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Post by mcf on Feb 1, 2012 10:05:35 GMT
I'd be bothered about the ref if I thougt he'd made errors that cost my side a point too.
Same old shit....from the same old Pulis Hating wankstains.
Pathetic.
Johnno
I love Fuller too but if anybody else had fucked the chance up like he did at Derby when he was clean through then you would have been moaning like a fuckpig.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2012 10:33:52 GMT
When he slipped MCF???
I have never criticised anyone who has slipped in a dangerous position and can recall Walters, Delap and Whelan doing similar in key positions at vital times at various points.
Don't wear stupid boots would be my comment but I have never slated them for missing.
At the end of the day, Fuller did more in 15 minutes than the others did in 75+ minutes. He is the only player to offer us movement, and ability to hit the channels instead of hopeless high straight punts and he should play almost every week. When fit, he should start.
It is that simple and anything else is a bit of a no brainer for me really.
We are wank. We are boring as sin and there is very little excitement in watching a Stoke side at the moment. That has been true almost all season long.
The only excitement has come courtesy of attending all European fixtures which have been brilliant.
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Post by mcf on Feb 1, 2012 10:39:32 GMT
Fuck off, you're the kind of person that criticises Pulis for being Welsh for fucksake ;D
If I was the manager, I'd play Fuller from the start too. Doesn't make us right mind.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 1, 2012 10:49:49 GMT
Fuller looks nothing like the player of old - fit he may be but in his recent sub outings his impact has been minimal We all love Fuller but some are living on memories - I suspect that he will only be a late sub from now on. Looks like the power and pace has gone Dream on DJ  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2012 10:50:56 GMT
Fuller looks nothing like the player of old - fit he may be but in his recent sub outings his impact has been minimal We all love Fuller but some are living on memories - I suspect that he will only be a late sub from now on. Looks like the power and pace has gone Dream on DJ That's garbage, Wisey. Utter garbage. His 15 minutes at Derby and his cameo at Gillingham were as bright as anything he has produced in his 5 and a half years here It's amazing that judgements can be apparently formed on his fleeting cameos. He has not started a league game for THIRTEEN months, and often has 8 or 9 minutes to try and shake things up. |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 1, 2012 11:01:53 GMT
Fuller looks nothing like the player of old - fit he may be but in his recent sub outings his impact has been minimal We all love Fuller but some are living on memories - I suspect that he will only be a late sub from now on. Looks like the power and pace has gone Dream on DJ That's garbage, Wisey. Utter garbage. His 15 minutes at Derby and his cameo at Gillingham were as bright as anything he has produced in his 5 and a half years here It's amazing that judgements can be performed on his fleeting cameos. He has not started aleague game for THIRTEEN months, and often has 8 or 9 minutes to try and shake things up. Come back and remind me when he's done something - running around 'brightly' for 15 minutes doesn't count No-one knows Fuller better than TP and if he was the match winner of old don't you think the manager would know that I hope, as we all do, that Fuller does come back to his prime but the years and injuries tell a different story. Lets hope that we do get to see a flash of the old Ricardo before he almost certainly departs the club for pastures new in the summer |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2012 11:10:10 GMT
Come back and tell me when any of our other forwards do more than "run around brightly for 15 minutes" (with apologies to Jerome who surely can do no more in hammering the door down for a deserved start?)
For the record, it's one start and one goal for Fuller this season, by the way.
The man's 32 not 72 - a year older than our £12m signing.
As we know with the Woodgate selection at right-back, Walters' consistently shocking recent performances, Pennant's consistent non-selection, Shotton on the wing etc, there is sometmes no rhyme nor reason - certainly no deeper understanding of "what's going on at the training pitch" at work with some of his selection decisions.
Some players acquire the status of undroppable, and that's it for the foreseeble in his rigid mind.
Something has certainly changed in his perception of Fuller, but I'm not certain it can be laid at the feet of what he's actually producing on the pitch.
