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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2012 23:20:37 GMT
In the sense that he exists, yes. ;D Why does he keep banging on about qualifications? I've just read on another thread he's still doing his A-Levels? ???
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Post by mcf on Feb 15, 2012 7:47:43 GMT
Since you lefties are so clever...how do you measure innate intelligence?
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 12:03:35 GMT
Since you lefties are so clever...how do you measure innate intelligence? Intelligence quotient (IQ) tests apparently. The problem is they were devised about a hundred years ago (that's a rough guess) for a very specific purpose. That purpose was to measure the intelligence of average school children as part of the ever expanding rationalization of education. They are not designed to measure the intelligences of exceptional minds... so us lefties can only guess how powerful our brains really are...
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 15, 2012 12:17:45 GMT
People are made left leaning because of their lack of power and influence, and ironically, their greed. You're all greedy, worse than bankers, at least they earned their qualifications and didn't underachieve like you lot. "And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence". Maybe they just don't care about you? Couldn't blame them with people as abusive as you 'intelligent' lot. "Truth hurts", was the appropriate reply wasn't it Rhodester? The spoilt childish brat in you was allowed free rein this evening, judging by some of those logic-free responses. One minute you're bigging up bankers "they deserve all the bonuses they get" the next "lefties are worse than the bankers [ie you consider the bankers are bad and lefties worse, in case you needed me to explain it]" I wonder if you'll look back on your postings on this board when you've grown up a bit and think "Christ I was an un-thinking tit when I was young". Well you inferred that I suggested bankers were bad, I only made a reference to them because you lot are all so jealous of them. Yeah you really needed to explain your unfounded inference.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 12:34:24 GMT
Don't think people are jealous of them. I think they're angry with them for screwing everything up and still getting paid silly money.
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Post by mcf on Feb 15, 2012 12:35:14 GMT
...so probably very similar to educational tests then? ie GCSEs, A levels etc etc seems a bit mixed up this article. I'm quite happy to accept that thick people are more likely to be racist. I don't necessarily make the same correlation to politics though - Quite rightly, voting Labour doesn't mean that you are necessarily nice and that voting Tory makes you a cunt. If anything, as far as sweeping generalisations go, I'd go for the complete opposite. It seems the Labour voters are the selfish fuckers that continually back a whole ream of policies that will ultimately fuck over the countries' future generations for years to come. I can see why some people don't like Thatcher as there will be winners and losers with any policies - I'd like to think that she picked the right way though. What Blair and Brown did was ten times worse the cunts.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 12:37:05 GMT
...so probably very similar to educational tests then? ie GCSEs, A levels etc etc seems a bit mixed up this article. I'm quite happy to accept that thick people are more likely to be racist. I don't necessarily make the same correlation to politics though - Quite rightly, voting Labour doesn't mean that you are necessarily nice and that voting Tory makes you a cunt. If anything, as far as sweeping generalisations go, I'd go for the complete opposite. It seems the Labour voters are the selfish fuckers that continually back a whole ream of policies that will ultimately fuck over the countries' future generations for years to come. I can see why some people don't like Thatcher as there will be winners and losers with any policies - I'd like to think that she picked the right way though. What Blair and Brown did was ten times worse the cunts. There all cunts really.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 15, 2012 12:39:04 GMT
...so probably very similar to educational tests then? ie GCSEs, A levels etc etc seems a bit mixed up this article. I'm quite happy to accept that thick people are more likely to be racist. I don't necessarily make the same correlation to politics though - Quite rightly, voting Labour doesn't mean that you are necessarily nice and that voting Tory makes you a cunt. If anything, as far as sweeping generalisations go, I'd go for the complete opposite. It seems the Labour voters are the selfish fuckers that continually back a whole ream of policies that will ultimately fuck over the countries' future generations for years to come. I can see why some people don't like Thatcher as there will be winners and losers with any policies - I'd like to think that she picked the right way though. What Blair and Brown did was ten times worse the cunts. There all cunts really. They're* I'm really starting to doubt this whole left wingers being more intelligent thing.
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Post by mcf on Feb 15, 2012 12:42:03 GMT
It's not all the fault of the bankers either.
Yep, its wrong that they get bonuses when they fuck up but Labour have wanked away and committed so much more money than any bank or group of banks.
