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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 11:52:08 GMT
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 12:27:09 GMT
I reckon that in tough ecomonic times it gives the population something to get behind rather that thinking about how shit the government is.
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Post by jonah77 on Apr 2, 2012 12:27:51 GMT
the yanks owe us big time for iraq and afghanistan,so i reckon they'll be onside.
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Post by mermaidsal on Apr 2, 2012 12:44:06 GMT
The Tories must be dying of their internal conflicts.... asset strip the Falklands for the oil dosh or have a war to get votes from Daily Mail readers who'd vote for them anyway....  ;D |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 2, 2012 12:46:27 GMT
Didn't the Yanks say a few months ago that we should negotiate with Argentina over this? I think they've already stuck their nose in the cheeky gits. From June lasyt yearHowever I think their stance has changed now and they are more or less on side with us. |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 13:50:06 GMT
I think the argies want the conflict more due to their economics
only this time they are trying through involving other south american countries, which in turn could persuade america to shoulder up to them for economy reasons. Could be far more successful than an all out invasion.
Seems we are trying to ignore it in the hope their rhetoric will die down.
cant see us wanting a war, as we have no navy capable this time (aircraft carrier wise)
no aircraft no war
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Post by alcommunicado on Apr 2, 2012 13:56:54 GMT
There was a good debate on Radio 5 this morning on this subject. The history was very interesting with both Britain and France having bases on the islands in the mid 1700s unbeknown to each other ;D
The British, French, Spanish and Dutch have all been involved in the action.
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 2, 2012 13:59:17 GMT
I reckon that in tough ecomonic times it gives the population something to get behind rather that thinking about how shit the government is. Surely the Great British public wouldn't be stupid enough to let them get away with it twice?  |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 14:16:27 GMT
I reckon that in tough ecomonic times it gives the population something to get behind rather that thinking about how shit the government is. Surely the Great British public wouldn't be stupid enough to let them get away with it twice? We couldn't afford a war then luckily we had not yet sold our aircraft carrier to the australians in 82 we can afford it even less now surely the last war was more to do with pacifying the restless argentinian population after all they were the aggressors knowing we were a military nation in decline at the time. Should we have just let them? my answer then and now is ....no |
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 2, 2012 15:43:47 GMT
Both Galtieri and Thatcher had their own political reasons for wanting a bit of a skirmish last time round. There's no doubt that the Argies were the aggressors, and I would agree that we had / have a duty to look after British citizens no matter how few of them and how remotely they're located. However, we knew they were likely to try it if we left the door open and pretended we weren't looking, so to speak. Galtieri walked right into Thatcher's trap.
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 16:04:57 GMT
by 1980's we were starting to become a laughing stock throughout the world as a super power losing colonies around the world our navy was being stripped to the bare bones to save money on the orders of margaret thatcher  much to the anger of the admiralty she'd agreed to sell (lease out) one of our two aircraft carriers to australia when the argies invaded and she had to be strongly convinced to temporarily put it on hold and send out a task force.... she was, at the beginning against sending a force i can see the skeptical side but, for me it was more about telling the world we will not be pushed about anymore....enough is enough....pea cocking ;D |
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Post by seasidestokie on Apr 2, 2012 16:09:22 GMT
The Tories must be dying of their internal conflicts.... asset strip the Falklands for the oil dosh or have a war to get votes from Daily Mail readers who'd vote for them anyway.... ;D Daily mail readers who vote Tory don't need a war if they already vote Tory. ... was there asset stripping in the Falklands war. |
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 16:18:55 GMT
Both Galtieri and Thatcher had their own political reasons for wanting a bit of a skirmish last time round. There's no doubt that the Argies were the aggressors, and I would agree that we had / have a duty to look after British citizens no matter how few of them and how remotely they're located. However, we knew they were likely to try it if we left the door open and pretended we weren't looking, so to speak. Galtieri walked right into Thatcher's trap. Bingo  |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 16:22:37 GMT
Both Galtieri and Thatcher had their own political reasons for wanting a bit of a skirmish last time round. There's no doubt that the Argies were the aggressors, and I would agree that we had / have a duty to look after British citizens no matter how few of them and how remotely they're located. However, we knew they were likely to try it if we left the door open and pretended we weren't looking, so to speak. Galtieri walked right into Thatcher's trap. Bingo that would be a ridiculous gamble |
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 16:25:07 GMT
Bingo that would be a ridiculous gamble I will send you a PM |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 16:35:37 GMT
that would be a ridiculous pm |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 16:37:03 GMT
ARRRRRE YOU STARKILLERRRRRR IN DISGUISE..... ;D
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 2, 2012 16:41:53 GMT
It could well have been our international reputation that was her principal motivation, although her domestic political standing was bound to be inextricably linked to that.
It's probably a little too fanciful to imagine that Thatcher planned the conflict months in advance, but I believe it was a bit of astute political opportunism that took advantage of the situation presenting itself in Argentina.
The point is that it could've easily been avoided, and several hundreds of lives not wasted. Same could probably be said of most wars though ...
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 16:46:21 GMT
Strange how we moved our only Ship away from the region just before the invasion ?
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 16:48:42 GMT
I know there's a lot of skullduggery in politics around the world and i'm open to all theories but i believe that Mrs T had her hand forced rather than planned the whole thing
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Post by Northy on Apr 2, 2012 17:55:26 GMT
Strange how we moved our only Ship away from the region just before the invasion ? the ship I was on at the time in March (before the invasion) was heading east across the north sea to the Baltic, we were stopped and turned around and fueled and armoured up in Rosyth, nobody knew what was happening at the time until the invasion info came out later. |
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 18:09:01 GMT
Strange how we moved our only Ship away from the region just before the invasion ? the ship I was on at the time in March (before the invasion) was heading east across the north sea to the Baltic, we were stopped and turned around and fueled and armoured up in Rosyth, nobody knew what was happening at the time until the invasion info came out later. Are you saying no one on your ship knew or NO ONE knew ? |
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Post by Northy on Apr 2, 2012 18:29:38 GMT
no one on the ship, obviously people in government knew about the stuff going on on South Georgia as HMS Endurance had taken some Marines from Stanley over there.
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Post by alcommunicado on Apr 2, 2012 18:34:15 GMT
no one on the ship, obviously people in government knew about the stuff going on on South Georgia as HMS Endurance had taken some Marines from Stanley over there. Just tell him what he wants to hear  |
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Post by Northy on Apr 2, 2012 18:47:08 GMT
no one on the ship, obviously people in government knew about the stuff going on on South Georgia as HMS Endurance had taken some Marines from Stanley over there. Just tell him what he wants to hear [/quote but then we'd have to kill him |
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Post by alcommunicado on Apr 2, 2012 18:57:04 GMT
no one on the ship, obviously people in government knew about the stuff going on on South Georgia as HMS Endurance had taken some Marines from Stanley over there. Just tell him what he wants to hear [/quote but then we'd have to kill him .......and your problem is? |
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Post by offthewall on Apr 2, 2012 19:03:32 GMT
Just tell him what he wants to hear [/quote but then we'd have to kill him .......and your problem is? Your problem is that I have met you ;D |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 19:15:24 GMT
.......and your problem is? Your problem is that I have met you ;D and i you ;D |
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Post by scfcrmagic on Apr 2, 2012 19:23:31 GMT
Great thread .....as for the Argies...they must be mad ...the Germans had a go twice & look what happened to them .. |
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Post by frasier99 on Apr 2, 2012 19:37:15 GMT
yeah, they have the strongest economy ;D
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;D
