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Post by Orbs on Feb 19, 2012 19:12:52 GMT
The post '08 brigade are in full flow. ;D ;D
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 19, 2012 19:22:24 GMT
Goaaaaaarn cammy son. Chase it johnny son. Stay on yer feet danny son. A wonderful insight into the crazed coaching mind of tony pulis Could have done with a bit more: "Danny, don't be impetuous and try to turn the attacking striker away from goal whilst trying to limit his opportunity of creating a goalscoring opportunity for Crawley" or "Johnny, close that central defender down as quick as you can so as to limit the amount of time he has on the ball and therefore apply a little more pressure to the defensive back four". Would that have pleased you a little more? What sort of things would you expect the manager to shout during a game?
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Post by jbstokie on Feb 19, 2012 19:26:33 GMT
Goaaaaaarn cammy son. Chase it johnny son. Stay on yer feet danny son. A wonderful insight into the crazed coaching mind of tony pulis Could have done with a bit more: "Danny, don't be impetuous and try to turn the attacking striker away from goal whilst trying to limit his opportunity of creating a goalscoring opportunity for Crawley" or "Johnny, close that central defender down as quick as you can so as to limit the amount of time he has on the ball and therefore apply a little more pressure to the defensive back four". Would that have pleased you a little more? What sort of things would you expect the manager to shout during a game? I think he'd prefer the manager to be sat in the dugout in a Hugo Boss suit victory sipping champagne every time they pass it along the half way line.
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Post by potterglen on Feb 19, 2012 19:33:40 GMT
We're playing the worst football ever seen by a top flight team for 3 decades. From 5 live today... Stoke are all over the place at the back... Stoke look disorganised.... Stoke players don't know what they're doing... Didn't need to tell us ffs.
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Feb 19, 2012 20:01:25 GMT
Shame we didn't lose so you lot could have something a bit more convincing to moan about Post '08 brigade is dead right Did anyone hear pulis encouraging his team today? What a fucking amateur manager he is haha I've heard it all now
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 19, 2012 20:20:16 GMT
Post '08 brigade is dead right I honestly think this "Post 08" argument is actually 180° away from the truth. From what I see at the games all of the really fierce pro-TP enthusiasm comes from the younger lads, many of whom will obviously be the newer fans. The objections we seem to be discussing constantly on this MB seem to me to be raised by long-term fans who were in the trenches through the dark days. That's obviously not to say that ALL of the long-term fans are objecting (of course) but there's no doubt in my mind that the hardcore TP doubters are NOT from the ranks of our newer fans. Where is the evidence that this isn't the case?
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Post by alster on Feb 19, 2012 20:33:32 GMT
Post '08 brigade is dead right I honestly think this "Post 08" argument is actually 180° away from the truth. From what I see at the games all of the really fierce pro-TP enthusiasm comes from the younger lads, many of whom will obviously be the newer fans. The objections we seem to be discussing constantly on this MB seem to me to be raised by long-term fans who were in the trenches through the dark days. That's obviously not to say that ALL of the long-term fans are objecting (of course) but there's no doubt in my mind that the hardcore TP doubters are NOT from the ranks of our newer fans. Where is the evidence that this isn't the case? Don't you think thats just the nature of football fans(human beings) everywhere. The younger ones are more tribal, whilst being older seems to allow us the luxury of being more reflective. I just think that if you put all the leagues and money to one side, football should be enjoyable to watch and play. I know for sure that the current offering is not enjoyable to watch and don't see any great enjoyment for those on the pitch either. Its football by numbers with no room for flair or instinct.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 19, 2012 20:34:27 GMT
Post '08 brigade is dead right I honestly think this "Post 08" argument is actually 180° away from the truth. From what I see at the games all of the really fierce pro-TP enthusiasm comes from the younger lads, many of whom will obviously be the newer fans. The objections we seem to be discussing constantly on this MB seem to me to be raised by long-term fans who were in the trenches through the dark days. That's obviously not to say that ALL of the long-term fans are objecting (of course) but there's no doubt in my mind that the hardcore TP doubters are NOT from the ranks of our newer fans. Where is the evidence that this isn't the case? Spot on Smudge. I have followed stoke for 30 years, home and away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 20:40:25 GMT
I have no problem with the game today, it was a good result all considered, and I don't care how we did it as long as we won.
