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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 10:47:15 GMT
Controversial subject, however did nobody else feel that for the first 25 mins before salif was taken off we controlled the ball well and when in possesion looked very assured???
We then lost our way for the remainder of the half!!!! agreed???
Dont get me wrong Salif is past it .... but his positioning and ball distribution for the 1st 25 last night was fantastic and tbf to the guy everytime he has pulled on the red and white stripes this year he hasnt let himself down!!!!
Salif will be at this club for a long time (a kind of vieira at citehy ambassadorial role me thinks) so all in all i think the criticism he has recieved this season is unwarranted.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 22, 2012 10:53:15 GMT
Indeed Salif Diou was excellent. He is a very good footballer but he is never fit and it doesn't matter how good you are, you will never recover from playing barely any football in 3/4 years.
He did well last night though for 27 minutes.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Mar 22, 2012 10:53:40 GMT
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Post by RAF on Mar 22, 2012 10:55:15 GMT
We are the only club in this league that would employ him, in fact I don't think any championship club would either.
That said he was fairly solid last night for the 25 mins he lasted.
He deserves the criticism when he is crap and the plaudits when he's good.
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Post by u2oxeterstokie on Mar 22, 2012 10:56:15 GMT
I missed his booking last night ???
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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 10:56:33 GMT
dont think he was booked last night after 25 mins on the pitch!!
I actually thought he and palacios looked a good pairing last night... aside from palacios' inability to track any runners from midfield.
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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 10:57:37 GMT
but what im saying is that this season, when he has played he hasnt had 1 bad game correct me if im wrong????
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 11:00:28 GMT
Yea I too thought Diao did well and there was certainly a significant difference in how Palacios played once Diao went off.
I thought Whelan had a very good game once he was on however.
I don't think it should be underestimated, just how important the 'blend' of a specific players and their specific attributes are to each other.
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Post by redsaturday on Mar 22, 2012 11:01:04 GMT
i think it was more a case that after 20 mins palacios had run himself into the ground and then became mostly anonymous till he was was subbed
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2012 11:05:43 GMT
i think it was more a case that after 20 mins palacios had run himself into the ground and then became mostly anonymous till he was was subbed Quite possibly ... interesting though, that it's not the first time that TP has started Diao with Palacios. |
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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 11:09:13 GMT
if you look a little deeper into things, to me palacios looks a better player when he hasnt been paired with whelan.
they both cover the same areas both look to do very similar things and they dont look like they particularly get on with each other. I can see a clash of personalities, look at huth and shawcross 1 makes a tackle the other pats him on the back.
wilko and pennant same thing!! the problem that TP needs to rectifie this summer is partnerships.
huth - shawcross ----- quality
wilko - pennant ------- quality
????? - ethers ------- ??????
glenn - deano ------- good understanding but not prem quality
palacios ( if he is to b our 1st choice midfielder) - ?????????
and finally give jerome a shot with crouch see what happens?? what can we lose give it ago if it dont work bring someone else in!!!!!!
thoughts?????
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 22, 2012 11:10:43 GMT
Shame how Palacios has turned out this season - a defensive midfielder but one with an eye for a pass. Think he would have had a big impact on our general lack of creativity if the fitness had been there.
As for Diao, he's still a useful player to have in these sorts of games but his playing days must be coming to a close now.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 22, 2012 11:11:59 GMT
Was it a Hamstring Diao picked up last night?
If so it could be the last we see of him,unless Pulis employes him on the backroom staff.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 22, 2012 11:20:17 GMT
IS WANK
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 22, 2012 11:41:32 GMT
I thought he was looking very good last night and I was disappointed when he went off. I think he has been at least decent whenever called upon this season if I'm honest.
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2012 12:38:39 GMT
He has played fine this season
yes he always gets booked & of course on paper Palacios should be the (miles) better player
but Salif has done ok this season which has perhaps caught people out(on this board) because last season he looked finished.
Would another prem club employ him?
probably not
however I think its daft to say Championship clubs wouldnt have him.
Ideally Palacios comes back next season fit & ready to show what he can actully do.