Physically, he certainly seems the same specimen he was 15-18 months ago
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 1, 2012 11:11:54 GMT
Come back and tell me when any of our other forwards do more than "run around brightly for 15 minutes" (with apologies to Jerome who surely can do no more in hammering the door down for a deserved start?) For the record, it's one start and one goal for Fuller this season, by the way. The man's 32 not 72 - a year older than our £12m signing. As we know with the Woodgate selection at right-back, Walters' consistently shocking recent performances, Pennant's consistent non-selection, Shotton on the wing etc, there is sometmes no rhyme nor reason - certainly no deeper understanding of "what's going on at the training pitch" at work with some of his selection decisions. Some players acquire the status of undroppable, and that's it for the foreseeble in his rigid mind. Something has certainly changed in his perception of Fuller, but I'm not it can be laid at the feet of what he's actually producing on the pitch. Physically, he certainly seems the same specimen he was 15-18 months ago *applauds* |
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Post by stokecitydom on Feb 1, 2012 11:16:38 GMT
In Ric's 5 minutes here and 15 minutes there, he has looked more lively and threatening than most.
Against Derby, he slipped or may have been been clipped (not seen it other than ive and it was hard to tell). But at least he gambled on a flick on and anticipated that he may be in. Something that Walters does not do.
Just because he hasn't dribbled from the half way line skinned 3 defenders and then scored, it doesn't mean that he is having an effect.
At Derby the team seemed to be lifted by having Ric on the pitch. We kept the ball better and looked threatening. He slipped on the one on one, won a few corners, kept the ball and took few players on. Something that we miss when hes on the bench.
Against Liverpool, in the 5 mins he was on, there was a soft foul given against him, when he had run the channel and cut inside. Also, there were a few occasions late on where Ric made a run, but because we have limited vision in the middle of the park nobody played him in.
Basically Ric offers so much more than any other forward we have. Even if he isn't quite as quick and powerful as he once was. Even in the cameo appearances he has shown that he still has alot to offer.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 1, 2012 11:20:16 GMT
Fuller still offers more (on limited game time too) than any other forward we have, for the tactics we employ.
Anything else is conjecture.
When/if we ever evolve, then feel free to get rid and get better and nore suitable players in.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 1, 2012 11:20:36 GMT
I would love to be proved wrong but.....
Check the stats for the previous 2/3 seasons ( before Fullers injury) and you will see that Fuller has become an impact sub. He hasn't started games regularly for about three years
If he wasn't starting games before his injury then he certainly won't be starting any (many) games at Stoke before he departs
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Post by superjonnywalters on Feb 1, 2012 11:20:43 GMT
Come back and tell me when any of our other forwards do more than "run around brightly for 15 minutes" (with apologies to Jerome who surely can do no more in hammering the door down for a deserved start?) For the record, it's one start and one goal for Fuller this season, by the way. The man's 32 not 72 - a year older than our £12m signing. As we know with the Woodgate selection at right-back, Walters' consistently shocking recent performances, Pennant's consistent non-selection, Shotton on the wing etc, there is sometmes no rhyme nor reason - certainly no deeper understanding of "what's going on at the training pitch" at work with some of his selection decisions. Some players acquire the status of undroppable, and that's it for the foreseeble in his rigid mind. Something has certainly changed in his perception of Fuller, but I'm not certain it can be laid at the feet of what he's actually producing on the pitch. Physically, he certainly seems the same specimen he was 15-18 months ago Bravo. Well said sir. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 1, 2012 11:24:59 GMT
I appreciaye everything hes done for us...but hes 32 now. Not goin the plYEr he was 2 or 3 years ago however much you or I or anyone else wants him too....Sometimes you have to move on...remember the good times, be thankful for those good times and focus on the future Crouch is 31 Dan. Shall we sack him off too? We wouldnt get £3 million for him if we did ;D £10 million is ridiculous for a 31 year old. |
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Feb 1, 2012 13:03:17 GMT
OK the stats - not quite as damning as I'd imagined but you get the picture....
