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Post by foster on Apr 12, 2012 13:23:32 GMT
+1. Even if he broke down now, it would still have been worth it (for free or a couple of million for nearly 2 years). Yes but that offer was never on the table for us. The only reason we were ever in the driving seat on the Ba deal was the £10m that we could afford and Wham couldn't. Once the price dropped Wham (who were always Ba's prefered option) could afford to come in for him. Sorry mate, I don't have a clue what you're on about. Wham split up years ago!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2012 13:27:36 GMT
Totally avoided the question. Why agree the fee in the first place when presumably they knew beforehand about his knee? They're either stupid or don't do basic background research. sorry bayern, wasn`t avoiding the question. i don`t know why they offered so much..maybe the promise of having a real talent and goalscorer on our hands was the reason but thats what medicals are for, nothing is really agreed until the medicals etc are complete and lets face it, you cant always trust other sources and perhaps atoke thought a 2nd opinion would show that the knee wasn`t as bad as others suggested? It just seems odd to me given what has gone on before. And for sure You have to check him out Yourself especially when You know he's failed a medical before. But that's why I don't get why You would agree a fee without knowing the full extent. It all just seems odd to me. Even after with Kempy proclaiming he wouldn't be able to play for months after he signed. We all know what happened! I just hope we've learned lessons from it!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2012 13:28:18 GMT
Stupid then! Me or Stoke City? Or both? In all cases you might be right. ;D In this case Stoke!
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 12, 2012 13:28:29 GMT
Yes but that offer was never on the table for us. The only reason we were ever in the driving seat on the Ba deal was the £10m that we could afford and Wham couldn't. Once the price dropped Wham (who were always Ba's prefered option) could afford to come in for him. Sorry mate, I don't have a clue what you're on about. Wham split up years ago! Not true. That's just a careless whisper.
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Post by foster on Apr 12, 2012 13:31:16 GMT
Sorry mate, I don't have a clue what you're on about. Wham split up years ago! Not true. That's just a careless whisper. No, at the latest it was last Christmas.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 12, 2012 13:32:33 GMT
I was once told by a physio that has worked for Stoke that if TP wants a player, it wouldn't matter if he'd only got one leg, we'd still sign him. Fuller is the more obvious example but there are others. Palacios being the latest. I guess there is a bit more to this than will ever come out.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 12, 2012 13:32:52 GMT
Yes but that offer was never on the table for us. The only reason we were ever in the driving seat on the Ba deal was the £10m that we could afford and Wham couldn't. Once the price dropped Wham (who were always Ba's prefered option) could afford to come in for him. Sorry mate, I don't have a clue what you're on about. Wham split up years ago! ;D Your crackin' me up daily Foster....brilliant mate
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 12, 2012 13:33:47 GMT
Not true. That's just a careless whisper. No, at the latest it was last Christmas. Well if you want any more Wham related hilarity I'm your man.
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Post by foster on Apr 12, 2012 13:35:13 GMT
No, at the latest it was last Christmas. Well if you want any more Wham related hilarity I'm your man. Nah that's all right mate, don't bother to wake me up before you go go.
