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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 14, 2012 21:39:04 GMT
Sounds like two of our ex players have played absolute blinders this evening.
Good on them both. Loved the both whilst they were at Stoke, particulary Abdy of course!
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 14, 2012 21:42:16 GMT
I was a massive Simmo fan thought he was fantastic.
Was such a shame he never got a look in for us in the prem, I know that Tommy was an outstanding signing and was needed, but I thought that Simmo really did deserve a good crack at it.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 14, 2012 21:55:52 GMT
Faye - best West Ham player by a country mile this season according to West Ham neighbour
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 14, 2012 21:57:47 GMT
my West Ham supporting mate says the same Sufolk.
He can't believe that for no fee, they have Abdy and effectively gave us Upson in return.
No comparison between the two is his opinion and he reckons had Abdy been there last season, instead of Upson, they wouldn't have gone down.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 14, 2012 22:01:58 GMT
Abdy and Simmo are definitively Legends !
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 14, 2012 22:02:15 GMT
my West Ham supporting mate says the same Sufolk. He can't believe that for no fee, they have Abdy and effectively gave us Upson in return. No comparison between the two is his opinion and he reckons had Abdy been there last season, instead of Upson, they wouldn't have gone down. You do indeed wonder don't you |
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Post by redwhite on Feb 14, 2012 22:14:23 GMT
Abdoulaye was a hero for us, I think it's great that he's still playing regularly and probably made a worth while move.
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Post by basingstokie on Feb 15, 2012 8:25:04 GMT
Simmo was fantastic in our promotion season & I don't think I've ever totally forgiven Pulis for bringing in Nash and putting Simmo on the bench for the final few games
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Post by rambomcslaphappy on Feb 15, 2012 8:30:12 GMT
Abdy and Simmo are definitively Legends ! +1 |
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Post by Pedropotter on Feb 15, 2012 8:34:22 GMT
Upsons done nowt wrong since he arrived here. He's a better defender than Faye and given a run in the side I believe he would show it.
Thats taking nowt away from Abdy - he was immense for us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 8:52:10 GMT
I love abdy, however the circumstances around his departure weren't good.
We never got to thank him.
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Post by stokeramblers on Feb 15, 2012 9:14:57 GMT
Simmo was fantastic in our promotion season & I don't think I've ever totally forgiven Pulis for bringing in Nash and putting Simmo on the bench for the final few games Nash was superb for those last few games though. And much as I love Simmo he was suspect on crosses. Nash hardly put a foot wrong in those final games. Good management imo |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Feb 15, 2012 9:25:44 GMT
I'm still miffed with the Abdy thing. Probably THE best signing we've made since our promotion and such a massive player for two seasons yet he disappeared through the door like he was Tom Soares. There was no goodbye, no standing ovation. Nothing. And I don't even recall him saying anything to the local press about his time here (although he may have done). All's he got was the standard "we wish him all the best for the rest of his career" on the official site and that was that.
Christ knows what went on but for a modern day legend to disappear like that was pretty shit IMO. I used to LOVE watching him play. Hard as nails, cocky and an absolutely fantastic defender. I know he lost fitness towards the end of his spell here and that he only played a bit-part role because Huth and Shawcross cemented their places but out of him, Woodgate and Upson for back-up, it's not even close.
Does anybody know why it apparently ended so bitterly? Was it because he was pissed off at only being used sparingly? Was it because of flipflopgate?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 15, 2012 9:30:36 GMT
The 'appy 'ammer I work with thinks that The Lord has been one of their best players so far this Season
If Wet Sham don't capitulate & do get promoted then the first game of next season (which is bound to be against the promoted 'ammers) then I for one will happily give Abdy the applause he deserves.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Feb 15, 2012 9:43:45 GMT
I'm still miffed with the Abdy thing. Probably THE best signing we've made since our promotion and such a massive player for two seasons yet he disappeared through the door like he was Tom Soares. There was no goodbye, no standing ovation. Nothing. And I don't even recall him saying anything to the local press about his time here (although he may have done). All's he got was the standard "we wish him all the best for the rest of his career" on the official site and that was that. Christ knows what went on but for a modern day legend to disappear like that was pretty shit IMO. I used to LOVE watching him play. Hard as nails, cocky and an absolutely fantastic defender. I know he lost fitness towards the end of his spell here and that he only played a bit-part role because Huth and Shawcross cemented their places but out of him, Woodgate and Upson for back-up, it's not even close. Does anybody know why it apparently ended so bitterly? Was it because he was pissed off at only being used sparingly? Was it because of flipflopgate? He's nothing like Tom Soares Tom Soares is still bloody here ;D |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 15, 2012 9:45:44 GMT
It'd be quite ironic if Abdy gets promoted with West Ham and appears against us although I think Sam signed him just to help get them up and isn't thinking long term with him.
