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Post by foster on Mar 23, 2012 14:04:33 GMT
Man United have been buying the league for years. Effectively outbidding other clubs, stealing smaller clubs best players and also cherry picking from the youth market.
They're not the only ones granted, but still, I'd prefer Man City to win the league just to make the point that Man United do not have a god given right to the title. It would also reinforce the fact that money buys success and will therefore devalue the competition.
Hopefully that will eventually have a knock on effect and lead to greater restrictions on the apparent limitless spending of the top (richest) clubs.
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Post by RINGO STARR on Mar 23, 2012 14:27:08 GMT
As much as I hate the sky blue half of Manchester, if I ever find myself in the position of wanting Manchester United to win a league title (or any other trophy for that matter) will be the day I want sending off to the padded cell.
Love Football-Hate United
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Post by stokemark on Mar 23, 2012 15:26:38 GMT
See the big picture guys Citeh winning the league sums up this league for what it is - all about money Its not that 'ManUre' arent equally all about money too (millions of glory hunters buying shirts globally, signing up to MUTV, travelling from deepest Surrey etc) - They have simply been outgunned by a club who have investors that rich they have injected the cash straight to the source. Thats why I want Citeh to win the thing - It exposes the whole thing for the sham that it is - Its not about anything other than money at the top anymore and Man City are everything that football really shouldnt be about. to be honest as you rightly pointed out, Man Utd,. are just as bad (nearly £170 million in the last 6 years shows they're not just about youth development or "earning" titles in the old fashioned sense) but unfortunately exposing anything is irrelevant anyway. football has been about nothing more than money for a long time now and people just pick scapegoats to blame it on as soon as a club is invested in; people slagged Chelsea off when Abramovic came along, and more recently Man City and even QPR have taken a battering unfairly to be honest as it is NOT their fault that football is a capitalist money making scheme to fatcat businessmen, they are merely reacting to the fact that it ALREADY is that way and if you want success then you have to buy it nowadays. it's not Chelsea's fault, Man City's fault, Barca's fault (the list could go on). the formation of the Premier league and the Sky deals (worldwide, not just for the Prem) that went hand in hand with it started the sad slip into the "Money is everything" state that we find ourselves in today. Man City have spent as much as they have because to assemble a team like that they have to; if they could have got those players for a fraction of the price then they would have, it;s not their fault that players and agents nowadays demand such high fees. i for one don't blame City at all to be fair,it's just the way football is and wasn't started by them and in the next few years there will be another club who are invested in heavily and it will be their turn to be derided and blamed for everything that is wrong in football; if people genuinely think that we are still in the days where you earn your revenue and win the league by bringing players through or spotting "Diamonds in the rough" that are world beaters but cost £10mill then it is very very naive! pretty damn sure none of us would complain if someone came and "Bought" us some silverware (i didn't notice many complaining last year when we "Bought" our way to a cup final..but as per usual with our Red and White tinted specs "That's different" isn't it). if we could buy players like Tevez (quality-wise not personality-wise i hasten to add), Balotelli, Silva et al we would jump at the chance and for those that say "I wouldn't want it, i'd prefer to earn it" then i'm afraid you'll have to continue to live in the 1970's in that case because the world and football does not work that way anymore.simples! not saying i like it to be honest but it's just a fact people need to start getting used to; this whole "Let's show them up for being greedy, money grabbers and they'll all change" John Lennon, hippy-esque ideal is just garbage. simply, accept it, deal with it as being the way it is nowadays or choose another sport to watch.it's not going to change because a few people want to go back to the "good old days" Wouldnt fancy being in the trenches with you Mick
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 15:43:28 GMT
to be honest as you rightly pointed out, Man Utd,. are just as bad (nearly £170 million in the last 6 years shows they're not just about youth development or "earning" titles in the old fashioned sense) but unfortunately exposing anything is irrelevant anyway. football has been about nothing more than money for a long time now and people just pick scapegoats to blame it on as soon as a club is invested in; people slagged Chelsea off when Abramovic came along, and more recently Man City and even QPR have taken a battering unfairly to be honest as it is NOT their fault that football is a capitalist money making scheme to fatcat businessmen, they are merely reacting to the fact that it ALREADY is that way and if you want success then you have to buy it nowadays. it's not Chelsea's fault, Man City's fault, Barca's fault (the list could go on). the formation of the Premier league and the Sky deals (worldwide, not just for the Prem) that went hand in hand with it started the sad slip into the "Money is everything" state that we find ourselves in today. Man City have spent as much as they have because to assemble a team like that they have to; if they could have got those players for a fraction of the price then they would have, it;s not their fault that players and agents nowadays demand such high fees. i for one don't blame City at all to be fair,it's just the way football is and wasn't started by them and in the next few years there will be