My problem is that this game would have been good to boost much needed confidence in the side, we won but it won't do this considering we defended (easily) for around 70 minutes of the game.
A good solid 2-0 comfortable win against Swansea, and everything will be fine, confidence will return and we will start looking good again.
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Feb 19, 2012 20:41:29 GMT
Post '08 brigade is dead right I honestly think this "Post 08" argument is actually 180° away from the truth. From what I see at the games all of the really fierce pro-TP enthusiasm comes from the younger lads, many of whom will obviously be the newer fans. The objections we seem to be discussing constantly on this MB seem to me to be raised by long-term fans who were in the trenches through the dark days. That's obviously not to say that ALL of the long-term fans are objecting (of course) but there's no doubt in my mind that the hardcore TP doubters are NOT from the ranks of our newer fans. Where is the evidence that this isn't the case? Well don't you find it a bit odd that there are people on this thread criticising the manager for communicating with his players on the pitch? That smacks of post '08 glory hunting dumbness if you ask me Obviously its not that clear cut, but some people havent got a frigging clue about football and the tendency is to assume that they are band wagon jumpers
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Feb 19, 2012 20:42:12 GMT
I have no problem with the game today, it was a good result all considered, and I don't care how we did it as long as we won. My problem is that this game would have been good to boost much needed confidence in the side, we won but it won't do this considering we defended (easily) for around 70 minutes of the game. A good solid 2-0 comfortable win against Swansea, and everything will be fine, confidence will return and we will start looking good again. Exactly mate
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 20:54:04 GMT
Why didn't,t he put ric on, could have beaten these on his own! Let,s face it they were c--p, and we weren't,t much better!
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Feb 19, 2012 21:09:05 GMT
Why didn't,t he put ric on, could have beaten these on his own! Let,s face it they were c--p, and we weren't,t much better! We didnt need him, we won 2-0 remember?
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Post by mattintheprem on Feb 19, 2012 21:31:04 GMT
Post '08 brigade is dead right I honestly think this "Post 08" argument is actually 180° away from the truth. From what I see at the games all of the really fierce pro-TP enthusiasm comes from the younger lads, many of whom will obviously be the newer fans. The objections we seem to be discussing constantly on this MB seem to me to be raised by long-term fans who were in the trenches through the dark days. That's obviously not to say that ALL of the long-term fans are objecting (of course) but there's no doubt in my mind that the hardcore TP doubters are NOT from the ranks of our newer fans. Where is the evidence that this isn't the case? Agree to a certain extent but I reckon they must all be a good deal older than me & still living in the 70's to be that deluded. My first season ticket was in 1984/5 (got off to a good start there then!) although I'd been going regularly since the late 70's, early 80's. I can't honestly believe that anybody of my era or since can seriously post some of the crap which is spouted on here. If you've got that carried away with how easy the Premier League is after 4 seasons & all we need to is sack Pulis (taken us a far as he can.............zzzzzzzzzzzzz) and employ god only knows who to become a top 8 shoe in every season from now until the year zog has to be deluded. Wolves aren't exactly picking from a very long list of available's at the moment are they, would you seriously want Steve Bruce as your next manager? Why can't we still be proud of how far we have come in the last few years, how can you expect Pulis to suddenly become a purveyor of total football after he has dragged us to the lofty heights with his brand of 'pulis'ball? If only the team, manager and tactics could match the lofty expectation level of some punters now, seriously a reality check is in order, you ain't going to see 'Barcelona'ball every other week down the Brit any time soon folks. There is one massive factor in football which can make ordinary teams produce extrordinary results, the "Big-C"......CONFIDENCE Without it you can see a team on the pitch which is going through the motions without truly believing it is going to achieve the right result. We have been seriously down on the "Big-C" in the last few weeks, just like we were over-achieving with the same team when the "Big-C" was sky high and we were winning 4 on the bounce instead of losing 4. I truly believe that Pulis can still motivate the team & give them that little bit of belief which they wouldn't otherwise have based purely on ability & confidence. In saying that I have got a mate who came out with the "he's taken us as far as he can" line 2 seasons ago so there are such folk about but I know he his a serious part timer & I can only suggest that most of the others with that opinion on here are too. Valencia here we come, first European away trip for yours truly & going to milk every minute of it just in case its my last ever trip too................in Tone we trust.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2012 21:41:00 GMT
