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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 1, 2012 13:34:17 GMT
Just seen abit from Pulis at the weekly press conference.
One thing that puzzles me is his comments about shotton and pennant. According to Tone, shotton is in better form. That's very debateable but it's an arguement for another thread.
So according to that logic, then surely Walters (who has scored 2 league goals from open play in 40+ games) should be dropped in place of jerome, who has looked a goal threat and scored a few goals in the past 6-8 weeks.
Where is the consistency in selection? What is the point of competing for a place, if good form doesn't get you a starting place?
The same could be said for our centre midfield. Poor Arismendi has had a few decent outings this season, but Pulis is looking to ship him out on loan. Where as whitehead, whelan and delap have only had a handful of decent games between them.
It should be one rule for all members of the squad. If you are playing well consistently then you are involved. If not your out and you have to work to get back in and take your chances when they come along.
However if you are on Tone's favourites list then that rule seemingly doesn't apply.
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Post by Gods on Mar 1, 2012 13:36:51 GMT
Thing with Walters is he is a real nuisance to the opposition... wins a few penalties (and usually scores them), winds people up, and can play a bit too. All in all he's quite a handful.
Oh, and I haven't fully subscribed to the "Arismendi is Ace" club yet, more evidence needed.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 1, 2012 13:38:43 GMT
I would guess that with TP a lot comes down to attitude and your "influence" in the dressing room. I think he values those attributes at least, if not more, highly than any other.
It's a strength of his (contributing to a team spirit that is the envy of many) but also a weakness (persisting with "faves" like Walters, Delap, etc irrespective of form and fitness).
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 1, 2012 13:41:29 GMT
Thing with Walters is he is a real nuisance to the opposition... wins a few penalties (and usually scores them), winds people up, and can play a bit too. All in all he's quite a handful.Oh, and I haven't fully subscribed to the "Arismendi is Ace" club yet, more evidence needed. At his peak of last March-May, yes. But he's been playing like a one-paced Championship player since at least October, and not impacting the game at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 13:49:14 GMT
simple answer to the original post......because Pulis makes it up as he goes along and ends up constantly contradicting his public statements when he actually picks a side. why should it really bother you though???? after all TP doesn't answer to the fans remember  |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Mar 1, 2012 13:51:06 GMT
Obviously because he "works 'aaard" Pointless thread |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Mar 1, 2012 13:51:16 GMT
Odd one this. He had a week's rest but missing a midweek game isn't really a rest is it? Could it be that he's been 'sussed' and he's what some people suspected all along - just a good Championship standard player? Not a JW hater BTW, just asking the question.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 1, 2012 13:52:21 GMT
I would guess that with TP a lot comes down to attitude and your "influence" in the dressing room. I think he values those attributes at least, if not more, highly than any other. It's a strength of his (contributing to a team spirit that is the envy of many) but also a weakness (persisting with "faves" like Walters, Delap, etc irrespective of form and fitness). Yeah, it does seem to be part of his management style. Once he's elevated you to his inner core who tick all his boxes on and off the pitch - Delap, Shawcross, Walters, Diao, Higginbotham, Griffin, Cresswell - you really have to work damned hard to lose your spot as long as you're hitting your yardage targets when he gets the info on a Monday morning. I think as long as Tone's beloved stats are telling him that Walters is covering his target yardage, his place is safe due to the perceived intangibles he brings to the dressing room. But what the stats maybe don't tell him is how laboured and spark-less he's looking. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 1, 2012 13:53:15 GMT
A very good Championship player who had a wonderful purple patch in the Prem
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 1, 2012 13:54:20 GMT
I'm not in the Arismendi is ace fan club either.