another club who are invested in heavily and it will be their turn to be derided and blamed for everything that is wrong in football; if people genuinely think that we are still in the days where you earn your revenue and win the league by bringing players through or spotting "Diamonds in the rough" that are world beaters but cost £10mill then it is very very naive! pretty damn sure none of us would complain if someone came and "Bought" us some silverware (i didn't notice many complaining last year when we "Bought" our way to a cup final..but as per usual with our Red and White tinted specs "That's different" isn't it). if we could buy players like Tevez (quality-wise not personality-wise i hasten to add), Balotelli, Silva et al we would jump at the chance and for those that say "I wouldn't want it, i'd prefer to earn it" then i'm afraid you'll have to continue to live in the 1970's in that case because the world and football does not work that way anymore.simples! not saying i like it to be honest but it's just a fact people need to start getting used to; this whole "Let's show them up for being greedy, money grabbers and they'll all change" John Lennon, hippy-esque ideal is just garbage. simply, accept it, deal with it as being the way it is nowadays or choose another sport to watch.it's not going to change because a few people want to go back to the "good old days" Wouldnt fancy being in the trenches with you Mick believe me, in theory i'm with you 100%...i hate the way footbll is all about money now.when i was a kid i wanted to be a footballer because i loved playing football, nowadays kids want to be footballers simply because of the flash cars and glamour models and the "Heat" magazine mentality of being famous for 10 minutes. i think it's deplorable that there is a whole generation of fans nowadays who don't know any different to that kind of attitude (and is displayed by current footballers who you see laugh when they miss a shot or concede a goal - that would never have happened years ago) i'd give anything to go back to the days of players who played simply for the love of the game and no other reason (in the same way i'd love to go back to the days when all famous people were famous because they had a discernable talent rather than because they are pretty and a size 0 and willing to flash their boobs for any pap nearby). i am unashamedly a grumpy old man (not bad going for 36!) but at the same time i recognise that it isn't going to change no matter how much we complain. i just think Man City are unfairly criticised for doing what every other club already does and has done for years before them or would like to do. yes, there are plastic fans at Citeh as there are with ALL clubs (including our own) but it is a minority to be fair. Man City fans are well known for their passionate following and always have been and to be fair i was very impressed with them at Wembley too; can't think of another team that would have helped us to create that kind of an atmosphere
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Post by monkhousestokie on Mar 23, 2012 15:48:54 GMT
I would accept being beaten 10 nil by citeh if it meant that the shit lost the title race on goal difference.
I know that's messed up, but that's how I roll.
Anyways, I think we will get at least a point. Goooaaaaaarn.
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Post by frank63 on Mar 23, 2012 20:40:54 GMT
Shit for me because it upsets the bin dippers and i hate them because when i was young all the glory hunters followed them.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Mar 23, 2012 23:15:39 GMT
Man Utd all day.
Much as I hate their glory hunter fans at least the club in general has an ounce of class. Good academy, loyal manager.
Can't stand Citeh. The epitomy of everything that is ruining the Premier League.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 23, 2012 23:57:53 GMT
City.
Let's not forget that 30,000 of their fans were still watching them in [old] Division Two and while I'm sure they've gained a lot of hangers-on since then [who hasn't?] I think the real fans have waited long enough for a bit of success.
Or are we meant to believe that these 30,000 fans have turned into glory-hunters simply because their team has become good?
Yeah they've bought the league. But Chelsea did before them. And after United's initial Premiership success, they've bought most of the league titles they've won since.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Mar 24, 2012 0:15:11 GMT
The whole Tevez incident shows the lack of class they have. Can u imagine that situation with a Stoke player? He would never play for us again.
No Class.
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Post by philm87 on Mar 24, 2012 0:26:46 GMT
As much as I hate the sky blue half of Manchester, if I ever find myself in the position of wanting Manchester United to win a league title (or any other trophy for that matter) will be the day I want sending off to the padded cell. Love Football-Hate United This. It is etched in my psyche. Can't not hate the Shit.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 24, 2012 8:57:44 GMT
I'd rather the shit won it
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Post by elystokie on Mar 24, 2012 9:02:39 GMT
As much as I hate the sky blue half of Manchester, if I ever find myself in the position of wanting Manchester United to win a league title (or any other trophy for that matter) will be the day I want sending off to the padded cell. Love Football-Hate United This. It is etched in my psyche. Can't not hate the Shit. Me too, hated them all my life, too late to change now.
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Post by stokieboothen on Mar 26, 2012 16:25:26 GMT
United.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 26, 2012 16:36:09 GMT
Utd. This year.
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Post by Gifton on Mar 26, 2012 19:34:14 GMT
to win the league??
I wouldnt normally care but have money on united!
I would love a 'new' team to win it for a change but the idea of buying it ruins the whole man city challenge for me.
