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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 18, 2012 10:59:50 GMT
It was a good effort but it was his only contribution to the game.
As for quality over-head kicks, he needs lessons of Carl Beeston. Remember his disallowed effort v Rotherham???
Crouch is no good in our team and that is all that matters. He needs dropping pronto!
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Post by werringtonbranch on Feb 18, 2012 11:02:26 GMT
Granted £10 million was alot to pay for Crouch, but we do not play to his strengths at all. We all knew he wasn't the best header in the world he has very good feet when the ball is played on the floor (not the stoke way) and the guy is used to playing with Van der Varrt modric bale etc all very creative footballers with the ball on the floor and he scored goals his record for England is very good the problem is we have got no creative footballs at the club etherington can't beat a man, pennant hardly plays all our central midfields are to deep and never give support and Walters well Tunny got slated for been a headless chicken Walters works arrd running around nothing more. Crouch has lost a bit of form lately don't all footballs from time to time crouch with jerome or fuller would be a lot better option for me ......
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Post by liathroid on Feb 18, 2012 11:04:57 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 18, 2012 11:05:45 GMT
Why sign him then?
Our team is not set up to accommodate Crouch nor do we have the players at our disposal, other than Ric, to even make him look good.
In all honesty, it was a stupid signing.
We spent 22m this season and the 5 players that came in have done very little to justify the fees or wages splashed on them. Only Jermoe is showing any signs of being able to adapt to the way that we play yet he never features.
There is only one place to point the finger but that is not allowed.
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Post by playhowwewant on Feb 18, 2012 11:30:35 GMT
Why sign him then? Our team is not set up to accommodate Crouch nor do we have the players at our disposal, other than Ric, to even make him look good. In all honesty, it was a stupid signing. We spent 22m this season and the 5 players that came in have done very little to justify the fees or wages splashed on them. Only Jermoe is showing any signs of being able to adapt to the way that we play yet he never features. There is only one place to point the finger but that is not allowed. You see this is where the debate turns interesting because whilst I absolutely agree for instance that when Jerome came on the other night we looked more threatening. That however only goes to show that in my opinion we have really come about as far as we can come with our direct approach, which is fine but then we can't then expect to break into the top 10 for instance or begin to challenge for europe on a regular basis because our style simply won't allow us to. If however the chairman and his family are willing to continue investment to improve us we need to slowly but surely begin to change our style and in my opinion the signing of Crouch and Palacios was a step in that direction although the Palacios debate is for another day. All we have to really accept is are we happy as we are, which incidentally hasn't served us too badly with a cup final and europe, although again only in my opinion we never looked like winning the final (Kenwyne's chance apart) and the first real decent side we have faced in Europe appeared to outplay us. Or do we persevere with the likes of Crouch and attempt to adapt to better players who don't necessarily fit our system at the moment, but in the future put us in a position to seriously compete for trophies ? Tin hat on by the way !
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 18, 2012 11:40:58 GMT
Why sign him then? Our team is not set up to accommodate Crouch nor do we have the players at our disposal, other than Ric, to even make him look good. In all honesty, it was a stupid signing. We spent 22m this season and the 5 players that came in have done very little to justify the fees or wages splashed on them. Only Jermoe is showing any signs of being able to adapt to the way that we play yet he never features. There is only one place to point the finger but that is not allowed. You see this is where the debate turns interesting because whilst I absolutely agree for instance that when Jerome came on the other night we looked more threatening. That however only goes to show that in my opinion we have really come about as far as we can come with our direct approach, which is fine but then we can't then expect to break into the top 10 for instance or begin to challenge for europe on a regular basis because our style simply won't allow us to. If however the chairman and his family are willing to continue investment to improve us we need to slowly but surely begin to change our style and in my opinion the signing of Crouch and Palacios was a step in that direction although the Palacios debate is for another day. All we have to really accept is are we happy as we are, which incidentally hasn't served us too badly with a cup final and europe, although again only in my opinion we never looked like winning the final (Kenwyne's chance apart) and the first real decent side we have faced in Europe appeared to outplay us. Or do we persevere with the likes of Crouch and attempt to adapt to better players who don't necessarily fit our system at the moment, but in the future put us in a position to seriously compete for trophies ? Tin hat on by the way ! I don't accept that at all. If we hadn't lost to Wigan on the last day of the season we would have finished in the top ten playing the way we do. Oh and there's the little matter of us reaching our first fa cup final in the clubs' history too. There's nothing wrong with playing long ball, counter attacking football, when we do it right, we're bloody good at it and Tony Pulis is a master at implementing the philosophy. It starts going wrong when we don't implement it well. We still hit it early and long from the back as much as we've ever done, we still attempt to hit teams on the break playing counter attacking football, however we've got no pace up front. Just think how daft that sounds, a team playing primarily counter attacking football without any pace up front. Who seriously thought that that one was ever going to work then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2012 11:52:13 GMT
You mean Peter Crouch, recent England striker ?
a goalscoring threat perhaps ?
a neat touch for a big fella ?
an eye for goal ?
improved football quality generally in our team ?
