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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2011 9:52:25 GMT
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Post by tazi on Dec 16, 2011 10:06:06 GMT
I can only assume that it's a personal vandetta against Foy because he may have rammed his (0(k 3A115 deep into his partners A55.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Dec 16, 2011 10:12:13 GMT
Lawton is a clueless twat who dreams up bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:16:52 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! |
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Post by diaofan on Dec 16, 2011 10:17:25 GMT
... or he's found a topic which is boosting the hits on his articles, so he's going to keep churning them our for a while?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:19:07 GMT
... or he's found a topic which is boosting the hits on his articles, so he's going to keep churning them our for a while? Don't be daft, it's not as if it's his job to write stories that sell papers is it? oh, hang on...... |
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Post by rockhead163 on Dec 16, 2011 10:20:52 GMT
I tend to agree with his comments in general.
When you compare football to rugby, then rugby have the perfect solution to how to officiate a game. The important decisions are reviewed if the on field referees cannot 100% confirm the correct action. Add to that, there is no disrespect towards the ref as penalties will be instantly given. All of these don't alter the flow of the game.
Cricket, every decision an umpire makes is review by a forth umpire to see if he meets the criteria set, difficulty of the decision, any doubts to be had and more importantly, was the correct decision acheived. The introduction of the appeal process is in some eyes debatable but in the most correct. However I dont think this would work in football.
Technology has to be introduced to the game, even if it through the ear piece of the ref from the forth official. A decision can be pulled up and whilst the player is called to the ref the forth official can review it and the correct result be given.
Journo's will get the introduction of the technology eventually through poor articles like this one, but it does seem to the average Stoke fan that these articles tend to involve Stoke City more than most other teams.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:27:21 GMT
to be fair Rockhead thats because there have been a large amount of articles this week about the same subject and it was because of Foy's decision making and rightly so.
Don't get me wrong i'm thrilled we took three points off a team i expected to get nothing from but we were seriously lucky and if Foy HAD been half decent we'd have lost, that simple.
But nowhere in any of the articles have i seen ANYONE slagging US off for the game; it's the ref they're criticising NOT us. Just typical paranoia on here that if our game is mentioned it's because there's a vendetta against us (yawn!)
NO IT'S NOT, IT'S BECAUSE THE GAME WHERE THERE WAS SOME OF THE WORST REFEREEING SO FAR THIS SEASON WAS A GAME WE WERE INVOLVED IN!!! END OF STORY!!! NO ONE IS BLAMING US FOR IT!!
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 16, 2011 10:33:58 GMT
I agee with his gist.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 16, 2011 10:40:56 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! The previous two articles were farcical nonsense written by a bitter old hack with prejudices to pedal and whilst this article is different it begs the question would it be published in a national newspaper if Foy had ‘robbed’ Stoke on Sunday? Would it still be news five days after the game? Of course not and that's the real inequity in the game. |
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Post by rockhead163 on Dec 16, 2011 10:42:42 GMT
MMLC i am not moaning about the mention we get in this article or related ones this week. I agree with you the result was great for us and if the decisions made it that way then great also, but the constant MoTD 1/2 always have a snipe about us. Talkshite we seem to be their main topic and then the countless negative match reports we have add to it.
The tide will turn when technology is introduced and the so called big teams favourbility will be no more. It just take toss articles where we get a mention to force the issue.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 16, 2011 10:43:58 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! To be fair mate when he called our fans Zombies I think he set himself up to be shot at. This article adds further weight to the suggestion that he is a Top Four Pet who has gained success by pandering to the sentiments of those who follow the most successful clubs. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Dec 16, 2011 10:44:45 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! you clearly haven't read the previous two articles written by Mr Lawton since the Spurs game. Why write this article now? Why not after crouch cheated us out of points against spurs under the supervision of the same referee? Or the numerous other diabolical decisions that went against us in the early part of last season? He writes when some big decisions have gone against his own side. Refs are no worse now than they have ever been, they are just under more scrutiny. I agree with his article, but not with his agenda of focusing against Stoke and for Spurs because of 1 game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:45:48 GMT
Rockhead i don't agree AT ALL about MOTD sniping at us, in fact the pundits and hosts almost always try to get across the point that we are not just a hoof ball side and specifically for this match said how well we played in the first half saying "It was far more like the Stoke we are used to, pressing, harrying etc."
About the only one who does snipe at us is Jonathan Pearce but then again he snipes against ANY team that happen to be facing the top four that week if he's commentating especially if it's against his wanabe lover Old Red nose!