I really rate Tomkins and would love him at Stoke...in fact I'd rather have him than our Ryan!!! Controversial I know...discuss.
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Feb 15, 2012 10:04:37 GMT
I'm still miffed with the Abdy thing. Probably THE best signing we've made since our promotion and such a massive player for two seasons yet he disappeared through the door like he was Tom Soares. There was no goodbye, no standing ovation. Nothing. And I don't even recall him saying anything to the local press about his time here (although he may have done). All's he got was the standard "we wish him all the best for the rest of his career" on the official site and that was that. Christ knows what went on but for a modern day legend to disappear like that was pretty shit IMO. I used to LOVE watching him play. Hard as nails, cocky and an absolutely fantastic defender. I know he lost fitness towards the end of his spell here and that he only played a bit-part role because Huth and Shawcross cemented their places but out of him, Woodgate and Upson for back-up, it's not even close. Does anybody know why it apparently ended so bitterly? Was it because he was pissed off at only being used sparingly? Was it because of flipflopgate? He's nothing like Tom Soares Tom Soares is still bloody here ;D I know! I meant he disappeared like he'd done fuck all for Stoke, like Tom Soares, when he'd actually contributed massively. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2012 10:20:34 GMT
In my opinion, Simmo suffered a very harsh fate for a dodgy spell of form around Christmas time of the promotion season.
Two mistakes v Barnsley, one v Preston followed by a really dodgy display at QPR where it was clear that his confidence was shot to pieces, and that was it for Simmo. His Stoke career was practically over.
Over the period of his time with us, he saved us more points than he ever cost us and early on in the promotion season, when we were actually struggling for form, Simmo won us several games with his performances.
Thankfully he got the Tottenham game, which was effectively his goodbye appearance, in which he showed us all again, just how good a keeper he could be.
I really liked Simmo and he is highly thought of at our club even now. He suffered a harsh penalty for that short run of poor form, but Nash did well, we got promoted, so ulitmately it was the right decision by the manager. I still felt a tad sorry for Simmo though.
ABDY was simply immense and I hope we get to show him next season just how highly we thought and still think of him. He was an absolute colossus during that first season in the Premier League.
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Post by southstanddan on Feb 15, 2012 10:49:36 GMT
Simmo at WHL - still get goosebumps!
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Post by Gifton on Feb 15, 2012 10:53:31 GMT
Abdy was immense. No two ways about it! One that will always be remembered. But i think a few here are looking with rose tinted glasses. He was getting quite a bit of stick on here at the end and he lost his premier league sparkle for sure. I dont think he'd be better back up than upson now. Not at all. That said he should have recieved more of a fanfare when he left. For the first season alone he deserves the freedom of the city and is a true modern day hero!
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Post by Gifton on Feb 15, 2012 10:56:11 GMT
In my opinion, Simmo suffered a very harsh fate for a dodgy spell of form around Christmas time of the promotion season. Two mistakes v Barnsley, one v Preston followed by a really dodgy display at QPR where it was clear that his confidence was shot to pieces, and that was it for Simmo. His Stoke career was practically over. Over the period of his time with us, he saved us more points than he ever cost us and early on in the promotion season, when we were actually struggling for form, Simmo won us several games with his performances. Thankfully he got the Tottenham game, which was effectively his goodbye appearance, in which he showed us all again, just how good a keeper he could be. I really liked Simmo and he is highly thought of at our club even now. He suffered a harsh penalty for that short run of poor form, but Nash did well, we got promoted, so ulitmately it was the right decision by the manager. I still felt a tad sorry for Simmo though. ABDY was simply immense and I hope we get to show him next season just how highly we thought and still think of him. He was an absolute colossus during that first season in the Premier League. Simmo was also a modern day legend! The way he celebrated against leicester despit being dropped in the run up summed it all up for me. Great servant to the club |
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Post by rorymscfc on Feb 15, 2012 10:58:30 GMT
I think Abdy's good form at West Ham compared to Upson's probably has more to do with Allardyce's ability to organise a defence versus Avram Grants complete inability to manage a football team fullstop!