I'm in the Arisemendi played particularly well, got stuck in and kept the ball, so get him in the squad fan club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 19:43:18 GMT
If Pulis applied logic, he wouldn't split opinion like he does and this board would be 80 per cent quieter. Shotton, a CH, in better form than Pennant the winger who just happens to have been decent?? What next, Sorensen to replace Crouch after a barren spell??  A bit of honesty wouldn't go amiss. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 1, 2012 19:50:21 GMT
I would guess that with TP a lot comes down to attitude and your "influence" in the dressing room. I think he values those attributes at least, if not more, highly than any other. It's a strength of his (contributing to a team spirit that is the envy of many) but also a weakness (persisting with "faves" like Walters, Delap, etc irrespective of form and fitness). Yeah, it does seem to be part of his management style. Once he's elevated you to his inner core who tick all his boxes on and off the pitch - Delap, Shawcross, Walters, Diao, Higginbotham, Griffin, Cresswell - you really have to work damned hard to lose your spot as long as you're hitting your yardage targets when he gets the info on a Monday morning. I think as long as Tone's beloved stats are telling him that Walters is covering his target yardage, his place is safe due to the perceived intangibles he brings to the dressing room. But what the stats maybe don't tell him is how laboured and spark-less he's looking. Yeah this is a point I've made for a few weeks, Grapey. I absolutely don't doubt that TP's stats for Jon are still right up there. Due to the character the lad is he will always try his absolute best but what it won't show (or I assume it won't) will be how Jon isn't "on his toes" and travelling at the same pace as he was say, last April. They also won't show that in actual fact he isn't playing that well and his effectiveness to the team is nowhere near where it has been. I don't need OPTA to tell me that, I just have to go through a turnstile. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 19:57:18 GMT
Opta stats are great but aren't a solitary yardstick by which to measure your players performance, which may be the issue.
If it looks like a Cresswell, and runs as far as a Cresswell, it's probably a Cresswell.
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Post by multiplescoregasms on Mar 1, 2012 20:03:03 GMT
If Pulis applied logic, he wouldn't split opinion like he does and this board would be 80 per cent quieter. Shotton, a CH, in better form than Pennant the winger who just happens to have been decent?? What next, Sorensen to replace Crouch after a barren spell?? A bit of honesty wouldn't go amiss. Come on, give Pulis a bit of credit! He'd obviously play Begovic up front over Tommy, he's taller! |
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 1, 2012 21:07:39 GMT
Exactly, opta stats should be used to analyse who is doing what, how they can improve and monitor fitness levels.
I doubt Walters would get in any other teams starting 11 on a regular basis. To base his inclusion on distance covered alone is insane and at the moment, running around is his only contribution. If he's not on form then he is a passenger to us.
My point of thread was to question why the same rules don't apply to all members? So he must just be thinking that us fans are stupid, as he quite clearly doesn't pick people on form.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 1, 2012 21:24:34 GMT
Exactly, opta stats should be used to analyse who is doing what, how they can improve and monitor fitness levels. I doubt Walters would get in any other teams starting 11 on a regular basis. To base his inclusion on distance covered alone is insane and at the moment, running around is his only contribution. If he's not on form then he is a passenger to us. My point of thread was to question why the same rules don't apply to all members? So he must just be thinking that us fans are stupid, as he quite clearly doesn't pick people on form. You are wasting your time, mate. Some on here will take a 1-0 win no matter how shit the football is to watch and no matter how nonsensical the team selections are. The fact that Jerome has looked good has bypassed Tone, as has the fact that Delap has no legs anymore. Now we are on a run of 1 , the rimmers will no doubt stand up for Tone, and yes I know where we have come from! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2012 21:31:16 GMT
My point of thread was to question why the same rules don't apply to all members? So he must just be thinking that us fans are stupid, as he quite clearly doesn't pick people on form. He doesn't give a shit about the fans, in fairness nor should he. He doesn't pick on form though and that's what I meant by honesty. I can cope with TP not really caring what I think about his selections, but I'm less happy to be taken for a mug. Form my arse. Your face fits or it doesn't. Someone touched earlier today on the fact that we have a number of players maybe a little grateful to be here. I know for sure that I'd pick a better first XI 9 times out of 10 than TP does, based on ability and form, and nothing to do with Opta stats. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 1, 2012 21:49:43 GMT
He should care what the fans think in a certain sense.
As he always says, the fans pay there hard earned money to support the team. Surely he should put out the best team. Not just his favourites.
I'm not saying he needs to care. Just not take us for happy clapping fools. After spending quite alot of money on assembling a squad, he should use it and not stick to his old favourites.
At the end of the day we do pay his wages.