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Post by boothenender7 on Apr 12, 2012 13:35:53 GMT
sorry bayern, wasn`t avoiding the question. i don`t know why they offered so much..maybe the promise of having a real talent and goalscorer on our hands was the reason but thats what medicals are for, nothing is really agreed until the medicals etc are complete and lets face it, you cant always trust other sources and perhaps atoke thought a 2nd opinion would show that the knee wasn`t as bad as others suggested? It just seems odd to me given what has gone on before. And for sure You have to check him out Yourself especially when You know he's failed a medical before. But that's why I don't get why You would agree a fee without knowing the full extent. It all just seems odd to me. Even after with Kempy proclaiming he wouldn't be able to play for months after he signed. We all know what happened! I just hope we've learned lessons from it! where footballers and contract deals are concerned there will always be pitfalls and regrets but hopefully we have learned from it..although im not sure what the biggest lesson learned is when i hear some on here say that he`d have been worth losing millions in a transfer fee and wages plus the medical fee implications had he ended up a cripple-which he has`nt yet-but a man who knows more than us said is highly realistic!!! can we afford to risk the future of our club on a gamble that people in the know say is worth the risk....but im just a mere supporter
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2012 13:44:27 GMT
It just seems odd to me given what has gone on before. And for sure You have to check him out Yourself especially when You know he's failed a medical before. But that's why I don't get why You would agree a fee without knowing the full extent. It all just seems odd to me. Even after with Kempy proclaiming he wouldn't be able to play for months after he signed. We all know what happened! I just hope we've learned lessons from it! where footballers and contract deals are concerned there will always be pitfalls and regrets but hopefully we have learned from it..although im not sure what the biggest lesson learned is when i hear some on here say that he`d have been worth losing millions in a transfer fee and wages plus the medical fee implications had he ended up a cripple-which he has`nt yet-but a man who knows more than us said is highly realistic!!! can we afford to risk the future of our club on a gamble that people in the know say is worth the risk....but im just a mere supporter For what it's worth I don't think he was worth the risk for the fee we had agreed. But if we had done a deal like West Ham, I don't see how we could have wrong. And regarding his injury as someone above has said, we seem to have taken a similar gamble with Palacios but his knee isn't as bad from what they've said anyway! I've never understood the way we do transfers though, this is just another mystery! ;D
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Post by boothenender7 on Apr 12, 2012 13:48:39 GMT
where footballers and contract deals are concerned there will always be pitfalls and regrets but hopefully we have learned from it..although im not sure what the biggest lesson learned is when i hear some on here say that he`d have been worth losing millions in a transfer fee and wages plus the medical fee implications had he ended up a cripple-which he has`nt yet-but a man who knows more than us said is highly realistic!!! can we afford to risk the future of our club on a gamble that people in the know say is worth the risk....but im just a mere supporter For what it's worth I don't think he was worth the risk for the fee we had agreed. But if we had done a deal like West Ham, I don't see how we could have wrong. And regarding his injury as someone above has said, we seem to have taken a similar gamble with Palacios but his knee isn't as bad from what they've said anyway! I've never understood the way we do transfers though, this is just another mystery! ;D agreed bayern. we were rightly cautious over ba, but have been less than clever in the past...ie dadasson!!! i get a headache just trying to understand how our transfer policy works sometimes mate.
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Post by Robo10 on Apr 12, 2012 13:49:35 GMT
He would have cost us a fortune if we had signined him on a nice long contract and he had broken down the next week.
Lets face it, its not like the Brit is like the Club Tropicana where drinks are free
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 12, 2012 13:57:29 GMT
Even here we are considered a "set piece2 he as we even tried A Different Corner.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 12, 2012 14:16:29 GMT
Even Ba himself has claimed that his knee is fine, must be one of the "bad boys" to say that if it isn't true, and I bet at the end of his contract he will want his "freedom" too
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Post by lazthemag on Apr 12, 2012 15:17:14 GMT
Well if you want any more Wham related hilarity I'm your man. Nah that's all right mate, don't bother to wake me up before you go go. As someone said, you can't change what's in the past, forget Ba. At this time in the season, now that you're safe, take a look at some of your academy kids and let your Young Guns (go for it!).
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Post by yogibear78 on Apr 12, 2012 15:26:00 GMT
Nah that's all right mate, don't bother to wake me up before you go go. As someone said, you can't change what's in the past, forget Ba. At this time in the season, now that you're safe, take a look at some of your academy kids and let your Young Guns (go for it!). Joking arnt you, we sell them as soon as the wetness behind the ears has dried up
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Apr 12, 2012 15:31:23 GMT
The rumours doing the rounds when he failed the medical were that he has the equivalent of a 9" nail (pin) in his leg from a break in Belgium years ago, and that could cause arthritic problems in and around his knee in the future.
One of the main uses for this type of treatment is for rheumatic problems. Of course it could be for other problems as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 15:35:53 GMT
Would he have got in our team anyway.