I thought it was a professional performance today especially after being down to 10 men so early. The dissapointing thing was that even against a 2nd division team our midfield looked average. I honestly dont think that if they played week in week out in the 4th tier Whelan, Whitehead and Delap wouldn't stand out. That said the defence were excellent on the whole and again Jerome looked fast and dangerous and lets not forget Matty and JP got some rest so its not all bad.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 19, 2012 22:32:12 GMT
Some young bloke made a comment to me when I had the temerity to say to my pal...lets hope he gets Fuller on so we can have at least 10 minutes of excitement.
I'm with Smudge on this particular issue. The newcomers to our ranks are the most positive TP supporters that I know. Those of us who have been in the trenches are just a tad worried about how we are playing right now.
We won today and it was much needed but to pretend that it was anything other than a very scrappy performance would be fooling yourself.
It was a dire game in all honesty, between 2 poor sides. Did we have a shot on target in open play? We didn't as far as I can recall and this against League 2 opposition.
We have been on such a bad run that we just needed to win. It didn't matter how so long as we won. Step 1 achieved. Hopefully we can now get back to being the team we all know we can be. Until that point, those of us that have been in the trenches, and don't particularly want to go back there, will continue to express concern and talk about the limitations of our team at present.
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Post by mcf on Feb 20, 2012 7:57:36 GMT
Its those that remember the early 70s with rose tinted glasses that are the worse of the PHWs. As time goes by, the shitter games always fade. Ask me about Mills and I remember the unbeaten 16 game run - I forget the all the shit. Of course there are exeptions - the likes of Lakeland and The Wise One offer hope for the oldies where as Johnno fucks it up for us younger fans As for yesterday Johnno, give em a break eh! 10 men, away from home, clean sheet, straight through.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 20, 2012 9:42:07 GMT
We needed a win and got one MCF. I am delighted. Despite it being a pretty shit game, not dissimilar to Derby in many ways, we made easy work of what was a tricky tie. I am chuffed to bits though the pleasure was dampened somewhat by another shitty draw. Thanks for bracketing me with the younger ones as well. Suspect you only did that so you yourself can be considered young as well! ps...Got a great Pulis Out in yesterday, perfectly timed it was, and the idiot youngster (by young I mean early 20's) next to me bit instantly! ;D
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Post by mcf on Feb 20, 2012 9:47:10 GMT
you know me too well
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Post by stokebill on Feb 20, 2012 10:02:03 GMT
It was job done and I was feeling some satisfaction that Begovic had nothing to do despite the 10 men, it was a comfortable win.
I generally don't take any notice of passing stats and 'get' TP's tactics, but even I winced when we reached 100 completed passes in the 88th minute.
About one pass per minute, when you're leading 2-0 against a League 2 team isn't at all good.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2012 10:03:27 GMT
Goaaaaaarn cammy son. Chase it johnny son. Stay on yer feet danny son. A wonderful insight into the crazed coaching mind of tony pulis I know what you are saying but I suspect if you took individual sounds bites from Sir Alex Ferguson himself it wouldn't sound too different.
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Post by RINGO STARR on Feb 20, 2012 10:04:54 GMT
The best thing that happened to us yesterday was Rory getting sent off. I honestly believe that had that he not been sent off we would have lost the game yesterday. It added more spirit to our performance as that first 15 minutes against league two opposition was completly diabolical.
