of been sold without Macari's knowledge we would of got promoted. Does macari's record, at all his clubs, really suggest this? With regard to Pulis scheivements and money, he spent less than most below him for quite a few seasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 22:07:14 GMT
Interesting that it's sensible to look for new defensive combinations but Walters remains absolutely unmoveable.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Apr 20, 2012 22:10:52 GMT
Macari might of won promotion and might of done better in the premier league with the same money, other managers might of done even better, but the reality is they didnt and Pulis has got us here. Is it so hard to accept?
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Post by french toast on Apr 20, 2012 22:13:37 GMT
Great post bowerboy. Pulis thinks everyone is forgetful on here apart from the rimmers who see no wrong. The only bloke in the world who would break up the two best centre back pairing outside the top four would be Pulis and we all simply ask Why??? Thats the best quote though 'we took a gamble on him because of a dodgy ankle......!!! Is this bloke actually saying this in public after the Ba DISASTER!!! The biggest liar hypocrite in the world. and still a better man than you ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 20, 2012 22:16:17 GMT
I Do get bored at times with this forum. Yes, we don't play like Barcelona, real Madrid or Milan but we are in the premier league and signing players for millions of pounds , something I could have only dreampt of several years ago. TP probably won't be representing the UN but he's achieved something that our past 10/15 managers couldnt . long live the king. He's also had the financial backing no other Stoke manager has had. If macari was able to have a fraction the money Pulis has had we would of been in the prem years ago. More to the point if players hadn't of been sold without Macari's knowledge we would of got promoted. Macari would have dropped us the minute a big club came calling. Actually he did!!!!! Lets not kid ourselves that Lou saw us as anything but a stepping stone. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 20, 2012 22:16:28 GMT
I'd like to revise my earlier statement.
Anybody who scours through the manager's interviews, press conferences etc looking for reasons to scream and shout about why they don't like him is not a lunatic, but is actually incredibly desperate to justify their own stance. I mean really, who takes these things seriously? Soundbites, platitudes and absolutely nothing remotely of interest - it's the same no matter who the manager is and what club you're at.
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Post by french toast on Apr 20, 2012 22:17:23 GMT
I Do get bored at times with this forum. Yes, we don't play like Barcelona, real Madrid or Milan but we are in the premier league and signing players for millions of pounds , something I could have only dreampt of several years ago. TP probably won't be representing the UN but he's achieved something that our past 10/15 managers couldnt . long live the king. He's also had the financial backing no other Stoke manager has had. If macari was able to have a fraction the money Pulis has had we would of been in the prem years ago. More to the point if players hadn't of been sold without Macari's knowledge we would of got promoted. im a big fan of macari, him and pulis are/were very similar in the way they see the game........macari is a bargain hunter also just like pulis. sometimes when looking back people tend to see the things they want to see........they throw the negatives to the back of there mind....i think this is ehat youre doing here |
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Post by kylelightbourne on Apr 20, 2012 22:20:16 GMT
Great post bowerboy. Pulis thinks everyone is forgetful on here apart from the rimmers who see no wrong. The only bloke in the world who would break up the two best centre back pairing outside the top four would be Pulis and we all simply ask Why??? Thats the best quote though 'we took a gamble on him because of a dodgy ankle......!!! Is this bloke actually saying this in public after the Ba DISASTER!!! The biggest liar hypocrite in the world. "Biggest liar and hypocrite in the world" :') priceless You are clearly a fair and reasonable man with no agenda whatsoever aren't you! |
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Post by whereami on Apr 20, 2012 23:04:53 GMT
i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross Sadly I dont agree - when Pulis wasnt Huths biggest fan, weren't there people on here who suddenly saw him as a liability who deserved to be dropped? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 20, 2012 23:12:47 GMT
You could not make it up....Pulis says in the Sentinel, you know what i think about Huth i pick him every week....well what happened at the start of the season when you left him out and him being player of the year and weighing in with nine goals the previous season,then when he did get in he was hung out to dry at right back.....i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross....but not our Tony..he knows best.thats the kind of decision that gets enforced when you surround yourself with yes men...and then he goes on to say,when he joined us he had a dodgy ankle...we took a chance with him and alot of people said not to.....who was that Tony our medical staff!!!!!!!we paid £5 million and we took a chance.....liar and a hypocrite...some of the things he comes out with are just incredible........ Think before you open your mouth..... Mangers are forced to come out with silly stories to protect their players So you think that Pulis didn't know that Huth was one of his best players having played him in that position the whole of the previous season? Use your brain.... Huth was on the verge of departing for Germany and Pulis was hastily bringing in centrebacks to cover Huth was played at full back whilst Pulis tried his new cover at centre back Huth eventually stayed leaving Pulis to placate the players that he's brought in Thats what managers have to do but they hope that the fans are bright enough to see through the stories With respect mate that is complete and utter speculation on your part. |
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Apr 20, 2012 23:13:08 GMT
