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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 5, 2012 23:00:02 GMT
Given our rather poor goal scoring in the prem this season I have asked myself 2 questions. 1, is this due to our expensively assembled strike force being piss poor Or 2, is the supply to our strikers from our midfield/wingers piss poor. I feel that both have had their fair share of piss poorness, but which is worse, supply or dispatch? Your thoughts would be most welcome with this conundrum. And please no Harry Hill - fight!!! replies  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 23:15:51 GMT
It's the second one.
Are the strikers missing chances left, right and centre? No. Because we're not creating them.
We have five perfectly good strikers at the club, but the way we set up means we don't make the bullets for them.
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Post by theteacher on Feb 5, 2012 23:24:05 GMT
agree 100% with RVD
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Post by swampySCFC on Feb 5, 2012 23:24:49 GMT
I think its piss poor supply
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 5, 2012 23:29:04 GMT
We're pretty much bottom of every single Premier stat column in existence, so it's probably not misfiring strikers that's the problem. We just don't create the opportunities.
Possession (20th)
Passes (20th)
Goals (19th)
Goals from open play (20th)
Shots (20th)
Shots on target (20th)
Shot accuracy (20th)
Dribbles per game (20th)
Offsides per game (20th)
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 5, 2012 23:30:28 GMT
We're pretty much bottom of every single Premier stat column in existence, so it's probably not misfiring strikers that's the problem. We just don't create the opportunities. Possession (20th) Passes (20th) Goals (19th) Goals from open play (20th) Shots (20th) Shots on target (20th) Shot accuracy (20th) Dribbles per game (20th) Offsides per game (20th) Wow that's pretty poor. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 5, 2012 23:32:14 GMT
We're pretty much bottom of every single Premier stat column in existence, so it's probably not misfiring strikers that's the problem. We just don't create the opportunities. Possession (20th) Passes (20th) Goals (19th) Goals from open play (20th) Shots (20th) Shots on target (20th) Shot accuracy (20th) Dribbles per game (20th) Offsides per game (20th) This is unbelievable. |
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Post by padders01 on Feb 5, 2012 23:33:54 GMT
The last defence splitting pass I can remember that lead to a goal scoring chance was by Crouch to Walters in the Blackburn game at home which was November 26th
It's piss poor
And awful to watch
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 5, 2012 23:36:56 GMT
I remember a cross to crouchy at the custard bowl which he scored from.
Beyond that I'm struggling.
Look like supply is the issue then given the current replies.
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Post by padders01 on Feb 5, 2012 23:38:27 GMT
Yeah there has been a few crosses but feck all through the middle  , when only one winger is playing we have not got a clue |
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 5, 2012 23:38:46 GMT
I think the two Crouch goals at Blackburn show that if we give him the supply, he WILL score goals for us.
Two decent/good crosses, two excellent pieces of skill and two brilliant finishes won us the game.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 5, 2012 23:46:09 GMT
I think the question is too simplistic ... it's not just one or the other.
As Rob has said, it's to do with how we set up and I believe to do with the personnel we're employing in our very rigid system.
We play counter attacking, long ball football, yet neither of our preferred front two have got any pace.
Meaning that the options for the wingers are extremely limited.
They can't lay a ball into the channels for a forward to burst onto and they invariably end up double marked themselves because the defenders don't have to concern themselves with strikers who can hurt them with pace.
As an example, when Crouch scored his second goal at Ewood Park, Etherington broke but the only option for him was to hit a pin point cross into Crouch.
If he hadn't made that pin point cross, then the break would have fizzled out as quickly as it started.
Asking our wingers to hit pin point crosses and nothing else is one helluva tall order.
There is no movement, no pace, no unpredictablity from our front two - which doesn't mean they're bad players but in our system, where we don't do pass and move, where we don't work the ball from the back through midfield, where we look to launch the ball as quickly as possible into the final third and hit teams on the break, then these sort of attributes are pretty much essential - aren't they?