I know we play Valencia on Thursday. Thats a remarkable fixture and one I'm really looking forward to.
I know that we're playing Liverpool away in the quarter finals of the FA Cup in what will be another great achievement in the FA Cup from recent seasons.
I also know that we've come along way in recent years and have built a fantastic club up from the doledrums of the lower divisions.
BUT.............
Watching the game yesterday was once again mind numbingly boring. It was a decent result in a difficult match and one I'm very pleased that we got in the end. What I don't get is how people can continually defend our performances. Everyone who supports this club must surely admit that we are one dimensional and once paced throughout the entire side.
Its really dissapointing that we're so bloody flat paced and predictable after the millions we've spent.
I know that football is a results business but I'm getting really sick and tired of our continued approach to games. Its boring, its tedious and it needs to evolve immediately.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2012 10:13:44 GMT
I think we would have still won with Rory on the pitch but I doubt we would have got the penalty on the stroke of half time.
I think that one was the refs "apology" for allowing himself to be bullied by Steve Evans and the 4th Official in to sending Rory off.
If that was a penalty I'm a Dutchman.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 20, 2012 13:10:50 GMT
Agreed, Crawley were shocking! ;D, you think so? Played better football than us. All that amazing football they played that managed to get them a 2-0 defeat against awful shit football Stoke, yep that's how I want Stoke to start playing week in week out.
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Post by matisfaction on Feb 20, 2012 13:37:38 GMT
That smacks of post '08 glory hunting dumbness if you ask me Obviously its not that clear cut, but some people havent got a frigging clue about football and the tendency is to assume that they are band wagon jumpers There's people on here that claim to have been supporting stoke for X amount of years and still don't have a clue what they are talking about. You can watch football for years and years but it means nothing if it's going completely over the top of your head every week. Take the Crouch thing for example, "he's not scoring goals so he must be shit and overrated" some people can only see the result and not the cause.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 20, 2012 14:35:16 GMT
We're shit, and we know we are. But we won. Does it make things any better? Just a bit, but only a fool would say we're still not shit.
OS.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 20, 2012 14:47:36 GMT
We're shit, and we know we are. But we won. Does it make things any better? Just a bit, but only a fool would say we're still not shit. OS. Thought you were going to burst in to song for a second Two chaps next to us yesterday did remark half way through the 1st half it was like watching a lads and dads game and pretty much everybody nodded in agreement
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Post by onionman on Feb 20, 2012 15:05:45 GMT
Goaaaaaarn cammy son. Chase it johnny son. Stay on yer feet danny son. A wonderful insight into the crazed coaching mind of tony pulis ;D I also heard: "That's it, Deano son, get in the way!" I'd like to see a Graham Taylor-style documentary on Pulis. Pulis: "What a f**king ball. What a ball, eh, from Wilko to Pennant. What a f**king... It was our possession." Kemp: "I know." Pulis: "It was from our free kick. We've come square, and the ball... Wilko and Pennant, eh? F**king ball, eh? You can talk till you're f**king blue in the face, can't you?" Kemp: "Yes boss."
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 20, 2012 15:11:26 GMT
That smacks of post '08 glory hunting dumbness if you ask me Obviously its not that clear cut, but some people havent got a frigging clue about football and the tendency is to assume that they are band wagon jumpers There's people on hear that claim to have been supporting stoke for X amount of years and still don't have a clue what they are talking about. You can watch football for years and years but it means nothing if it's going completely over the top of your head every week. Take the Crouch thing for example, "he's not scoring goals so he must be shit and overrated" some people can only see the result and not the cause. These people must also understand what it feels like to be a stoke midfielder, with things going over their heads, week in, week out. Christ we are really going to struggle to attract better playing staff next season.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Feb 20, 2012 15:19:33 GMT
I don't think the Crawley match was ever going to be a classic, TP put out a team that wasn't going to lose the match but was just going to get the job done with minimal effort
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