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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2012 21:38:22 GMT
Other than beating 2 or 3 men and finishing superbly and winning 3 points for his club he was largely anonymous!!!!! Whereas our "flair" players were TOTALLY anonymous. You can dress it however you want to fit your agenda. Shawcross was too scared to put in a tackle and our own product of our own Academy, whom many on here scream for every other week, dropped an almighty error by chasing a ball out that didn't need to be chased. Defensively it was an absolute shocker. I genuinely can't remember him doing anything else worthy of note. He didn't have to, he WON THE GAME with the only bit of quality all game. I don't have to dress it up, it's there for all to see.
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Feb 4, 2012 21:48:40 GMT
You can dress it however you want to fit your agenda. Shawcross was too scared to put in a tackle and our own product of our own Academy, whom many on here scream for every other week, dropped an almighty error by chasing a ball out that didn't need to be chased. Defensively it was an absolute shocker. I genuinely can't remember him doing anything else worthy of note. He didn't have to, he WON THE GAME with the only bit of quality all game. I don't have to dress it up, it's there for all to see. I think you're missing the point somewhat. Take away the space that was created by the sending off and it's a different game altogether. Ultimately it was a mistake by Wilko that created that chance completely, but if we still had a right winger there with 11 men that mistake wouldn't have happened at all. He gave Wilko a hard time all second half because Pulis left 2/3 men up front and let the full backs go man for man on their wide men. He did that to keep us in the game at the risk of exposing the full backs. Wilson played well and kept Larsson quiet. Wilko was poor and let McClean have a run at him all half. If you want to have a pop at the manager for his youth policy then just do it. Why set up some kind of scenario that doesn't quite fit right into the overall context to prove it?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2012 21:51:24 GMT
He didn't have to, he WON THE GAME with the only bit of quality all game. I don't have to dress it up, it's there for all to see. I think you're missing the point somewhat. Take away the space that was created by the sending off and it's a different game altogether. Ultimately it was a mistake by Wilko that created that chance completely, but if we still had a right winger there with 11 men that mistake wouldn't have happened at all. He gave Wilko a hard time all second half because Pulis left 2/3 men up front and let the full backs go man for man on their wide men. He did that to keep us in the game at the risk of exposing the full backs. Wilson played well and kept Larsson quiet. Wilko was poor and let McClean have a run at him all half. If you want to have a pop at the manager for his youth policy then just do it. Why set up some kind of scenario that doesn't quite fit right into the overall context to prove it? Do you think we had anyone on the pitch who could have taken advantage of the situation you have described?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 4, 2012 21:54:37 GMT
he did Wilko quite a few times second half. Very good prospect and physically imposing (like Bale) too. Whereas any potential attacking flair we cart off down the M1 and play Walters out wide. For an intelligent man, you disappoint me, Marshall turned down a new contract as you well know. hardly "carted off" now was he?
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Post by markcastle on Feb 4, 2012 22:03:18 GMT
delap - are u serious = the club will never move on with tp and is love in with older pros - ffs we still have mama in the 25 - marshall may not be the anser but we will never knoe with tp ??
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Feb 4, 2012 22:04:54 GMT
I think you're missing the point somewhat. Take away the space that was created by the sending off and it's a different game altogether. Ultimately it was a mistake by Wilko that created that chance completely, but if we still had a right winger there with 11 men that mistake wouldn't have happened at all. He gave Wilko a hard time all second half because Pulis left 2/3 men up front and let the full backs go man for man on their wide men. He did that to keep us in the game at the risk of exposing the full backs. Wilson played well and kept Larsson quiet. Wilko was poor and let McClean have a run at him all half. If you want to have a pop at the manager for his youth policy then just do it. Why set up some kind of scenario that doesn't quite fit right into the overall context to prove it? Do you think we had anyone on the pitch who could have taken advantage of the situation you have described? Yes, Ricardo Fuller.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 4, 2012 22:06:32 GMT
delap - are you serious = the club will never move on with tp and is love in with older pros - ffs we still have mama in the 25 - marshall may not be the anser but we will never knoe with tp ?? Thing is we can't necessarily blame Pulis for this guy leaving... he will have had his own reasons. Playing in the Championship he is guaranteed first team football while at Stoke he will have to fight for a place. It becomes harder to keep young players around when you have competition for places like we do at the moment. It's the price of success and something we have to adapt to.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 4, 2012 22:08:08 GMT
I wonder how good the contract was or whether he felt he'd ever be given a chance.
And don't ever call me 'intelligent' again!!!!
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Post by philm87 on Feb 4, 2012 22:12:06 GMT
I wonder how good the contract was or whether he felt he'd ever be given a chance. And don't ever call me 'intelligent' again!!!! That's the problem though mate. We can only wonder. Too much speculation is sometimes a bad thing. It may be that he was offered a good contract. As we can't be sure either way, it makes no sense to draw too many conclusions from it.
