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Post by jonah77 on Feb 11, 2012 10:42:18 GMT
their isn't one,but if their was would they do any better than the previous ones.or the soviets.or any of the former socialist republics of eastern europe. socialism didn't really work out to well for them did it. even the chinese have pretty much abandoned it.
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 11, 2012 11:04:36 GMT
It's a strange one in that if you follow a political ideology to its extreme it tends to become the opposite to what it started out as.
In the countries which you have mentioned so called socialism/communism ended up more like totalitarianism, which in truth is about as right wing as you could get.
I suppose in modern politics, and I hate the thought of it, 'liberal socialism' could be a more telling political title.
These bloody liberals get everywhere ;D
The ideology and principles of socialism and even communism are something which we should all aspire to.
Unfortunately it does not suit the Goldman Sachs vision as there would be less money and power to absolve people of on an hourly basis which is why THEY would never allow it to flourish.
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 11, 2012 13:21:50 GMT
are all communist/socialist states totalitarian?
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 11, 2012 13:43:14 GMT
are all communist/socialist states totalitarian? When they go toward the extreme they may not be called totalitarian but in all but name it's what they are.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 11, 2012 13:51:03 GMT
Did you have a nightmare about Goldman Sachs last night
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Post by mistersausage on Feb 11, 2012 18:30:01 GMT
Did you have a nightmare about Goldman Sachs last night No but I do LIVE in the nightmare of a world controlled by Goldman Sachs
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 9:59:31 GMT
Left wingers are poorer than right wingers. "Wars fuel the economy" copyright Rhodesy 2011 ;D Right-wingers a bit dim? Surely some mistake!
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 13, 2012 20:38:29 GMT
Left wingers are poorer than right wingers. In the wallet maybe, in the mind no. As your posts frequently demonstrate. Obviously I meant in a financial sense. Is this the schoolteacher who doesn't stop moaning about having to do so many hours and about pay cuts? Your life must be so rich as you are clearly so happy with your vocation in life....
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 13, 2012 20:42:37 GMT
Some right wingers are reet thick fuckers. Those who live in 2 up 2 down houses and have to look at their bank balances before buying a new car and voted tory are the thickest .... Utter fucking lemmings who should be stoned in public. The plebs can fuck off. They can climb the social ladder if they can be arsed, not the Government's fault they're lazy fuckwits.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 13, 2012 20:48:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 18:25:41 GMT
And that link demonstrates what exactly? How do you know the money to buy that fighter wasnt borrowed? India's at war with whom at present? Dunno if you've ever studied any history at all, but if you check back you'll find dozens of examples of English kings running out of money as a result of expensive foreign wars, more recent governments in hock to fight wars (we didn't finish paying off the US for war loans until about five years ago ) etc etc.
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 14, 2012 19:45:09 GMT
in all fairness how much did the war in iraq cost us? i think the thought of all that iraqi oil and the rights to rebuild iraq after made the government think the billions spent would be offset by the billions made after a grateful iraqi people let us in. didn't quite work out like that eh.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 14, 2012 20:47:05 GMT
Shall we test this based on qualifications? I'm reasonably right wing, what qualifications do you lefties have?
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 14, 2012 20:50:20 GMT
Shall we test this based on qualifications? I'm reasonably right wing, what qualifications do you lefties have? i'm neither right or left but i went to the university of life,the school of hard knocks and the kindergarten of getting the shit kicked out of you.(copyright edmund blackadder)
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2012 21:04:33 GMT
Shall we test this based on qualifications? I'm reasonably right wing, what qualifications do you lefties have? The study went to great pains to emphasise that it was based on innate intelligence and cognitive ability rather than educational qualifications. Without wanting to offend Rhodesy, pretty much every post you make, on any any topic, anywhere on this board, is further evidence for what the researchers found to be honest.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 14, 2012 21:14:46 GMT
Shall we test this based on qualifications? I'm reasonably right wing, what qualifications do you lefties have? The study went to great pains to emphasise that it was based on innate intelligence and cognitive ability rather than educational qualifications. Without wanting to offend Rhodesy, pretty much every post you make, on any any topic, anywhere on this board, is further evidence for what the researchers found to be honest. So left wingers are lazy fuckers who couldn't be arsed to get good qualifications and a good job and all feel like they're owed something?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2012 21:25:27 GMT
Oh good grief. That one's actually worse than most.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 14, 2012 21:27:31 GMT
Truth hurts. Persistent underachievers in life.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2012 21:49:39 GMT
Truth hurts. Persistent underachievers in life. As it happens I think that left-leaning people naturally "achieve" less than right-wingers (in terms of money and power, which is how it appears to be being measured here). It's inevitable because at its root the politics of the left is the politics of the many - i.e. being prepared to make small personal sacrifices so that everybody can benefit. Right-wing politics is the politics of the few, of the self - at its core is selfishness and exploitation of others. It's a sad but inevitable fact that in a society which is relatively free from economic restrictions those who say "fuck you, I'm alright Jack" are going to "achieve" more. It's the reason that capitalism will always win out. The great irony is that it is probably the higher intelligence of your average left-winger that allows them to reason in this selfless way and see the benefits to society of providing for everyone fairly. And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence, still gives them the "advantage" in society. Hey ho. But let's stay on topic eh. You don't seem to have grasped that the study says nothing about the educational qualifications of any of the individuals, be they right-wing or left-wing. They looked at innate intelligence and found that people who lean towards right-wing politics are not as clever as lefties. That's all.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 14, 2012 21:58:38 GMT
People are made left leaning because of their lack of power and influence, and ironically, their greed. You're all greedy, worse than bankers, at least they earned their qualifications and didn't underachieve like you lot.