You could not make it up....Pulis says in the Sentinel, you know what i think about Huth i pick him every week....well what happened at the start of the season when you left him out and him being player of the year and weighing in with nine goals the previous season,then when he did get in he was hung out to dry at right back.....i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross....but not our Tony..he knows best.thats the kind of decision that gets enforced when you surround yourself with yes men...and then he goes on to say,when he joined us he had a dodgy ankle...we took a chance with him and alot of people said not to.....who was that Tony our medical staff!!!!!!!we paid £5 million and we took a chance.....liar and a hypocrite...some of the things he comes out with are just incredible........ At the start of the season, Huth looked set to leave so we brought in Woodgate and Upson. After the deadline had been and gone then Huth got back in the squad. He still hasn't signed a new contract. Upson was brought in as a replacement as Huth made it clear he wanted away but we didn't have an acceptable offer from the two German suitors. 7 months later he still hasn't put pen to paper. Pulis probably did the right thing in trying to blend a new centre half pairing minus Huth. Surely you can see that as he has yet to commit to us? |
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Apr 20, 2012 23:16:46 GMT
He's also had the financial backing no other Stoke manager has had. If macari was able to have a fraction the money Pulis has had we would of been in the prem years ago. More to the point if players hadn't of been sold without Macari's knowledge we would of got promoted. Macari would have dropped us the minute a big club came calling. Actually he did!!!!! Lets not kid ourselves that Lou saw us as anything but a stepping stone. Absolutely He didn't give a toss about Stoke as his book showed He wanted to sell Stein to the Geordies for 600k as he got a cut of transfer fees |
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Post by bettyswallox on Apr 20, 2012 23:22:15 GMT
Huth has started all but two games for us in the League this season (not including his suspension). So TP pretty much does always play him, just not neccesarily always in the right position.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 20, 2012 23:24:45 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded I've seen this suggested a few times but it doesn't add up to me. The suggestion that it was done to try and improve our ability to play football out of defence is completely blown out of the water by the fact that in order for it to happen, Huth would have to play at right back. How do you become a better footballing side from the back by playing Huth at full back? When we signed Woodgate there wasn't ANY suggestion on here that we needed to become a better footballing side from the back, rather the signing of Woody was hailed as a no brainer because he would act as cover for our centre back positions - nobody believed that Tone would split up the Ryan and Huth partnership at the time - anybody who'd have suggested it would have been laughed off the message board. Furthermore, at the time nobody knew if Woody was even going to be fit enough to make the bench more than occasionally, so I don't believe for a minute that Tone signed him as the 'solution' to our inability to play football from the back. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 20, 2012 23:26:46 GMT
You could not make it up....Pulis says in the Sentinel, you know what i think about Huth i pick him every week....well what happened at the start of the season when you left him out and him being player of the year and weighing in with nine goals the previous season,then when he did get in he was hung out to dry at right back.....i dare bet there isn,t a supporter on here who would have split up Huth and Shawcross....but not our Tony..he knows best.thats the kind of decision that gets enforced when you surround yourself with yes men...and then he goes on to say,when he joined us he had a dodgy ankle...we took a chance with him and alot of people said not to.....who was that Tony our medical staff!!!!!!!we paid £5 million and we took a chance.....liar and a hypocrite...some of the things he comes out with are just incredible........ At the start of the season, Huth looked set to leave so we brought in Woodgate and Upson. After the deadline had been and gone then Huth got back in the squad. He still hasn't signed a new contract. Upson was brought in as a replacement as Huth made it clear he wanted away but we didn't have an acceptable offer from the two German suitors. 7 months later he still hasn't put pen to paper. Pulis probably did the right thing in trying to blend a new centre half pairing minus Huth. Surely you can see that as he has yet to commit to us? More total speculation. |
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Post by ichabodcheesecake on Apr 20, 2012 23:28:23 GMT
Come on you unbelievers. If you had Upson, just back from England Duty, Woodgate who if fit and in form was probably one of the finest central defenders in England, why not try out different combinations. We know Shawcross and Huth's distribution is abysmal. The smart thing was to try out different combinations to try and improve "Hoof Ball". He could not persist and we ended up with Huth & Shawcross from a pure defensive point of view but as for playing football forget it. I understand Pulis's reasoning. You maon at Hoof Ball and when he tries to chnage things you are on his back. Do you know what you know anything about football and how the changes have to take place? Unfortunately you have never played football and really don't deserve to speak in the same language. Trust me I know how this unfolded I've seen this suggested a few times but it doesn't add up to me. The suggestion that it was done to try and improve our ability to play football out of defence is completely blown out of the water by the fact that in order for it to happen, Huth would have to play at right back. How do you become a better footballing side from the back by playing Huth at full back? When we signed Woodgate there wasn't ANY suggestion on here that we needed to become a better footballing side from the back, rather the signing of Woody was hailed as a no brainer because he would act as cover for our centre back positions - nobody believed that Tone would split up the Ryan and Huth partnership at the time - anybody who'd have suggested it would have been laughed off the message board. Furthermore, at the time nobody knew if Woody was even going to be fit enough to make the bench more than occasionally, so I don't believe for a minute that Tone signed him as the 'solution' to our inability to play football from the back. I agree Paul.........I think Woodgate was brought in for one major purpose and that was Europe and cover for our centre halves who I suspected were to be to Shawcross and Upson IF Huth was to leave as was widely speculated. |
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