The defict was well on the slide before the banking bailout happened and regardless of what the Tories do, it will still be a problem because of the decisions they made....especially around public sector pay.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 13:43:08 GMT
They're* I'm really starting to doubt this whole left wingers being more intelligent thing. Good spot. Always do that. Still no one responded to Jonah's point about McCarthyism though? What about all the Vietnam War protests on US campuses in the late 60s? They were all left-wing too.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 15, 2012 14:06:42 GMT
I'm really starting to doubt this whole left wingers being more intelligent thing. Says the man who added a word containing seven letters in the "6-letter words" thread. ;D
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 15, 2012 14:09:16 GMT
I'm really starting to doubt this whole left wingers being more intelligent thing. Says the man who added a word containing seven letters in the "6-letter words" thread. ;D It was on purpose to fuck shit up on a stupid, pointless thread.
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 15, 2012 14:11:43 GMT
Says the man who added a word containing seven letters in the "6-letter words" thread. ;D It was on purpose to fuck shit up on a stupid, pointless thread. of course it was,my boy,of course it was.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 15, 2012 14:14:20 GMT
Says the man who added a word containing seven letters in the "6-letter words" thread. ;D It was on purpose to fuck shit up on a stupid, pointless thread. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2012 15:46:39 GMT
In the wallet maybe, in the mind no. As your posts frequently demonstrate. Obviously I meant in a financial sense. Is this the schoolteacher who doesn't stop moaning about having to do so many hours and about pay cuts? Your life must be so rich as you are clearly so happy with your vocation in life.... Thank goodness half term will soon be over. ;D
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 15, 2012 16:18:31 GMT
Obviously I meant in a financial sense. Is this the schoolteacher who doesn't stop moaning about having to do so many hours and about pay cuts? Your life must be so rich as you are clearly so happy with your vocation in life.... Thank goodness half term will soon be over. ;D I know, you've been doing marking allll week, bless you, you haven't had a holiday at all.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2012 16:31:00 GMT
Thank goodness half term will soon be over. ;D I know, you've been doing marking allll week, bless you, you haven't had a holiday at all. Off piste now are you ? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 16:43:18 GMT
...so probably very similar to educational tests then? ie GCSEs, A levels etc etc seems a bit mixed up this article. I'm quite happy to accept that thick people are more likely to be racist. I don't necessarily make the same correlation to politics though - Quite rightly, voting Labour doesn't mean that you are necessarily nice and that voting Tory makes you a cunt. If anything, as far as sweeping generalisations go, I'd go for the complete opposite. It seems the Labour voters are the selfish fuckers that continually back a whole ream of policies that will ultimately fuck over the countries' future generations for years to come. I can see why some people don't like Thatcher as there will be winners and losers with any policies - I'd like to think that she picked the right way though. What Blair and Brown did was ten times worse the cunts. The article was about a study which looked into reasoning ability and how rightwing politics (not necessarily racist politics btw) is a gateway for folk of lower intelligence towards unthinking prejudice against others as it makes them feel safer in a world they find confusing. In a nutshell. I'd say your last few paras are a neat demonstration of that process. The Daily Mail is a good example of poorly thought out stories pandering to the prejudices of those who feel safer when they have someone to despise.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 16:47:52 GMT
I agree with that, but why did the Daily Mail run a story telling Rhodesy and others they are stupid? Surely they are alienating their readership?
Have you been undercover again agent sifuluke?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 16:48:53 GMT
It's not all the fault of the bankers either. Yep, its wrong that they get bonuses when they fuck up but Labour have wanked away and committed so much more money than any bank or group of banks. The defict was well on the slide before the banking bailout happened and regardless of what the Tories do, it will still be a problem because of the decisions they made....especially around public sector pay. You keep coming out with these Daily Mail type soundbites! No, it's not all the fault of the bankers - but most independent analysts lay the majority of the blame at their door - so why two paras blaming the previous govt? Try some research on ukpublicspending.com and see if the deficit and debt were anything out of the ordinary prior to the financial crisis. Your desire to blame Labour (and indirectly absolve the current govt by declaring them hamstrung for years to come) is blinding you to the reality of 1997-2007. This is the kind of reasoning ability that article was on about.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 16:52:44 GMT
I do genuinely feel Labour spent too much money. However the Tories never raised the issue at the time... to my knowledge they pledged to spend a similar amount. When Labour was deregulating the City in order to fuck up the housing market (and the world economy in general) the Tories were egging them on saying they would deregulate even further. They're both to blame.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2012 16:54:35 GMT
Says the man who added a word containing seven letters in the "6-letter words" thread. ;D It was on purpose to fuck shit up on a stupid, pointless thread. Course it was sonny, course it was ;D
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2012 16:57:08 GMT
