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Post by PotterLog on Apr 8, 2012 21:30:15 GMT
If Carroll got anywhere near the squad after the season he's had it would be bordering on surreal.
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Post by Lightwood on Apr 8, 2012 21:33:03 GMT
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Post by onionman on Apr 8, 2012 21:47:32 GMT
Ah, but how would he cope if he doesn't Walters alongside him and the cage behind him?
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 8, 2012 22:02:43 GMT
I'll be honest, when he wasn't at Stoke, I wouldn't have had him in the England squad. 2 years ago, when he and Heskey were the two choices for target man, I didn't think he should have been in the squad. I thought that Kevin Davies was the best target man in the country, as he was, and should have been straight into the squad. It was Crouch's performances for England that partly made me doubt how well he would suit us at Stoke.
However, that was two years ago. Kevin Davies is not the player he once was. He will go down as the biggest waste of talent by the national team for decades. The best English centre-forward since Alan Shearer given 1 cap, at the age of 30something. Grant Holt is a crap version of Kevin Davies who falls over a lot. Walcott, Welbeck and Sturridge (Walcott being the worst, Sturridge being the best) are three similar sorts of player and would need a foil. Rooney won't even be available for the first 3 (or is it 2?) games, and I wouldn't even have him in the squad. There are no other English target men. Plus, I think Crouch's link up play is intelligent enough for him to have a role in an international team. As strange as this will sound, his lack of real physicality has bothered me a bit at Stoke. He's not the sort of target man who's as strong as an ox and puts himself about. He won't need to be that sort of play at international level, he'll just need to bring other players into the game with good link up play and to chip in with goals. Well, the one thing you can definitely say in his favour is that he's scored a phenomenal amount of goals for us despite us creating almost nothing. You can argue about his role in the team and so on, but you simply cannot knock the number of goals that he has scored for us. I could definitely see a place for him in the national team somewhere.
I don't think it's as obvious an inclusion as some others are suggesting, but as a Stoke supporter I'd love to see him go and be as proud as hell to see one of our players representing the national team. It really would be a fine moment in our history, another milestone along the path of our progress as a football club.
It might also be quite instructive to see what would happen in a system where Crouch led the line and was surrounded by players with pace!
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Apr 8, 2012 22:25:56 GMT
If he wasn't at Stoke he'd already be packing his bags for the Euros.
The reason why England will never win a major tournament is that the press picks the squad based on reputation of the more "fashionable" clubs. Sad but true.
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Post by Mr Jon on Apr 9, 2012 9:22:52 GMT
If he wasn't at Stoke he'd already be packing his bags for the Euros. The reason why England will never win a major tournament is that the press picks the squad based on reputation of the more "fashionable" clubs. Sad but true. THIS!!
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Post by french toast on Apr 9, 2012 9:31:40 GMT
its him or heskey........
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 9, 2012 10:46:47 GMT
no-ones mentioned Zamora who is the most likely to take the place of targetman. He was banging them in for Fulham but hasnt quite managed it for QPR yet.
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Post by unknown182 on Apr 9, 2012 10:52:23 GMT
they always bring up the same boring argument . "well he's only scored against lesser teams". im sorry but what great teams has defoe, bent, carrol, zamora, heskey, sturridge or even rooney scored against?
id take owen before bent and carrol and thats saying somthing
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 9, 2012 10:55:17 GMT
Woolnough has taken the trouble to write a two page spread in the Star this morning about how Crouch should not go.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Wollnough seems to harbour a deep dislike of Crouch.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 9, 2012 11:21:41 GMT
Woolnough has taken the trouble to write a two page spread in the Star this morning about how Crouch should not go. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Wollnough seems to harbour a deep dislike of Crouch. Sports writers like Woolnough are generally pointless nobodies who don't deserve their pedestal anyway.
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Post by foster on Apr 9, 2012 15:21:04 GMT
If he wasn't at Stoke he'd already be packing his bags for the Euros. The reason why England will never win a major tournament is that the press picks the squad based on reputation of the more "fashionable" clubs. Sad but true. THIS!! I put it down to weak willed managers more than anything else.
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