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Post by philm87 on Mar 31, 2012 23:19:59 GMT
Minutes per goal scored in all competitions this season (obviously excluding penos):
Jerome 212
Crouch 231
Jones 245
Fuller 430
Upson 866
Ethers 888
Shotts 952
Walters 965
Rory 1018
Huth 1176
Whelan 1636
Ryan 1854
Deano 2742
Obviously you should never read too much into statistics but to average less than 1 in 10 for a striker...?
I like SJW I really do. His role in the team is very demanding and the other things he brings to the game should not be overlooked but we genuinely need someone who can play in that withdrawn role and is capable of bagging a few more goals and passing the ball better.
Tim Cahill anyone?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 31, 2012 23:21:03 GMT
Gary Cahill is probably better than a lot of them!
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Post by padders01 on Mar 31, 2012 23:24:39 GMT
Would love Tim Cahill here, probably only got 12/24 months in him at this level, BUT, he would never come here
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Post by philm87 on Mar 31, 2012 23:27:19 GMT
Would love Tim Cahill here, probably I my got 12/24 months in him at this level, BUT, he would never come here Yeah that is the problem - we would only get 12-24 months. I do think he would be available. Earlier in the season he was saying that maybe he'd been at Everton too long and needed to move on to kickstart his career. He's played a couple more games recently, but I think that's partly with the extra cup games etc. I don't see why he would turn us down and Everton are a selling club now. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 31, 2012 23:29:17 GMT
Tim Cahill has got 1 goal in 29 league games this season
Gary Cahill has got 3 goals in 24 leagues games this season
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2012 23:37:14 GMT
If Walters had played for Everton last season, playing in the withdrawn striker role and had scored as many goals as he had done for us, playing for them - then we'd be crying out for a player like him in our side.
Footballers who play for Tony Pulis in the withdrawn striker role, don't as rule score many goals - the exception to the rule was Jon Walters playing for Stoke City last season.
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Post by philm87 on Mar 31, 2012 23:37:31 GMT
Tim Cahill has got 1 goal in 29 league games this season Gary Cahill has got 3 goals in 24 leagues games this season Did I say Tim? I meant Gary by the way. Obviously he's been out of form this season, but I still think he has more ability in front of goal and can pass the ball better. Tone is fairly good at kickstarting players' careers and maybe a new club would give Tim Cahill's career and Indian Summer. If we were to sign him and he didn't improve in terms of goal scoring, at least we would have competition for places and the option of giving SJW a bit of breather. |
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Post by philm87 on Mar 31, 2012 23:42:23 GMT
If Walters had played for Everton last season, playing in the withdrawn striker role and had scored as many goals as he had done for us, playing for them - then we'd be crying out for a player like him in our side. Footballers who play for Tony Pulis in the withdrawn striker role, don't as rule score many goals - the exception to the rule was Jon Walters playing for Stoke City last season. Obviously that specific role requires many things. Accordingly less emphasis is placed on scoring than for a more conventional striker. Many of those other things - especially the defensive duties - SJW does incredibly well. However, there have been too many occasions this season when he's passed up decent opportunities to at least test the goal keeper and hasn't managed to do so. It's also a recurring feature of his game that he either over hits or under hits his passes when we're attacking. If we do want to 'push on' then finding someone who can play in that role but with a bit more technical ability than SJW is certainly worth considering. If it's a role that is so 'pivotal' to our style of play then we should at the very least have decent cover. |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 31, 2012 23:50:21 GMT
If Walters had played for Everton last season, playing in the withdrawn striker role and had scored as many goals as he had done for us, playing for them - then we'd be crying out for a player like him in our side. Footballers who play for Tony Pulis in the withdrawn striker role, don't as rule score many goals - the exception to the rule was Jon Walters playing for Stoke City last season. Obviously that specific role requires many things. Accordingly less emphasis is placed on scoring than for a more conventional striker. Many of those other things - especially the defensive duties - SJW does incredibly well. However, there have been too many occasions this season when he's passed up decent opportunities to at least test the goal keeper and hasn't managed to do so. It's also a recurring feature of his game that he either over hits or under hits his passes when we're attacking. If we do want to 'push on' then finding someone who can play in that role but with a bit more technical ability than SJW is certainly worth considering. If it's a role that is so 'pivotal' to our style of play then we should at the very least have decent cover. Exactly, he still does get a few chances though and nearly all fluffs them, not even hitting the target most of the time. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2012 23:50:49 GMT