FOR FUCKS SAKE !!!!
ENOUGH OF THESE STUPID FUCKING LOWBROW KNUCKLE DRAGGING THREADS
WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER TO FUCKING TYPE ON THIS SHYTE THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Post by playhowwewant on Feb 18, 2012 12:11:02 GMT
You see this is where the debate turns interesting because whilst I absolutely agree for instance that when Jerome came on the other night we looked more threatening. That however only goes to show that in my opinion we have really come about as far as we can come with our direct approach, which is fine but then we can't then expect to break into the top 10 for instance or begin to challenge for europe on a regular basis because our style simply won't allow us to. If however the chairman and his family are willing to continue investment to improve us we need to slowly but surely begin to change our style and in my opinion the signing of Crouch and Palacios was a step in that direction although the Palacios debate is for another day. All we have to really accept is are we happy as we are, which incidentally hasn't served us too badly with a cup final and europe, although again only in my opinion we never looked like winning the final (Kenwyne's chance apart) and the first real decent side we have faced in Europe appeared to outplay us. Or do we persevere with the likes of Crouch and attempt to adapt to better players who don't necessarily fit our system at the moment, but in the future put us in a position to seriously compete for trophies ? Tin hat on by the way ! I don't accept that at all. If we hadn't lost to Wigan on the last day of the season we would have finished in the top ten playing the way we do. Oh and there's the little matter of us reaching our first fa cup final in the clubs' history too. There's nothing wrong with playing long ball, counter attacking football, when we do it right, we're bloody good at it and Tony Pulis is a master at implementing the philosophy. It starts going wrong when we don't implement it well. We still hit it early and long from the back as much as we've ever done, we still attempt to hit teams on the break playing counter attacking football, however we've got no pace up front. Just think how daft that sounds, a team playing primarily counter attacking football without any pace up front. Who seriously thought that that one was ever going to work then? If your going to start highlighting highlight all the sentence I finished with "on a regular basis" and by the as you stated yourself "IF" we'd have beaten Wigan, which we didn't so we didn't finish 8th and it's possible we won't finish in the top 10 this season either. I really think your missing the point all I am putting out there is are we happy with our lot, which having supported the team for 30 years is the best we've had or do we continue to sign better players who don't fit our system at the moment but will eventually improve us ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 18, 2012 12:19:24 GMT
I highlighted that portion of your post because that was the bit I wanted to address ...
I think we're more than capable of finishing in the top ten (and even higher) playing effective (and that's the important bit) counter attacking, long ball football.
I think TP is good at it and he should stick to doing what he's good at, I'm not even sure if he could change even if he wanted to.
In one of the rare games when Tuncay and Fuller were partenered together (at home against Wigan) we still punted the ball high and long from the back, even though it was a completely inappropriate tactic considering the strikers we had on the field.
TP has never done pass and move, TP has never set his teams up to work the ball from the back, through the midfield with paitence.
It's bish, bash, bosh, always has been, always will be.
And there's bugger all wrong with it, when it's done right.
The problem at the moment, is that we aren't (doing it right).
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Feb 18, 2012 12:36:07 GMT
Pulis new what type of player Crouch was, so why bring him to Stoke, especially for 10mil.
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 18, 2012 12:38:07 GMT
Home-made cheese and pickle sandwiches?
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Post by borat on Feb 18, 2012 12:41:54 GMT
10 times the player Kenwyne is to be fair but he doesn't get the service. he can't play brilliant every game but not worth 10 million whatsoever.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 18, 2012 12:43:08 GMT
You mean Peter Crouch, recent England striker ? a goalscoring threat perhaps ? a neat touch for a big fella ? an eye for goal ? improved football quality generally in our team ? FOR FUCKS SAKE !!!! ENOUGH OF THESE STUPID FUCKING LOWBROW KNUCKLE DRAGGING THREADS WHY DID I EVEN BOTHER TO FUCKING TYPE ON THIS SHYTE THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Point is though that if he doesnt fit into our rigid system (which he clearly doesnt) then its a huge sum to spend for a club like Stoke on a 31 year old.
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Post by playhowwewant on Feb 18, 2012 12:46:09 GMT
Bearing in mind his impact at Newcastle is the general consensus on here that Demba Ba (it even hurts to write his name) would have scored as many goals for us or would we be having the same discussion about him ? Because I for one remember very similar threads last season regarding spending £8-£9 million on Kenwyne !
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 18, 2012 12:55:31 GMT
Bearing in mind his impact at Newcastle is the general consensus on here that Demba Ba (it even hurts to write his name) would have scored as many goals for us or would we be having the same discussion about him ? Because I for one remember very similar threads last season regarding spending £8-£9 million on Kenwyne ! Surely the question should be, not whether he would have scored as many goals here as he has done at Newcastle but rather would we have scored more goals this season than we have done so far? If Pulis built a striker from the ground up who was tailor made to lead the line for us in our system, then it's hard to imagine that he would look much different to Demba Ba. Powerful, pacey, good in the air. So in answer to the question, then yes, you would presume so.
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