Fuller Appearances; League only
2007/08 Start 39 Sub 3
2008/09 Start 25 Sub 9
2009/10 Start 22 Sub 13
2010/11 Start 9 Sub 19
2011/12 Start 0 Sub 4
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2012 13:07:17 GMT
He isn't starting because Pulis is a welsh prick! (just for MCF  ) There has been nothing wrong with Ric's form or performance throughout his time at Stoke. He has had bad games for sure (Watford away in promotion season springs immediately to mind) but for the most part he has been our best and only attacking threat. Even the game that saw him dropped and inexplicably bombed out, v Blackpool at home last season, he was our best forward, could have had a hat-trick from chances he created himself and he missed a couple created by others. He missed chances and we lost 1-0 but he didn't play badly. He finished appallingly but he didn't play badly. He is our shining light whenever he plays for however long he plays for, as his 90 minutes in Turkey, his 15 minutes at Derby and his 4 minutes at Anfield showed. Ric should play and the only reason he doesn't is because Pulis, the stubborn welsh prick, prefers plodders like Walters and standing statues like Crouch, Mama and KJ. I would play Fuller and Jerome on Saturday with Pennant and Etherington wide. Won't happen, but that is what I would do. We don't win long pump forward balls anyway and with those two, we could hit the channels and get Sunderland turned around a bit more and under pressure. Pissing in the wind on this one but what the hell! |
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Post by mcf on Feb 1, 2012 13:31:55 GMT
They would be my 4 as well.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 1, 2012 13:32:57 GMT
Majority of fans see that Ricardo is no longer the player he used to be, hes no.longer the quickest, the most powerful,the most skilful player at the club...Hes no longer first name on the team.sheet. Hes not the player he used to be...Fuller has been.brilliant fir us, one of best players of midern generation. But all good things come to an end. Every player has a time frame at a club and sometimes that time comes to an end before majority of fans want it to. Im sorry but the future of Stoke isnt Ricardo Fuller. TP thinks so, hence reason starting/bringing Jerome on ahead of him Ric has more skill in his little finger than the rest of the squad added together |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 14:01:28 GMT
That's garbage, Wisey. Utter garbage. His 15 minutes at Derby and his cameo at Gillingham were as bright as anything he has produced in his 5 and a half years here It's amazing that judgements can be performed on his fleeting cameos. He has not started aleague game for THIRTEEN months, and often has 8 or 9 minutes to try and shake things up. Come back and remind me when he's done something - running around 'brightly' for 15 minutes doesn't count No-one knows Fuller better than TP and if he was the match winner of old don't you think the manager would know that I hope, as we all do, that Fuller does come back to his prime but the years and injuries tell a different story. Lets hope that we do get to see a flash of the old Ricardo before he almost certainly departs the club for pastures new in the summer One start this season, one goal, Gave the team the kick in the pants needed against Gillingham and Derby Worried Liverpool in the four minutes on the pitch, ghosting round two defenders in the box before being pulled up (arguably harshly) for a foul. One of the few prepared to give Citeh anything to think about. What exactly are you basing his "power and the pace have gone" thing on? |
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Post by hchpotter on Feb 1, 2012 15:21:37 GMT
If Ric really is as good as some on here suggest why haven't other clubs stumped up wads of cash for him?
Why has been content to stay at the club for so long?
Why hasn't he smashed in goals regularly at the highest level? (Even when he wasn't managed by Tony Pulis)
Ric's a decent striker who's capable of producing thrilling moments occasionally. He's got more talent than most of the squad but has been cruelly afflicted with injury after injury. Perhaps Pulis threw him on and asked him to go down the left because he realised that Ferdinand was strolling through the game completely untroubled and Ric might have a better chance of getting something out of the right back and then cutting inside to have a pop.
I like the bloke , he gets you on the edge of your seat but he never has been a world beater has he? Injury cost him the chance of a big club (Liverpool) but sub for Stoke in the top half of the premiership is about where he desrves to be at this stage in his career.
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Post by stokelad84 on Feb 1, 2012 15:54:54 GMT
Just a shame we don't play in the same league as Derby and Gillingham hey.
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Post by superjonnywalters on Feb 1, 2012 16:02:40 GMT
Football is an entertainment industry.
As fans we all want to see our team win, that is the bottom line. We'd all take a scrappy 1-0 win over a thrilling 4-3 loss.
You do want to be entertained though and when you're shelling out hundreds or thousands of your hard earned pounds out each year it is nice to have something to get you off your seats every now and then.
