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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 18, 2012 23:50:55 GMT
I did a post herer back in late October about how they aren't any use anymore. If anything justified my point it was last nights game. It doesn't work anymore. End it  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 0:04:40 GMT
Yes....we know.
The human sling , should sling his hook ....
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Post by oldgit57 on Mar 19, 2012 0:05:54 GMT
Agree wholeheartedly!
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Post by StokeOnTour on Mar 19, 2012 0:05:57 GMT
And it's the only reason Shotton plays before Pennant  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 0:06:32 GMT
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 19, 2012 0:17:04 GMT
Short throws are much more deadly ??? Most teams who can use it use it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 0:23:40 GMT
Short throws are much more deadly ??? Most teams who can use it use it. Are those teams who are using it actually picking players solely for their ability to 'use it', and changing their entire gameplan in order to do so? Or put another way, would other teams play a Shotton above a Pennant? Or a Delap above a Palacios, when the tactic isn't working anyway? |
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 19, 2012 0:28:12 GMT
Short throws are much more deadly ??? Most teams who can use it use it. Are those teams who are using it actually picking players solely for their ability to 'use it', and changing their entire gameplan in order to do so? Or put another way, would other teams play a Shotton above a Pennant? Or a Delap above a Palacios, when the tactic isn't working anyway? So far from what I have seen this season I would play any other player ahead of Palacios although Palacios is good for 10-15 mins. Also for what it's worth Pennant isn't pulling down trees when he comes on either. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 0:38:53 GMT
Are those teams who are using it actually picking players solely for their ability to 'use it', and changing their entire gameplan in order to do so? Or put another way, would other teams play a Shotton above a Pennant? Or a Delap above a Palacios, when the tactic isn't working anyway? So far from what I have seen this season I would play any other player ahead of Palacios although Palacios is good for 10-15 mins. Also for what it's worth Pennant isn't pulling down trees when he comes on either. Palacios and the way he's used/not used is a bit of a mystery. When given a game, he's blowing out of his arse after 25 minutes, but generally, the football he's played has impressed me, and I'd have brought him on for the last 15 minutes rather than Delap. I actually think that Pennant is over-rated from the point of view that I've only seen him beat a man for pace a handful of times since he's been here. But I'd still pick him above Shotts everytime because of his footwork and general footballing nous. In both cases, I'd question the reason for favouring the man with the long-throw, simply because they can do a long-throw, when the long-throw ain't working. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 19, 2012 0:43:31 GMT
I`m bored of the long throws, and its beyond a joke that two players are selected in the team purely (and lets be honest, it cant be anything else) because of it.
Fuck the long throw off, its embarrassing.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 19, 2012 0:46:58 GMT
Thing is, short throws are an absolute waste of time.
Shotton's throws have been causing trouble when we attack them properly, like a corner. Delap seems to have lost some of the length on his though.
Fact is, though, it's one of the few scoring opportunities we get in a game. Take out the long throw and that's just another weapon out of our arsenal. It'd be like Liverpool dropping Suarez.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 19, 2012 0:51:08 GMT
When Ivanovic toon one for Chelsea it worked because it was quick and snappy. Ours take ages so by definition the opposition has had time to prepare. Which pretty much nullifies the threat. The other problem with our method is that one of the nogger quirkies is that you can't be offside from a throw in but we never take advantage of that because we take so long over them.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 19, 2012 0:52:27 GMT
When Ivanovic toon one for Chelsea it worked because it was quick and snappy. Ours take ages so by definition the opposition has had time to prepare. Which pretty much nullifies the threat. The other problem with our method is that one of the nogger quirkies is that you can't be offside from a throw in but we never take advantage of that because we take so long over them. If we attacked them like a corner we'd be fine. Unfortunately, we're just so static from them and I don't know why. When we have movement, such as at home to Tottenham, they cause havoc. When everyone stands still in a line and doesn't make a run, the defence have an easy time. It's stupid how we do it. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 19, 2012 0:53:30 GMT
Thing is, short throws are an absolute waste of time. Shotton's throws have been causing trouble when we attack them properly, like a corner. Delap seems to have lost some of the length on his though. Fact is, though, it's one of the few scoring opportunities we get in a game. Take out the long throw and that's just another weapon out of our arsenal. It'd be like Liverpool dropping Suarez. Your right, and its depressing when you think about it. Cant fault the lads today (or anytime really) for fight, commitment, and work rate, but surely we should be aiming for something better than random set plays to create a sniff of a goal scoring chance.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 1:04:03 GMT
When you play a limited numbers game , then you have a limited chance of winning.