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 5, 2012 23:52:26 GMT
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 5, 2012 23:56:48 GMT
I agree with Paul, there's no off the ball movement anywhere. When we play with one winger it's way too easy to defend against, and it's not much harder with 2 for that matter. We desperately need a creative mid-fielder to add an extra dimension.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2012 23:58:14 GMT
I think the question is too simplistic ... it's not just one or the other. As Rob has said, it's to do with how we set up and I believe to do with the personnel we're employing in our very rigid system. We play counter attacking, long ball football, yet neither of our preferred front two have got any pace. Meaning that the options for the wingers are extremely limited. They can't lay a ball into the channels for a forward to burst onto and they invariably end up double marked themselves because the defenders don't have to concern themselves with strikers who can hurt them with pace. As an example, when Crouch scored his second goal at Ewood Park, Etherington broke but the only option for him was to hit a pin point cross into Crouch. If he hadn't made that pin point cross, then the break would have fizzled out as quickly as it started. Asking our wingers to hit pin point crosses and nothing else is one helluva tall order. There is no movement, no pace, no unpredictablity from our front two - which doesn't mean they're bad players but in our system, where we don't do pass and move, where we don't work the ball from the back through midfield, where we look to launch the ball as quickly as possible into the final third and hit teams on the break, then these sort of attributes are pretty much essential - aren't they? Think you've cracked it, which is why Fuller was so good for us, he's got everything, pace, skill and strength and we still haven't found a good enough replacement, I thought WP would have made up for what we miss from not having him on the pitch with his passing (showed a couple of nice through balls early on), but with Pulis being reluctant to play him all we have is plodders in midfield. I think a big re-think of personnel is needed in the summer, if we are to stick to pretty much the same tactics, one that may see a few shock departures, well from a Pulis point of view anyway. |
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Feb 6, 2012 0:00:32 GMT
Ethers been shit majority of the season, scared to take players on, playing poor balls into the box
Playing a right back (converted centre back) on the wing
Thats why we havent been scoring
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 0:02:10 GMT
Ethers been shit majority of the season, scared to take players on, playing poor balls into the box Playing a right back (converted centre back) on the wing Thats why we havent been scoring Just disagreed with you about this on the other thread. I agree with Paul - the changes made to the team this season have made it harder for the wingers to operate. Etherington hasn't been at his best but he's been a long way from shit. Still provides more assists than anybody else. |
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Post by shiftyfifty on Feb 6, 2012 0:05:52 GMT
Ethers been shit majority of the season, scared to take players on, playing poor balls into the box Playing a right back (converted centre back) on the wing Thats why we havent been scoring He's not been shit at all. We've become too predictable and one dimensional. |
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 6, 2012 10:24:16 GMT
You don't think it's got anything to do with having absolutely no fucker in any type of form, and I mean all through the fucking squad?
???
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Feb 6, 2012 10:33:54 GMT
It's the second one. Are the strikers missing chances left, right and centre? No. Because we're not creating them. We have five perfectly good strikers at the club, but the way we set up means we don't make the bullets for them. Nail on head son(copyright RAF) |
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Post by frasier99 on Feb 6, 2012 10:39:54 GMT
for me It's the stubbornness of playing Quarterbacks  in midfield instead of quality creative thinking midfield player as an alternative option when our wingers are up against tougher opposition |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Feb 6, 2012 11:21:09 GMT
We're pretty much bottom of every single Premier stat column in existence, so it's probably not misfiring strikers that's the problem. We just don't create the opportunities. Possession (20th) Passes (20th) Goals (19th) Goals from open play (20th) Shots (20th) Shots on target (20th) Shot accuracy (20th) Dribbles per game (20th) Offsides per game (20th) I cant fucking believe anyone has scored less than us tbh. My Dad is a very wise man, and he is now of the opinion that we will never score a goal again....ever. |
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Post by frasier99 on Feb 6, 2012 11:22:03 GMT
We're pretty much bottom of every single Premier stat column in existence, so it's probably not misfiring strikers that's the problem. We just don't create the opportunities. Possession (20th) Passes (20th) Goals (19th) Goals from open play (20th) Shots (20th) Shots on target (20th) Shot accuracy (20th) Dribbles per game (20th) Offsides per game (20th) I cant fucking believe anyone has scored less than us tbh. My Dad is a very wise man, and he is now of the opinion that we will never score a goal again....ever. ;D |
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, when only one winger is playing we have not got a clue 
in midfield instead of quality creative thinking midfield player as an alternative option when our wingers are up against tougher opposition