No particular opinions of them but would be nice to see someone like spurs win it. Purely because it would be a return to the old days when anyone could take the title after a good season! But its clearly a two horse race this year.
So who would you prefer? Who do you think actually will? And do you even care?
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Mar 26, 2012 19:37:30 GMT
tough one, after Saturday i'd hate to see Mancini winning the league
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Post by Gifton on Mar 26, 2012 19:37:35 GMT
And also completely seperate but i am listening to the game on 5 live and have to say i quite like robbie savage. Easy to hate but if he was at your club you would love him. And he has always spoke well of us
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Mar 26, 2012 19:38:03 GMT
I wouldn't mind Stoke to win it to be honest, but failing that, anyone but City.
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Post by Gifton on Mar 26, 2012 19:40:15 GMT
I wouldn't mind Stoke to win it to be honest, but failing that, anyone but City. Goes without saying but i'm talking this season and within reason!
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Post by Gifton on Mar 26, 2012 19:51:48 GMT
Either way it seems the fa cup final love in is coming to a close??
I have to say as fans i still like the city bunch a bit. Just enjoyed that day so much despite the defeat and its always nice for opposition fans to be as gracious as they were. Every one of them i met was really nice to be fair.
But that was nearly a yea ago!!! So sod em!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 26, 2012 20:19:53 GMT
Either way it seems the fa cup final love in is coming to a close?? I have to say as fans i still like the city bunch a bit. Just enjoyed that day so much despite the defeat and its always nice for opposition fans to be as gracious as they were. Every one of them i met was really nice to be fair. But that was nearly a yea ago!!! So sod em! Only because they won. Had KJ nicked that goal and we had won then you wouldn't have seen a gracious citeh fan for dust. Just look at their comments on bluemoon after they were supposedly "mugged" on satdee and the actions of the odious mankini is beyond contempt.
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Post by Gifton on Mar 26, 2012 20:22:07 GMT
Either way it seems the fa cup final love in is coming to a close?? I have to say as fans i still like the city bunch a bit. Just enjoyed that day so much despite the defeat and its always nice for opposition fans to be as gracious as they were. Every one of them i met was really nice to be fair. But that was nearly a yea ago!!! So sod em! Only because they won. Had KJ nicked that goal and we had won then you wouldn't have seen a gracious citeh fan for dust. Just look at their comments on bluemoon after they were supposedly "mugged" on satdee and the actions of the odious mankini is beyond contempt. Cant disagree to be fair
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Post by madasasnake on Mar 26, 2012 20:47:25 GMT
Man United have been buying the league for years. Effectively outbidding other clubs, stealing smaller clubs best players and also cherry picking from the youth market I'm sorry Foster but that is a view based to a large extent on prejudice ;D They were outbid for Shearer by Blackburn. They were outbid for Sutton by Blackburn. They lost out to Chelsea for Roben, Essien and Mickel! They lost out to City for Nasri! The list is endless! They have won the title with more youth and English players than anybody else! Yes, they are successful and have a history and players want to play for them so they do beat other sides to players' signatures; and in contrast to Stoke they may have bought the league, but not when compared with anyone else who has won the Premier League Shit for me because it upsets the bin dippers and i hate them because when i was young all the glory hunters followed them. I entirely agree Frank - we must be a similar age! I actually know two guys from Salford who are in their late forties and they support Liverpool!!!!! City. Let's not forget that 30,000 of their fans were still watching them in [old] Division Two and while I'm sure they've gained a lot of hangers-on since then [who hasn't?] I think the real fans have waited long enough for a bit of success. Or are we meant to believe that these 30,000 fans have turned into glory-hunters simply because their team has become good? Yeah they've bought the league. But Chelsea did before them. And after United's initial Premiership success, they've bought most of the league titles they've won since. And lets not forget the 60,000 odd gates that United got in the Second Division. I have posted a a factual history of the two clubs on here before but people don't like facts - they interfere with their pre-conceived prejudices! I have lived here for over 20 years. United may have more glory hunting fans from Oxford and Surrey, but there is not much that they can do about it, just as City won't be able to do anything about their "new' support! Just as Liverpool couldn't do much about Salford lads supporting them in the 70's. There are nowhere near as many Manchester City fans in Manchester as there are United. I never saw a car sticker and hardly a shirt until about 18 months ago Don't believe everything you hear from Man City fans or you want to believe because of prejudice. Its as comical as us achieving massive success and then reading that every true resident of the city actually supports the Vale ???
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Post by foster on Mar 27, 2012 8:42:07 GMT
Man United have been buying the league for years. Effectively outbidding other clubs, stealing smaller clubs best players and also cherry picking from the youth market I'm sorry Foster but that is a view based to a large extent on prejudice ;D Sorry mate, but how does hating Man United and wanting them to lose everything no matter what relevant facts get in the way make me prejudiced?
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