I do genuinely feel Labour spent too much money. However the Tories never raised the issue at the time... to my knowledge they pledged to spend a similar amount. When Labour was deregulating the City in order to fuck up the housing market (and the world economy in general) the Tories were egging them on saying they would deregulate even further. They're both to blame. They did indeed, Gideon Osborne actually arguing for MORE spending at the time, funny how people easily forget eh? Oh and don't forget Gideon labelling QE as the last gasp attempt of a madman... ;D
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 15, 2012 17:08:29 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 15, 2012 17:10:24 GMT
Quite rightly, voting Labour doesn't mean that you are necessarily nice and that voting Tory makes you a cunt. No, voting Labour certainly doesn't mean you're nice. But voting Tory DEFINITELY makes you a cunt. ;D
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 17:11:15 GMT
Yeah already read Charlie Brooker's rants... they're bloody brilliant. Having said that, I would be lured in by the Kelly Brook pictures too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:14:25 GMT
It's not all the fault of the bankers either. Yep, its wrong that they get bonuses when they fuck up but Labour have wanked away and committed so much more money than any bank or group of banks. The defict was well on the slide before the banking bailout happened and regardless of what the Tories do, it will still be a problem because of the decisions they made....especially around public sector pay. You keep coming out with these Daily Mail type soundbites! No, it's not all the fault of the bankers - but most independent analysts lay the majority of the blame at their door - so why two paras blaming the previous govt? Try some research on ukpublicspending.com and see if the deficit and debt were anything out of the ordinary prior to the financial crisis. Your desire to blame Labour (and indirectly absolve the current govt by declaring them hamstrung for years to come) is blinding you to the reality of 1997-2007. This is the kind of reasoning ability that article was on about. On and on he goes.... Debt was 'out of the ordinary' pre-crash because our debt as a % of GDP (a rising GDP thanks to Brown's economic miracle) was also rising. That's why there's fuck all left to help give the economy a lift apart from more borrowing and QE. All this shit about spending to keep the economy afloat is all well and good if there's something left in the kitty to use. There wasn't then, there isn't now and a lot of this is due to Labour's neverending spending. The banking crisis made it even worse. The realily was that Labour's spending plans weren't manageable during the good times and, as far as I can remember, don't recall them telling us when they were going to stop the rising borrowing and start paying some of their deficit off. Stop cherry picking your stats and look at the bigger picture for once.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:18:04 GMT
I do genuinely feel Labour spent too much money. However the Tories never raised the issue at the time... to my knowledge they pledged to spend a similar amount. When Labour was deregulating the City in order to fuck up the housing market (and the world economy in general) the Tories were egging them on saying they would deregulate even further. They're both to blame. Phil, have a play with ukpublicspending.com a good site for looking into various aspects of spending, debt etc. Spending from 97-07 would be considered excessive in my opinion if it was an excessive percentage of GDP. It wasn't. Even including Followyoudown's favourite PFI smokescreen, which adds about 9% to debt as a % of GDP. Now you can argue that part of that GDP was built on a house of cards ie financial deregulation, and that's a debate well worth having, but imo the previous govt's spending was only excessive if it was known well in advance that it was all going to come crashing down. No-one saw that (well very few) which is why the Tories pledged to match Labour's spending (unless you subscribe to the Squareball Theory that "they deliberately lied about that as a cynical ploy to get elected" - he might be right?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:20:19 GMT
You keep coming out with these Daily Mail type soundbites! No, it's not all the fault of the bankers - but most independent analysts lay the majority of the blame at their door - so why two paras blaming the previous govt? Try some research on ukpublicspending.com and see if the deficit and debt were anything out of the ordinary prior to the financial crisis. Your desire to blame Labour (and indirectly absolve the current govt by declaring them hamstrung for years to come) is blinding you to the reality of 1997-2007. This is the kind of reasoning ability that article was on about. On and on he goes.... Debt was 'out of the ordinary' pre-crash because our debt as a % of GDP (a rising GDP thanks to Brown's economic miracle) was also rising. That's why there's fuck all left to help give the economy a lift apart from more borrowing and QE. All this shit about spending to keep the economy afloat is all well and good if there's something left in the kitty to use. There wasn't then, there isn't now and a lot of this is due to Labour's neverending spending. The banking crisis made it even worse. The realily was that Labour's spending plans weren't manageable during the good times and, as far as I can remember, don't recall them telling us when they were going to stop the rising borrowing and start paying some of their deficit off. Stop cherry picking your stats and look at the bigger picture for once. No mate, debt and deficit in historic terms was anything but unmanageable. Do your research. ukpublicspending.com And please don't just quote absolute figures. They're meaningless.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 15, 2012 17:20:29 GMT
Bigger picture...
In the US they had a pretty extreme right-wing government in power for two terms. They had the same problems with 'spending too much'. The fact that New Labour spent too much doesn't have much to do with them being left or right wing (if anything it has more to do with them being right-wing with regard to economic policy).
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