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Post by redwhite on Feb 4, 2012 22:12:40 GMT
Other teams play them. One piece of quality settled the game today from a lad plucked from Sunderland's reserves. Perhaps Marshall could of done the same for us today? Unfortunately we'll never know. Never mind, we'll plod on with Delap. Delap was superb again today. He completely ran the game when we were down to 10 men. Released from the cage, he got forwards, was closest to scoring of all our players and dominated, as usual in the air. His stamina and energy are incredible and the way in which he drove us forward over and over again is the stuff of legends. Its a shame that other players don't show his leadership and desire. Are you taking the piss? Delap has no pace, he can't pass, he isn't tricky, he can't shoot or cross. He also seems to have lost the one thing he was good at - hurling the ball in the box from all over the pitch. He's a pointless player to have in a team.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 4, 2012 22:15:55 GMT
Delap should be starting, but today in the second half he was pretty good. One of his best performances this season IMO.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 4, 2012 22:16:19 GMT
Correction: I was meant to say he 'shouldn't' be starting.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 4, 2012 22:17:55 GMT
delap - are you serious = the club will never move on with tp and is love in with older pros - ffs we still have mama in the 25 - marshall may not be the anser but we will never knoe with tp ?? You do realise that the 25 man squad includes ALL our professional players! There aren't any others to put in the squad!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2012 22:19:30 GMT
Other teams play them. One piece of quality settled the game today from a lad plucked from Sunderland's reserves. Perhaps Marshall could of done the same for us today? Unfortunately we'll never know. Never mind, we'll plod on with Delap. Delap was superb again today. He completely ran the game when we were down to 10 men. Released from the cage, he got forwards, was closest to scoring of all our players and dominated, as usual in the air. His stamina and energy are incredible and the way in which he drove us forward over and over again is the stuff of legends. Its a shame that other players don't show his leadership and desire. ;D I love the way you see things, you should start selling these glasses you have that help you see a completely different game, it would at least make this forum a better place to be.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 5, 2012 2:39:03 GMT
Delap is by far the worst do called footballer the premier league has EVER seen! Utter garbage and only Pulis would ever pick such an inept wank footballer because he does work for charity! Well Rory just fuck off and do it full time!
Higgy and Marshall out but Sidibe and Collins named in our 25 man squad!!!
Unfuckinbeliveable but not surprised are we!
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 5, 2012 6:54:39 GMT
Surely Ben Marshall or Florent Cuvelier will be given a chance once we are safe this season. Marshall is sold mate, and Cuvelier may get 5 min in the season last game then? That's my point and Florent Cuvelier is on loan to Walsall til the end of the season
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Post by OnionBag on Feb 5, 2012 7:42:53 GMT
he did Wilko quite a few times second half. Very good prospect and physically imposing (like Bale) too. Whereas any potential attacking flair we cart off down the M1 and play Walters out wide. For an intelligent man, you disappoint me, Marshall turned down a new contract as you well know. hardly "carted off" now was he? But youngsters know that under TP you won't really get a chance until you're 23/24. Whose to say if Marshall had stayed until the end of the year he wouldn't have provided one moment of class that creates a goal to win us a match. The league is so close that a single additional win may be worth the million we got for him in prize money. However we all know hell would need to freeze before TP would play him so he was really 'carted off'
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Post by elystokie on Feb 5, 2012 9:21:19 GMT
delap - are you serious = the club will never move on with tp and is love in with older pros - ffs we still have mama in the 25 - marshall may not be the anser but we will never knoe with tp ?? Thing is we can't necessarily blame Pulis for this guy leaving... he will have had his own reasons. Playing in the Championship he is guaranteed first team football while at Stoke he will have to fight for a place. It becomes harder to keep young players around when you have competition for places like we do at the moment. It's the price of success and something we have to adapt to. 'Competition for places' - we have (and have had for eons) only 2 wingers, if one of those gets injured we back to the round pegs scenario yet again. Is there not 'competition' for places at Manure? Yet Fergie saw fit to debut an 18 year old kiddie that made us look a bunch of twats. Marshall went because, as evidenced by the statistics, we don't play 'kiddies' and he's been able to see this since he's been at the club.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 5, 2012 9:28:44 GMT
People bang on about cover for wingers and of course they are right. Just as concerning for me is that as well the Manager failing to get adequate backup (he actual sells 'em on) he doesn't have an alternative way of playing.
He just sticks Walters out wide and continues to flog a dead horse.