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Post by skilljim on Mar 1, 2012 21:58:42 GMT
Oh, and I haven't fully subscribed to the "Arismendi is Ace" club yet, more evidence needed. The thing that's a shame is, even after a great game at Valencia, we're not going to get to see more evidence, since Pulis is fucking him off at the first opportunity so he doesn't upset our over 40's ;D |
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 1, 2012 22:15:39 GMT
As previously stated he doesn't seem to go on form. Good job really otherwise Etherington wouldn't be playing either
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Post by Fred Astaire on Mar 1, 2012 22:47:53 GMT
Etherington certainly doesn't deserve to be playing. Fortunately the 'Clueless One' has not yet thought to try Danny Collins wide on the left of midfield!!!
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 1, 2012 22:55:07 GMT
Etherington certainly doesn't deserve to be playing. Fortunately the 'Clueless One' has not yet thought to try Danny Collins wide on the left of midfield!!! Actually thats a good idea! Noted |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 1, 2012 23:10:13 GMT
Because he's Tone's mate, can't believe you even need to ask.
If we had Xavi and Iniesta Pulis would keep one of them on the bench so he could play Rory.
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Post by prem4stoke on Mar 1, 2012 23:18:49 GMT
Because he's Tone's mate, can't believe you even need to ask. If we had Xavi and Iniesta Pulis would keep one of them on the bench so he could play Rory. Your not exaggerating a bit? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 2, 2012 9:33:34 GMT
Walters is the perfect Pulis player,not too much skill,but energy in abundance.  None Pulis type player=Runs 20 yards beats defender,gets the ball in the box. Pulis type player =runs 100 yards,gives ball away.  |
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Post by worstgolfer on Mar 2, 2012 9:52:57 GMT
why do so called fans keep comming on hear and have a moan about certain players? if its not delap its walters [who one minuite is hero then next minuite zero??] i trust the manager to put out the best x1 for stoke city and i will continue to put my trust in him. its called being a supporter  |
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Post by nantwichstokie on Mar 2, 2012 11:14:55 GMT
why do so called fans keep comming on hear and have a moan about certain players? if its not delap its walters [who one minuite is hero then next minuite zero??] i trust the manager to put out the best x1 for stoke city and i will continue to put my trust in him. its called being a supporter People are entitled to their opinions mate. I think that Walters needs an extended rest. He just doesn't seem to be able to give us that extra bit of quality in the final third. His touch in dangerous situations really lets him down. At the moment Walters looks like a good Championship player who had a good run last season but has run out of legs and ideas now. His goalscoring ratio is poor. Fuck all goals from open play. I am not a massive fan of Jerome but he needs some starts to prove himself otherwise he will become disinterested if it is to be assumed that Walters starts regardless of his performances on the pitch. If big Crouch is to look like the player we know he can be he needs some raw pace and power upfront alongside him. Crouch chasing the channels as Rick used to do is daft and frustrating. We are not utilising our forwards in the right way at the moment and it is pissing me off. I am a Pulis fan but he isn't helping himself with the Stoke fans at the moment. |
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Post by stokecitydom on Mar 2, 2012 11:54:41 GMT
why do so called fans keep comming on hear and have a moan about certain players? if its not delap its walters [who one minuite is hero then next minuite zero??] i trust the manager to put out the best x1 for stoke city and i will continue to put my trust in him. its called being a supporter Walters has never been a hero in my eyes. When he first came he was average, then he ha a decent spell of 2 months and since then he's been extremely average. The thread wasn't a dig at anyone in particular. It was just pointing out that form doesn't really apply to our team selection. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 2, 2012 12:15:45 GMT
Don't think Walters deserves some of the negative comments here.
He's demonstrated on many occasions that he has a good football brain and undoubted ability to go with it. Factor in what appears to be genuine commitment and a grounded appreciation of how lucky he is to be doing what he is and, for me, he's undoubtedly one of our success stories.
There is no doubt however that he needs a break but his attitude seems to make Pulis very reluctant to drop him.
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Post by thestatusquo on Mar 2, 2012 13:08:54 GMT
TP definately has form in this area and will continue to play his favourites irrespective of how poorly they may be playing.
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