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 22, 2012 12:40:53 GMT
I groan when I see his name on the teamsheet but in fairness to him he has put in some decent shifts. His presence though merely highlights the need for better options in midfield. I would be concerned if he was still in the squad next season.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 22, 2012 12:44:44 GMT
When he was on the pitch modric got in behind us 3 times, after that he barely had a sniff.
Part of Pulis reluctance to veer from the cage stems form the fact that whenever he does, he plays the wrong player in their and we get runners ambling into the box unattended. Whelan is capabel of handling the cage on his own and should be allowed to, giving palacios a run of games to get his fitness up.
When whelan game on we looked much less like conceding, and for me still knocked the ball about ok, tottenham had gotinto their stride by then so it's impossible to say the same rip roaring start from stoke wouldn't have happened if Glen had started.
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Post by northantsash on Mar 22, 2012 14:00:03 GMT
diao isn't a flare player, he is very similar to rory in that he has lost pace, but most times ive seen him he has done a decent job. He is useful against sides who play it about, as he has more time to use the ball. He also can pass a ball which makes hell of a difference when you are under pressure.
Fair play to whelan last night though, up against two or three so called superstars last night and made them look no better than himself.
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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 14:40:16 GMT
chorlton,
if you actually watch the replays of when modric got in behind 3 times and parker once, u will see that it was palacios who lost them on every occasion.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 22, 2012 14:49:07 GMT
chorlton, if you actually watch the replays of when modric got in behind 3 times and parker once, you will see that it was palacios who lost them on every occasion. oh, so he was supposed to be tracking both of them? There is absolutely no way on this earth that palacios was supposed to be covering parker and modric, more likely he was on parker, the deeper of the two, and diao, the deeper lying of our two was supposed to track modric. When the play is open they are supposed to work as a unit and on all three of those occasions diao was nowhere to be seen. Usually Stokes CM is no more than 5 yards apart for exactly this sort of scenario. Either way we looked a hell of a lot more compact and composed as a defensive unit with Whelan on the pitch |
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Post by spooner22 on Mar 22, 2012 14:56:21 GMT
all i will say is, look at the times modric got in behind us, palacios is on him modric plays the ball palacios takes his eyes off him stands still 2 seconds later modric is in our box with a shooting opportunity. Its there in video evidence whilst diao is watching vdv and parker
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Post by fortressbritannia on Mar 22, 2012 15:03:50 GMT
Great addition to the discussion  Doyou ever have anything positive to say |
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Post by stokelad84 on Mar 22, 2012 15:12:55 GMT
Great addition to the discussion Doyou ever have anything positive to say never ever |
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 22, 2012 16:14:26 GMT
A decent player in his day but sadly the legs have gone. Once he gets his obligatory booking then he's a mis-timed tackle from a red card.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Mar 22, 2012 21:21:44 GMT
he did well and also did well when he has played on other occasions this seaon too.
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Post by laurie on Mar 23, 2012 11:39:31 GMT
Has played well all season. Very very disiplined player (unlike Palacios) and you will find that Stoke rarely concede goals when he is on the pitch.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 23, 2012 11:42:14 GMT
He's here, he's there, he's every fucking where, Salif Diou!
I love Salif! What a player he is!
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Post by scfcrmagic on Mar 23, 2012 11:59:13 GMT
I think Salif has been solid this season, when he's played.
He rarely loses the ball ..completing 90% of passes ...albeit
sideways or backwards ..point is he doesn't give the ball to the opposition.
Plus he's a really decent bloke, really polite, conscientious, intelligent and unassuming, not the regular stereotypical footballer all bling and chrome plated.
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Post by alster on Mar 23, 2012 13:43:26 GMT
I think Salif has been solid this season, when he's played. He rarely loses the ball ..completing 90% of passes ...albeit sideways or backwards ..point is he doesn't give the ball to the opposition. Plus he's a really decent bloke, really polite, conscientious, intelligent and unassuming, not the regular stereotypical footballer all bling and chrome plated. But what the fook has the last bit got to do with anything. We go to watch them play football, who gives a shit what sort of personality they've got. |
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