We're reaching exasperation point with this manager and his lazy arsed coaching.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 5, 2012 9:32:08 GMT
Delap is by far the worst do called footballer the premier league has EVER seen! Utter garbage and only Pulis would ever pick such an inept wank footballer because he does work for charity! Well Rory just fuck off and do it full time! Higgy and Marshall out but Sidibe and Collins named in our 25 man squad!!! Unfuckinbeliveable but not surprised are we! Would you have preferred us to just name 23 players in our 25 man squad then and leave Mama and Collins out? ???
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Post by worstgolfer on Feb 5, 2012 10:59:39 GMT
re marshall, once he turned down the contract we were fucked no matter what. shame that hes dropped down to the championship for money but thats life these days. tp does things his way and is largely succesfull i may not agree 100% with what he does but i will put my trust in tp he knows more about football/footballers than i will ever do. and as for not giving youngsters a chance open your eyes he has played youngsters in the cup competitions and if they do well he has promoted them to the first team i.e. shotton
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Post by Davef on Feb 5, 2012 11:03:37 GMT
re marshall, once he turned down the contract we were fucked no matter what. shame that hes dropped down to the championship for money but thats life these days. What makes you think that his move to Leicester is about money? Is there a link or a quote I've missed regarding this?
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 5, 2012 12:57:30 GMT
re marshall, once he turned down the contract we were fucked no matter what. shame that hes dropped down to the championship for money but thats life these days. What makes you think that his move to Leicester is about money? Is there a link or a quote I've missed regarding this? Exactly, try put yourself in Stoke youth players shoes, he's seeing all these other Premier League clubs playing and testing out their youngsters every single week whilst your being loaned out to League 1 and 2 sides, and aren't considered for the first team till at least 22/23. And about Shotton, he is 22/23 now, and that is not very young in this day and age, there's 18/19 year olds getting sub appearances and games every week but ours just sit there in the reserves/u18 squad. Whilst obviously we don't have the best youth recruitment policy and aren't producing world beaters, it would be nice to see someone given a chance e.g. Cuvelier (on loan atm), as i can't see how he could be any worse than Delap at the moment.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 5, 2012 13:07:15 GMT
Thing is we can't necessarily blame Pulis for this guy leaving... he will have had his own reasons. Playing in the Championship he is guaranteed first team football while at Stoke he will have to fight for a place. It becomes harder to keep young players around when you have competition for places like we do at the moment. It's the price of success and something we have to adapt to. 'Competition for places' - we have (and have had for eons) only 2 wingers, if one of those gets injured we back to the round pegs scenario yet again. Is there not 'competition' for places at Manure? Yet Fergie saw fit to debut an 18 year old kiddie that made us look a bunch of twats. Marshall went because, as evidenced by the statistics, we don't play 'kiddies' and he's been able to see this since he's been at the club. I agree that on balance Pulis has not given younger players enough of a chance in the past and maybe that is a reason for Marshall leaving but the point is we don't know this for sure. You say 'Marshall went because...' but really that's just your opinion. You haven't spoken to Marshall personally, you weren't there behind the scenes when the negotiations were taking place etc. So it's pointless to draw too many conclusions from this. As for competition for places - admittedly we do need cover in the wide areas - but if Marshall wanted to play on the right he would be up against JP and on the left Ethers... so there would be competition.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 5, 2012 13:08:11 GMT
Good thread. You really cant blame Marshall for wanting to leave.
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Post by kitkatkev on Feb 5, 2012 13:10:44 GMT
Just for the record Marshall was offered THREE very good offers he said no to them all. What was we suppose to do let him hold us to ransom. As for his agent Brammer no Comment
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Post by Davef on Feb 5, 2012 13:12:12 GMT
Just for the record Marshall was offered THREE very good offers he said no to them all. What was we suppose to to let him hold us vto ransom. As for his agent Brammer no Comment That doesn't mean it was all about money though does it? Do you know what he's earning at Leicester?
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 5, 2012 13:19:53 GMT
Just for the record Marshall was offered THREE very good offers he said no to them all. What was we suppose to do let him hold us to ransom. As for his agent Brammer no Comment I think you might be missing the point. It's not necessarily about the offers. He knows that's he's very unlikely to start playing in the first team for another 2-3 years (if ever), I think that's more likely to be the reason. If he saw other youngsters coming through and evidence of them being tried out (not including Shotton cos he's 23 now & has a long throw and is big) then maybe he might have more reason to want to sign.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2012 13:29:19 GMT
The only two recent products of the academy are local lads, lads who will give 100% for the cause. Maybe this is the problem for Pulis?
Hopefully results will turn around soon and we can get back to actually enjoying football, as the problem with pulis is if we are not winning, they are the most boring games known to man.
The academy issue still needs addressing though.
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Post by matisfaction on Feb 5, 2012 13:30:33 GMT
Has Marshall played for Leicester yet?
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