Over the past few years we've added a better calibre of player to the squad. We've now got Crouch, Kenwyne, Etherington, Pennant and Walters yet when it comes to pure enjoyment, unpredicatably, talent, tricks, magic and "entertainment" - Ric is still by far the best we've got.
Over the years he's been worth the entrance fee alone and in his fleeting appearances this season he's shown he's still got it.
Yes, winning games is still the most important thing to me as a fan but please don't sacrfiice every bit of enjoyment from the game.
Long live Ricardo Fuller.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 1, 2012 16:53:47 GMT
I've been really impressed with Jerome, i was massively underwhelmed when we signed him but he's got something about him. I'd still start Fuller on Saturday though |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 1, 2012 19:27:12 GMT
I don't mind if we've decided he can't start games (I don't believe it by the way) but surely to Christ we can get more than 5 bastard minutes here or there?
As for Sunderland; I'd play either Ric or Jerome alongside Crouch as JW simply isn't playing well (mostly down to fatigue I suspect).
If we go with Jerome then let's give Ric a good 30 minutes if we do need to make a change.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 1, 2012 19:28:55 GMT
Just a shame we don't play in the same league as Derby and Gillingham hey. Eh up, the liar is back and he's on his favourite topic. Slagging one of our modern day legends off. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 1, 2012 19:44:35 GMT
leave him to his Andy Cooke posters, Jamo
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 1, 2012 20:07:22 GMT
He isn't starting because Pulis is a welsh prick! (just for MCF ) There has been nothing wrong with Ric's form or performance throughout his time at Stoke. He has had bad games for sure (Watford away in promotion season springs immediately to mind) but for the most part he has been our best and only attacking threat. Even the game that saw him dropped and inexplicably bombed out, v Blackpool at home last season, he was our best forward, could have had a hat-trick from chances he created himself and he missed a couple created by others. He missed chances and we lost 1-0 but he didn't play badly. He finished appallingly but he didn't play badly. He is our shining light whenever he plays for however long he plays for, as his 90 minutes in Turkey, his 15 minutes at Derby and his 4 minutes at Anfield showed. Ric should play and the only reason he doesn't is because Pulis, the stubborn welsh prick who prefers plodders like Walters and standing statues like Crouch, Mama and KJ. I would play Fuller and Jerome on Saturday with Pennant and Etherington wide. Won't happen, but that is what I would do. We don't win long pumped forward balls anyway and with those two, we could hit the channels and get Sunderland turned around a bit more and under pressure. Pissing in the wind on this one, particulary now jokelad has arrived with his twopennethworth, but what the hell! |
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Post by herkbloke on Feb 1, 2012 21:05:28 GMT
Fuller is about the only player we have that can create something out of the shit produced by the rest of the team. He's about the only player who can still get us on our feet, holding our breath and believing in the impossible. Foe Stokelad et al to mock him, as if he's nothing, borders on disgraceful.
I hope Jerome can take on the mantle of Ric but i'll not hold my breath. He needs to 'know his place' and have the skill 'trained' out of him. That way he can shuffle around up top waiting for a rare well delivered set piece or a knock on from some aimless hoof.
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Feb 1, 2012 21:16:55 GMT
Just a shame we don't play in the same league as Derby and Gillingham hey. Strange that you're quite happy to hammer Ricardo, but the second anyone says a bad word about Rory or Mama it's all "Think what he's done for the club.... How dare you disrespect a legend blah blah blah" Bashing your clubs own players, disgraceful |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 21:34:21 GMT
At the moment I'm really not looking forward to Saturday. At the minute I can't see anything other than another crap home performance and the potential loss of three points. I would really love to see Fuller, Jerome, JP and Matty in tandem as IMO they would provide a genuine goal threat. You just know its going to be the usual suspects of Crouchie and Walters with Shotton on the right. I just don't know how many more of these turgid home performances I can take.
For me Fuller has been the shining light in a dark tunnel of Tony Pulis football. Thank God we had him and Liam Lawrence in the promotion season and thank God for Ric in our first season promoted. I just want to see some decent footie, is that really too much to ask?
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