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Post by knowingeye on Jan 16, 2012 18:05:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 19:28:40 GMT
Mmm....Am I surprised no one has commented on this thread...? Well , yes and no. You see we now sit at the top table and anything that doesn't really affect us directly most fans ignore. The same I suppose could be said for your 'average' supporter from any club , but what they fail to see is that the three examples you mention are just the tip of the iceberg. It's a very sad state of affairs when the diversity of species is about to decline at an alarming rate.It is not healthy, nor is it good for the overall prospects for the future of English football in general. It would appear that this type of attitude is not just the sole preserve of football but for life in general...''I'm alright Jack ''.
Whilst the English FA can pay the likes of Crapello £5 million a year to pay the Italian pensioner an extortionate amount of money to manage the England team , nothing it would seem can be done to help out those clubs that are really struggling in this financial climate.
British football just seems to be on a path of self imposed destruction where everything is directed towards the top heavy bias of the Premiership. Not until this ridiculous imbalance in financial clout is seriously addressed will anything positive be achieved.
Kettering today ...and dare I say Port Vale or Plymouth tomorrow.....
Who gives a fuck..?
No , not I ...I'm alright Jack.
mumf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 19:41:05 GMT
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Post by Pricey on Jan 16, 2012 19:41:32 GMT
Mmm....Am I surprised no one has commented on this thread...? Well , yes and no. You see we now sit at the top table and anything that doesn't really affect us directly most fans ignore. The same I suppose could be said for your 'average' supporter from any club , but what they fail to see is that the three examples you mention are just the tip of the iceberg. It's a very sad state of affairs when the diversity of species is about to decline at an alarming rate.It is not healthy, nor is it good for the overall prospects for the future of English football in general. It would appear that this type of attitude is not just the sole preserve of football but for life in general...''I'm alright Jack ''. Whilst the English FA can pay the likes of Crapello £5 million a year to pay the Italian pensioner an extortionate amount of money to manage the England team , nothing it would seem can be done to help out those clubs that are really struggling in this financial climate. British football just seems to be on a path of self imposed destruction where everything is directed towards the top heavy bias of the Premiership. Not until this ridiculous imbalance in financial clout is seriously addressed will anything positive be achieved. Kettering today ...and dare I say Port Vale or Plymouth tomorrow..... Who gives a fuck..? No , not I ...I'm alright Jack. mumf We're actually the only country with such a deep league structure. In Spain you have reserve teams of the big two playing fairly high up and in Italy and Germany you have regional divisions after the first two or three. This is probably part of the problem because it costs more money for the likes of Darlington (although they are a special case with the stadium) and Kettering to get around the country to their away matches. But yeah, the I'm alright jack mentality is alive and well unfortunately. Or "charity begins at home" as most would prefer. |
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Post by manchesterpotter on Jan 16, 2012 19:43:08 GMT
People haven't commented because there's another thread about clubs going down the shitpan.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Jan 16, 2012 20:08:46 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 16, 2012 21:01:06 GMT
Football was once about community, now it is about a subscription to a satellite TV broadcaster.  The idea is that those Kettering, Coventry, Darlington supporters (the ones that are left and those of the future) will be absorbed into the ever expanding Man Utd, City, Liverpool, Chelsea & Arsenal fan clubs. That will do nicely for Sky. Its similar to what Tescos and Sainsburys are doing to small businesses, killing them off one by one and absorbing their income. We are doing all right thank you at the moment, but lets not get too complacent. |
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Post by guernseydave on Jan 16, 2012 21:20:15 GMT
If the Vampyric one or his family decided to take his gullible punters money elsewhere we'd be right royally fucked GD |
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Post by oasis on Jan 16, 2012 22:20:26 GMT
VALE!
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Post by echetus on Jan 16, 2012 22:33:22 GMT
Port Vale will almost certainly enter administration in 2012. If not and the current board remain in place or the old board return then the club probably should go into administration but won't actually do it because the guys at the top wish to bleed the last few drops out of the club before the council and the other creditors can get their hands on the cash they lent in good faith (the faith that the money would be repaid). How bad the meltdown situation is won't be known until the administrators come in and assess things, I would think that the situation can be salvaged and the club run a tight ship for a few years with Micky Adams keeping the club in League Two.
One thing that recent past has told us that Football League clubs almost always get saved no matter how many millions they are in debt, it is the relegation to the no-mans land of the Conference that completely destroys any belief that enough cash can be raised to make the club workable again. I think every season there is at least one club in the Conference National/North/South that hits the wall.
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Post by gb on Jan 16, 2012 22:42:53 GMT
Its all old stuff this is ..
got anything new ?
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Post by ricksastokie on Jan 17, 2012 0:19:32 GMT
My local team Welling United in the Blue Square South are doing well this year but still struggle immensely just to keep their heads above water.
They still have to travel to Truro and Weston-Super-Mare virtually the other side of the country even though they are in a regional division.