Our shots on target and off target are always less than opposing teams. Our only asset is height . Our greatest weakness if you discount Delaps throw is the man himself. We do have 2 off form wingers in Pennant and Etherington. We need to get better crosses in for Crouch in whatever strategy that takes. More time and coaching needs to be done in this specific area.
Sooner rather than later we will start to struggle , if not already...just look at our goal difference as proof of what i am referring to. If we don't learn to adapt and change our style of play then we could become extinct just like the dinosaurs. It's as simple as that.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 19, 2012 1:07:47 GMT
When you play a limited numbers game , then you have a limited chance of winning. Our shots on target and off target are always less than opposing teams. Our only asset is height . Our greatest weakness if you discount Delaps throw is the man himself. We do have 2 off form wingers in Pennant and Etherington. We need to get better crosses in for Crouch in whatever strategy that takes. More time and coaching needs to be done in this specific area. Sooner rather than later we will start to struggle , if not already...just look at our goal difference as proof of what i am referring to. If we don't learn to adapt and change our style of play then we could become extinct just like the dinosaurs. It's as simple as that. We`ve got to move to 4-3-3, I`ve thought it for a while, and our performance in Valencia confirmed it for me. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 19, 2012 1:16:16 GMT
Thing is you can have good set pieces and be aard working and create as well.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 19, 2012 1:17:46 GMT
Thing is you can have good set pieces and be aard working and create as well. Well that's what the best teams do, anyway. Look at Manchester United today. Tore Wolves apart on the ground and tore them apart in the air from set pieces. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 19, 2012 1:20:11 GMT
Yes indeed. I was thinking of that game when I typed it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2012 2:31:09 GMT
Thing is, short throws are an absolute waste of time. Shotton's throws have been causing trouble when we attack them properly, like a corner. Delap seems to have lost some of the length on his though. Fact is, though, it's one of the few scoring opportunities we get in a game. Take out the long throw and that's just another weapon out of our arsenal. It'd be like Liverpool dropping Suarez. Your right, and its depressing when you think about it. Cant fault the lads today (or anytime really) for fight, commitment, and work rate, but surely we should be aiming for something better than random set plays to create a sniff of a goal scoring chance. It's a fair question, especially after the money we spent on strikers in the summer and it's a question I'd love Nige to pose to Tone before the season ends. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 19, 2012 2:46:26 GMT
Approaching the 5th consecutive Ppemier League season and we aren't as creative as we were in the first three.
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Post by RAF on Mar 19, 2012 7:23:00 GMT
Your right, and its depressing when you think about it. Cant fault the lads today (or anytime really) for fight, commitment, and work rate, but surely we should be aiming for something better than random set plays to create a sniff of a goal scoring chance. It's a fair question, especially after the money we spent on strikers in the summer and it's a question I'd love Nige to pose to Tone before the season ends. Don't be ridiculous. As if a question like that will be on the vetted question list given to reporters before they speak to TP. H |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2012 10:44:50 GMT
It's a fair question, especially after the money we spent on strikers in the summer and it's a question I'd love Nige to pose to Tone before the season ends. Don't be ridiculous. As if a question like that will be on the vetted question list given to reporters before they speak to TP. H That was my point mate. ;D |
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 19, 2012 11:23:19 GMT
Get used to them boys He has given rory acontract extinction
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Post by luke45 on Mar 19, 2012 12:12:46 GMT
I don't think there's any denying that they aren't as dangerous anymore, and we probably do over-use them, but I certainly wouldn't totally abandon the idea of using them in games. Okay we don't score many directly from a Delap/Shotton throw-in anymore, but how many times have we won a corner off a Delap/Shotton throw-in, and scored off the resulting corner? I bet it is a lot more than people think.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 19, 2012 12:20:01 GMT
Delaps were pathetic especially his last one in stoppage time,why throw it so it goes for a goal kick and not in 'the mix' ffs!!
Big eared Donkey!
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 19, 2012 12:22:20 GMT
If there's one keeper you should use them against it's Reina. We might not have scored from a throw in but it unsettles him and no doubt contributed to our goal.
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Post by primmerz on Mar 19, 2012 12:42:49 GMT
If either Shotton or delap are on the pitch it should definitely be used but it should not keep better players off the pitch solely because they possess a long throw
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 19, 2012 22:54:58 GMT
Best throw in this season was a short one early v Blackburn when suddenly there was loads of space put a cross in.
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 19, 2012 23:26:18 GMT
Best throw in this season was a short one early v Blackburn when suddenly there was loads of space put a cross in. Why was that so effective ask yourself? It is because they were expecting a long throw  Mix it yes, lose it I don't think so. |
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