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 15, 2012 12:03:53 GMT
Abdy seems to play brilliantly whenever he first joins a club, but for whatever reason doesn't quite manage to keep it up the longer he stays. On his day he really is exceptional.
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Post by Pedropotter on Feb 15, 2012 12:22:36 GMT
Abdy seems to play brilliantly whenever he first joins a club, but for whatever reason doesn't quite manage to keep it up the longer he stays. On his day he really is exceptional. A good point well made. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2012 12:26:10 GMT
Not sure that is actually true.
Bolton didn't want to lose him when he went to Newcastle. He was good for Newcastle, but was part of the Allardyce regime so was never really wanted, and played in midfield, so we signed him.
For us he was immense and he was playing nowhere near as badly as some were making out. In the game that saw him dropped, Everton away, he was brilliant but ultimately made a mistake which led to their goal.
He wasn't playing like the Abdy of the previous season, but he was still playing well, all whilst struggling with an injury picked up in pre-season.
Rather than rest him from games, when he wasn't even training, we continued to play him, with Huth at right back, and ultimately he ended up being bombed out and never really recovered his fitness.
He was brilliant for us throughout his time, especially in that 1st season, so I think the 1 season wonder insinuation is a tad harsh.
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Post by manchesterpotter on Feb 15, 2012 12:27:37 GMT
Seen Simmo a few times for Sheff Utd and he's been fantastic for them and is a big fan favourite.
As for the Lord - I would love him to face us at the Brit next season - the reception he'd get would be brilliant.
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 15, 2012 12:35:05 GMT
Not sure that is actually true. Bolton didn't want to lose him when he went to Newcastle. He was good for Newcastle, but was part of the Allardyce regime so was never really wanted, and played in midfield, so we signed him. For us he was immense and he was playing nowhere near as badly as some were making out. In the game that saw him dropped, Everton away, he was brilliant but ultimately made a mistake which led to their goal. He wasn't playing like the Abdy of the previous season, but he was still playing well, all whilst struggling with an injury picked up in pre-season. Rather than rest him from games, when he wasn't even training, we continued to play him, with Huth at right back, and ultimately he ended up being bombed out and never really recovered his fitness. He was brilliant for us throughout his time, especially in that 1st season, so I think the 1 season wonder insinuation is a tad harsh. Just to make it clear, I wasn't suggesting he goes from great to awful. And I did say "for whatever reason". It's just the way his career seems to ahve panned out more than anything. |
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Post by onionman on Feb 15, 2012 12:56:58 GMT
It was probably for the best that Abdy left when he did.
Otherwise he'd have played 20 games at right-back this season, and we'd all hate him by now!
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Post by pez75 on Feb 15, 2012 13:06:28 GMT
I got the impression that Abdy liked being the Star-man, the Talisman. When we signed new, better players, and his superiority (and his place in the team) was under threat, his attitude seemd to alter. Whether there was more going on behind the scenes I don't know, but there have been stories leaked about his casual professional attitude...
Either way, if he had stayed, there is no way he would diplace Huth or Ryan in the middle.
As for Simmo - he is a stoke legend in my eyes, but is/was he good enough for the Prem? - No.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Feb 15, 2012 13:44:55 GMT
Faye was immense in that first season, exceptional and a season from a player I'll never forget. But age and injuries caught up with him and he did struggle. How many times did he go off after starting within 30 minutes of a game? He lost form and no-one could argue that the Huth and Shawcross partnership in that 3rd season was nothing short of immense even without Abdy around. He played at times because he said he was fit to play, no one forced him, subbing a central defender within 30 minutes as often as we did isn't ideal at this level.
I'm glad he's playing well for West Ham and I'd love to see him visit the Brit one day, just so he could get the reception he deserves for that 1st season in the Prem. On a side note he's only started 14 games (with 4 sub appearances) this season so far according to their official site.
Regarding Simmo and modern day legend?..come on. No chance, he was alright, nothing amazing, he had a few decent games but he was nothing of the legend people are making out. I liked Simonsen, a lot, but he was at fault at times and he could never command the penalty area which at this level you have got to do. Yes, he was a superb shot stopper. But if he was that good why didn't he sign on a free for another Prem side? He went to a struggling side that were relegated to league 1. Why hasn't someone come in for him, he's 32 and should be at his prime as a goalkeeper. I'm not saying he's not a decent player, but he's not this level and will never go down as a legend. Yes, he was part of the promotion side, but even at the end of that season we trusted Nash more.
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