Their attendances average only about 700 and without the fund raising activities of the club members they probably would have gone under.
I know all this because my best mate who supports Arsenal doesn't go to the Emirates any more he goes to Park View Welling ;D
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Post by prem4stoke on Jan 17, 2012 0:25:16 GMT
It's getting pretty obvious but sad that there are 1 or 2 divisions too many
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Post by santy on Jan 17, 2012 0:54:34 GMT
The problem is, how is it fair on all the clubs who do live within their means if the FA or anyone else starts giving hand-outs to clubs who get in a mess? It isn't fair on the fans if their club does go under, but its not fair to the fans of clubs who are doing what they must to keep their heads above water.
At the same time, clubs at the top are accustomed to certain incomes, if you go into work tomorrow and get told theres roughly a quid an hour coming off your wage you'd find yourself in a bit of a mess with upcoming liabilities and future outgoings in most circumstances. So you can't just take from A to give to B, and you can't just give to B when C is in the same position, but just been more careful.
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Post by mica on Jan 17, 2012 5:31:41 GMT
There was a thread about Darlo a few days ago. I think a majority of Stoke supporters would sympathise with the clubs that are in trouble. Every side like Darl and Coventry that goes bust makes football in England poorer.
The question is what can we do about it? Personally, I don't have a spare 10 million I can lend them (I did have but girlfriend number 2 wanted a new pad in St Tropez this year and it was time for me to replace the Ferraris.)
And, surprisingly, neither the FA or the government have asked for my input recently.
The real question is how can we make sure that clubs are run properly so they don't get into this sort of mess? (Bear in mind that the list of clubs that have got into trouble in the past is a long one. York, anyone? Bradford?)
The first thing that competent management would do is decide what level their club should operate at. If it's Darlo, their place is L1 or L2 and if they shouldn't spend money in the hope of getting higher than that. In the case of Coventry, it's probably Champ or L1 and maybe a tilt at the Prem if things go well within budget.
The point is, when clubs are clear what their place in the world is, they must set a budget that fits within their income and then stick with it. If that means they cap wages at, say, 2 grand a week and have half their players part-timers, that's OK. That doesn't mean their club is rubbish, just that it only gets gates of a certain size.
Supporters maybe need a mindset change. Those of clubs like Darl need to understand what their club's strategy is and enjoy each game rather than dreaming that they're going to get promoted and take on Chelsea and Man Utd.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Jan 17, 2012 8:36:12 GMT
to be honest it's not just uk based clubs. My son plays for the under 19's of sporting mahones in the spanish third division and it's highly likely they will have to resign from the league next week as they can't afford to pay their players and several have left. This is a club that was promoted 2 seasons ago and has held it's own on the pitch but not financially. Very sad to see a club with over100 years history and a club that has given so much to the local community disapear. Very very sad.  |
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Post by Bamford on Jan 17, 2012 10:18:19 GMT
and you can't just give to B when C is in the same position, but just been more careful. The goverment do it all the time mate, its called means testing. your pension and all sorts goes down if you've saved up all your life |
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Post by liathroid on Jan 17, 2012 11:38:12 GMT
Coventry have a big problem ,they don't own the stadium.We were lucky PC bought out the council and all money now goes to us
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Post by knowingeye on Jan 19, 2012 11:08:24 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 19, 2012 11:40:19 GMT
Thor specialities have bought it out, protest this morning at 10AM, anybody seen Skysports, says they were trying to get them there. www.northwichvics.co.uk/the management team walked out on Monday to join Airbus in the taffy league |
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Post by Northy on Jan 19, 2012 13:27:01 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jan 19, 2012 20:53:26 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 19, 2012 22:13:45 GMT
Sad news about Northwhich.
For a club playing at that level to survive this willl be nothing short of a miracle!
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Post by knowingeye on Jan 26, 2012 8:14:37 GMT
"This is as bad as it can get for Portsmouth without the club ceasing to exist."
Those are the words of Guy Thomas, a leading insolvency lawyer and football finance expert.
It sums up the grave situation that Portsmouth now find themselves in after being issued with a winding-up petition by HM Revenue and Customs over unpaid tax on Tuesday.
It was just another sorry episode in the club's recent troubled history, once again putting their place in English football in doubt.
BBC Sport talks to Thomas, who analyses the implications of Pompey's latest financial disaster.news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16710949.stm
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jan 26, 2012 8:27:57 GMT
I'd imagine that West Ham could go the same way if they keep up with what they are doing and don't gain promotion.
Kalou on loan, you got to be having a laugh.
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 11, 2012 9:45:07 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Feb 11, 2012 11:10:09 GMT
But did you read about Bayern Munich loaning B, Dortmund 2million ten years ago to keep them going.
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2012 15:33:09 GMT
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Post by knowingeye on Feb 13, 2012 17:45:35 GMT
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