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Post by lazthemag on Apr 12, 2012 15:40:21 GMT
The rumours doing the rounds when he failed the medical were that he has the equivalent of a 9" nail (pin) in his leg from a break in Belgium years ago, and that could cause arthritic problems in and around his knee in the future. One of the main uses for this type of treatment is for rheumatic problems. Of course it could be for other problems as well. His movement around the pitch certainly looks more laboured when compared to the new lad Papiss that we have just bought. However, you just need to look at how we dragged an extra few seasons out of Big Al to see that pace and movement is not everything in a striker. DB can certainly score goals. The main issue was the risk and the cost - for NUFC the balance was obviously right. Does he have a higher chance than others of getting crocked? Probably, but with 16 goals in the onion bag it's not been too bad a gamble. The real question to ask is what our teams scouts are doing about finding the next gem / bargain etc. Neither club is in a position to be shelling out money so finding another Cisse for circa £5-9m should be the priority for anyone looking for a goal scorer. Rather than looking at how you could have had a risky Demba Ba for next to nowt! Lazthemag
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2012 16:43:15 GMT
The rumours doing the rounds when he failed the medical were that he has the equivalent of a 9" nail (pin) in his leg from a break in Belgium years ago, and that could cause arthritic problems in and around his knee in the future. One of the main uses for this type of treatment is for rheumatic problems. Of course it could be for other problems as well. His movement around the pitch certainly looks more laboured when compared to the new lad Papiss that we have just bought. However, you just need to look at how we dragged an extra few seasons out of Big Al to see that pace and movement is not everything in a striker. DB can certainly score goals. The main issue was the risk and the cost - for NUFC the balance was obviously right. Does he have a higher chance than others of getting crocked? Probably, but with 16 goals in the onion bag it's not been too bad a gamble. The real question to ask is what our teams scouts are doing about finding the next gem / bargain etc. Neither club is in a position to be shelling out money so finding another Cisse for circa £5-9m should be the priority for anyone looking for a goal scorer. Rather than looking at how you could have had a risky Demba Ba for next to nowt! Lazthemag Do you think Ashley will flog anyone in the summer Laz? Tiote maybe?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 12, 2012 17:06:45 GMT
This cryogenic chamber thing sounds about as effective as homeopathy to me.
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Post by yogibear78 on Apr 12, 2012 17:11:47 GMT
I wish my knees were as bad as Ba's
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Post by march4 on Apr 12, 2012 18:31:27 GMT
I wish my knees were as bad as Ba's See if you can get them insured
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Post by mjb on Apr 12, 2012 18:46:41 GMT
he's got a great name for singing songs.
we might of been able to of actually come up with a decent song of our own!
this is the real travesty.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Apr 12, 2012 18:50:43 GMT
he's got a great name for singing songs. we might of been able to of actually come up with a decent song of our own! this is the real travesty. If you want to sing, form a band or go to a gig, this is football, not a dance
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Post by mjb on Apr 12, 2012 18:55:50 GMT
I'm just waiting for 'Live in the city' to get some noise at the Brit!
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Post by stokeyouth on Apr 12, 2012 19:11:42 GMT
He's not scored since Feb. 5th against Villa, seems like his bubble's burst to me. Crouch is 1 goal behind him now. However Ba was a) cheapers b) on less wages c) younger At least Ba has some sell on value. (This aint Crouchy bashing by the way, he's awesome)
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Apr 12, 2012 19:15:10 GMT
He's not scored since Feb. 5th against Villa, seems like his bubble's burst to me. Crouch is 1 goal behind him now. However Ba was a) cheapers b) on less wages c) younger At least Ba has some sell on value. (This aint Crouchy bashing by the way, he's awesome) Sell on value? With a fucked knee? Where and who to?
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Post by burge2u on Apr 12, 2012 19:39:07 GMT
Crouch is a much better acquisition and that seems to be acknowledged elsewhere, because there aren't many Newcastle fans singing ' Ba for England !' ........ proof indeed, if proof was needed. ;D
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