"And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence". Maybe they just don't care about you? Couldn't blame them with people as abusive as you 'intelligent' lot.
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Post by Tubes on Feb 14, 2012 21:58:47 GMT
So left wingers are lazy fuckers who couldn't be arsed to get good qualifications and a good job and all feel like they're owed something? who says left wingers can't get good qualifications? You'll probably find a disproportionate number of academics have left of centre sympathies.
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Post by jonah77 on Feb 14, 2012 22:05:31 GMT
So left wingers are lazy fuckers who couldn't be arsed to get good qualifications and a good job and all feel like they're owed something? who says left wingers can't get good qualifications? You'll probably find a disproportionate number of academics have left of centre sympathies. weren't most of the people persecuted during the macarthy witch-hunts academics?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2012 22:08:03 GMT
People are made left leaning because of their lack of power and influence, and ironically, their greed. You're all greedy, worse than bankers, at least they earned their qualifications and didn't underachieve like you lot. "And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence". Maybe they just don't care about you? Couldn't blame them with people as abusive as you 'intelligent' lot. I was just ruminating - it would be silly for me to engage in any deeper discussion about it with you because the likelihood is you don't have my level of cognitive ability. I just posted to try and and help clear up some things you hadn't understood about the study.
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Post by rhodesy on Feb 14, 2012 22:10:08 GMT
People are made left leaning because of their lack of power and influence, and ironically, their greed. You're all greedy, worse than bankers, at least they earned their qualifications and didn't underachieve like you lot. "And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence". Maybe they just don't care about you? Couldn't blame them with people as abusive as you 'intelligent' lot. I was just ruminating - it would be silly for me to engage in any deeper discussion about it with you because the likelihood is you don't have my level of cognitive ability. I just posted to try and and help clear up some things you hadn't understood about the study. I didn't read the study. Out of interest, what qualifications do you have/what do you do?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 14, 2012 22:27:46 GMT
I was just ruminating - it would be silly for me to engage in any deeper discussion about it with you because the likelihood is you don't have my level of cognitive ability. I just posted to try and and help clear up some things you hadn't understood about the study. I didn't read the study. Out of interest, what qualifications do you have/what do you do? Hmm.. as you're interested, I have some GCSEs, a couple of A-levels (I got an C in one and an E in the other, partly because I fell asleep in the exam), an HND in Media Production and Photography (merit grade) and a Certificate in English Language Teaching to Adults (pass). I work in Education Technology in the field of EFL (English as a Foreign Language). I don't actually know what my job title is, I don't think my employers have ever bothered giving me one. Mostly my job involves watching live videos of rock bands on YouTube and posting on the Oatcake, but on forms I just put "English Teacher". Makes things easier. Now, allow me to ask an equally relevant question. What's your favourite type of seafood?
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Post by Orbs on Feb 14, 2012 22:32:01 GMT
Isn't there a link between how successful you are in life and when you lost your virginity?
I think the earlier you lose it the better you do. (Males obvs.)
???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 22:59:47 GMT
People are made left leaning because of their lack of power and influence, and ironically, their greed. You're all greedy, worse than bankers, at least they earned their qualifications and didn't underachieve like you lot. "And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence". Maybe they just don't care about you? Couldn't blame them with people as abusive as you 'intelligent' lot. "Truth hurts", was the appropriate reply wasn't it Rhodester? The spoilt childish brat in you was allowed free rein this evening, judging by some of those logic-free responses. One minute you're bigging up bankers "they deserve all the bonuses they get" the next "lefties are worse than the bankers [ie you consider the bankers are bad and lefties worse, in case you needed me to explain it]" I wonder if you'll look back on your postings on this board when you've grown up a bit and think "Christ I was an un-thinking tit when I was young".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 23:01:25 GMT
Truth hurts. Persistent underachievers in life. As it happens I think that left-leaning people naturally "achieve" less than right-wingers (in terms of money and power, which is how it appears to be being measured here). It's inevitable because at its root the politics of the left is the politics of the many - i.e. being prepared to make small personal sacrifices so that everybody can benefit. Right-wing politics is the politics of the few, of the self - at its core is selfishness and exploitation of others. It's a sad but inevitable fact that in a society which is relatively free from economic restrictions those who say "fuck you, I'm alright Jack" are going to "achieve" more. It's the reason that capitalism will always win out. The great irony is that it is probably the higher intelligence of your average left-winger that allows them to reason in this selfless way and see the benefits to society of providing for everyone fairly. And yet the right-winger's inability to see any further than themselves, due to their lower intelligence, still gives them the "advantage" in society. Hey ho. But let's stay on topic eh. You don't seem to have grasped that the study says nothing about the educational qualifications of any of the individuals, be they right-wing or left-wing. They looked at innate intelligence and found that people who lean towards right-wing politics are not as clever as lefties. That's all. Quality post that.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 14, 2012 23:09:58 GMT
I was just ruminating - it would be silly for me to engage in any deeper discussion about it with you because the likelihood is you don't have my level of cognitive ability. I just posted to try and and help clear up some things you hadn't understood about the study. I didn't read the study. Out of interest, what qualifications do you have/what do you do? Is this guy for real?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2012 23:15:08 GMT
In the sense that he exists, yes.
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