If Walters had played for Everton last season, playing in the withdrawn striker role and had scored as many goals as he had done for us, playing for them - then we'd be crying out for a player like him in our side. Footballers who play for Tony Pulis in the withdrawn striker role, don't as rule score many goals - the exception to the rule was Jon Walters playing for Stoke City last season. Obviously that specific role requires many things. Accordingly less emphasis is placed on scoring than for a more conventional striker. Many of those other things - especially the defensive duties - SJW does incredibly well. However, there have been too many occasions this season when he's passed up decent opportunities to at least test the goal keeper and hasn't managed to do so. It's also a recurring feature of his game that he either over hits or under hits his passes when we're attacking. If we do want to 'push on' then finding someone who can play in that role but with a bit more technical ability than SJW is certainly worth considering. If it's a role that is so 'pivotal' to our style of play then we should at the very least have decent cover. Phil I think it's a role that is pivotal to the 'system' but I equally I think that the whoever plays the role (regardless of their ability) wll struggle if the player in front of them hasn't got (at least some) pace and movement. |
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Post by philm87 on Mar 31, 2012 23:59:40 GMT
Obviously that specific role requires many things. Accordingly less emphasis is placed on scoring than for a more conventional striker. Many of those other things - especially the defensive duties - SJW does incredibly well. However, there have been too many occasions this season when he's passed up decent opportunities to at least test the goal keeper and hasn't managed to do so. It's also a recurring feature of his game that he either over hits or under hits his passes when we're attacking. If we do want to 'push on' then finding someone who can play in that role but with a bit more technical ability than SJW is certainly worth considering. If it's a role that is so 'pivotal' to our style of play then we should at the very least have decent cover. Phil I think it's a role that is pivotal to the 'system' but I equally I think that the whoever plays the role (regardless of their ability) wll struggle if the player in front of them hasn't got (at least some) pace and movement. Agree about the importance of pace... but not quite as unequivocal as you are. I'm still optimistic that Crouch can adapt to us and we can adapt to him although my head often tells me otherwise. But the point I was making would be relevant with or without pace up top. Walters has a decent chance to score... say he's one on one with the keeper... surely it doesn't matter who his strike partner is? He should be hitting the target far more consistently. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 1, 2012 0:04:44 GMT
Tim (or Gary) Cahill aside we need to create more chances before we can even consider who is going to convert them.
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Post by philm87 on Apr 1, 2012 0:07:10 GMT
Tim (or Gary) Cahill aside we need to create more chances before we can even consider who is going to convert them. Yeah that probably is about right. Has been our main problem all season. But someone in that role who could pass the ball slightly better would help in that department too. In the meantime... bring back the long throw  |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 1, 2012 0:12:53 GMT
Definitely bring back the long throw - We would have had a lot more opportunities today if we'd thrown in it from 40 yards.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 1, 2012 0:19:57 GMT
Phil I think it's a role that is pivotal to the 'system' but I equally I think that the whoever plays the role (regardless of their ability) wll struggle if the player in front of them hasn't got (at least some) pace and movement. Agree about the importance of pace... but not quite as unequivocal as you are. I'm still optimistic that Crouch can adapt to us and we can adapt to him although my head often tells me otherwise. But the point I was making would be relevant with or without pace up top. Walters has a decent chance to score... say he's one on one with the keeper... surely it doesn't matter who his strike partner is? He should be hitting the target far more consistently. I'm not sure he's that bad. How bad is his conversion to strike rate compared to (say a quality forward like) Suarez? We're creating so few chances, that any chance has become like a life or death situation for us this season. I guess the point I'm making, is that even if Rooney had been playing the role for us this season, there's (based on a chance to conversion ratio) not much reason to believe that even he would have reached double figures. Walters didn't do too bad last season, after all. |
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Apr 1, 2012 2:07:00 GMT
Definitely bring back the long throw - We would have had a lot more opportunities today if we'd thrown in it from 40 yards. The long throw has run its race IMO.....every team knows how to deal with it.....and wouldn't it be nice to create goal-scoring chances from open play occasionally??  Let's look to 'moving onward & upward' instead of churning out the same old dross every week.....address the fullback and midfield shortcomings......then we'll be ok. See - that's how easy it is  |
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