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Post by rockhead163 on Dec 16, 2011 10:47:15 GMT
So you don't agree that Lineker and Pat Nevin are negative towards us then?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:52:26 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! To be fair mate when he called our fans Zombies I think he set himself up to be shot at. This article adds further weight to the suggestion that he is a Top Four Pet who has gained success by pandering to the sentiments of those who follow the most successful clubs. That's my point though, when he does slate us then fine he'll get it back with both barrels but THIS article doesn't slate us in ANY way! As i said in my OP, i have no problem with going at him where it's warranted but deciding he has a vendetta because he actually makes some valid points about a game we just happened to be involved in very tenuously reaching for an excuse to resurrect this paranoia that some on here seem to have. Lawton makes very valid,reasoned points in this article and on the whole is spot on. Just because the game involved us does not in any way imply that he is slating us and those that have read the full article will see he doesn't at any point criticise us in any way. I just hate the paranoia that's around (and unwarranted from what i can see) and the threads that appear with an attention grabbing title when in reality the article being used does absolutely nothing like the OP said it does in terms of proving a "Vendetta" against us. As i said earlier, if anything it just shows that the OP is actually selective reading and just as much of a tabloid-esque, attention grabbing thread title as most of the tabloid rubbish it's supposedly being upset by. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 16, 2011 10:55:48 GMT
To be fair mate when he called our fans Zombies I think he set himself up to be shot at. This article adds further weight to the suggestion that he is a Top Four Pet who has gained success by pandering to the sentiments of those who follow the most successful clubs. That's my point though, when he does slate us then fine he'll get it back with both barrels but THIS article doesn't slate us in ANY way! As i said in my OP, i have no problem with going at him where it's warranted but deciding he has a vendetta because he actually makes some valid points about a game we just happened to be involved in very tenuously reaching for an excuse to resurrect this paranoia that some on here seem to have. Lawton makes very valid,reasoned points in this article and on the whole is spot on. Just because the game involved us does not in any way imply that he is slating us and those that have read the full article will see he doesn't at any point criticise us in any way. I just hate the paranoia that's around (and unwarranted from what i can see) and the threads that appear with an attention grabbing title when in reality the article being used does absolutely nothing like the OP said it does in terms of proving a "Vendetta" against us. As i said earlier, if anything it just shows that the OP is actually selective reading and just as much of a tabloid-esque, attention grabbing thread title as most of the tabloid rubbish it's supposedly being upset by. True but as has already been said I don't recall him penning a similar article last year after we faced a run of shite decisions eg. Crouch handball. I agree that some go overboard with the "They all hate us!!" but this bloke strikes me as someone fully deserving of all the bile we can muster. And if you look at his pic he looks like a right tosser.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:56:03 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that. Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! you clearly haven't read the previous two articles written by Mr Lawton since the Spurs game. Why write this article now? Why not after crouch cheated us out of points against spurs under the supervision of the same referee? Or the numerous other diabolical decisions that went against us in the early part of last season? He writes when some big decisions have gone against his own side. Refs are no worse now than they have ever been, they are just under more scrutiny. I agree with his article, but not with his agenda of focusing against Stoke and for Spurs because of 1 game. The simple fact is that the game hasn't been focussed on because it was us and they have a vendetta against us; it's because of the fact that although there are other examples of bad decision making in a lot of games (hence the reason why a lot of articles before our game have been written this season re: referees getting worse etc.) , there are very few occasions when there are SO many made in one game. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:57:45 GMT
So you don't agree that Lineker and Pat Nevin are negative towards us then? Pat Nevin yes but he isn't on MOTD that much to be fair, he's usually spouting his rubbish on the radio or Channel 5 and is counter acted by a more reasonable pundit (that's what makes viewing/listening figures a la that trash on Talkshite with Durham being the bad cop) Lineker, to be fair i've never heard him slate us actually. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 10:59:03 GMT
That's my point though, when he does slate us then fine he'll get it back with both barrels but THIS article doesn't slate us in ANY way! As i said in my OP, i have no problem with going at him where it's warranted but deciding he has a vendetta because he actually makes some valid points about a game we just happened to be involved in very tenuously reaching for an excuse to resurrect this paranoia that some on here seem to have. Lawton makes very valid,reasoned points in this article and on the whole is spot on. Just because the game involved us does not in any way imply that he is slating us and those that have read the full article will see he doesn't at any point criticise us in any way. I just hate the paranoia that's around (and unwarranted from what i can see) and the threads that appear with an attention grabbing title when in reality the article being used does absolutely nothing like the OP said it does in terms of proving a "Vendetta" against us. As i said earlier, if anything it just shows that the OP is actually selective reading and just as much of a tabloid-esque, attention grabbing thread title as most of the tabloid rubbish it's supposedly being upset by. I agree that some go overboard with the "They all hate us!!" but this bloke strikes me as someone fully deserving of all the bile we can muster. And if you look at his pic he looks like a right tosser. If we'd had 4 or 5 big game changing decisions in ONE match then i'm sure the media would have been just as vocal. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 16, 2011 11:12:50 GMT
True but as has already been said I don't recall him penning a similar article last year after we faced a run of shite decisions eg. Crouch handball. I agree that some go overboard with the "They all hate us!!" but this bloke strikes me as someone fully deserving of all the bile we can muster. And if you look at his pic he looks like a right tosser. If we'd had 4 or 5 big game changing decisions in ONE match then i'm sure the media would have been just as vocal. I seem to remember being royally shafted a few times away v Sunderland and the media hardly came out in outraged support for us. The fact is journos like Lawton earn their crust by pandering to the establishment. It's rare to find one with a voice that truly represents the average football fan. His attitude towards us is one of thinly veiled disdain.....our players are robots and we are zombies. He deserves every ounce of shit hurled at him. |
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 16, 2011 11:29:38 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that.Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! Even if you accept that Foy cost Spurs a goal and three penalties, without the benefit of super-slo-mo, freeze-frame and 58 camera angles, how many of his mistakes would anyone else have spotted? I would suggest only the Adebayor goal and Shawcross vs Kaboul; the "offside" was the liner's call and the "wrestling" was going on all over the place. I accept what you're saying about Lawton not targeting Stoke in this article, but I think that some of the stick that Foy's received is a little unfair. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 16, 2011 11:40:34 GMT
it's not a vendetta against us at all! does it say ANYWHERE in the article that we are cheats? that we broke the rules? that WE did anything wrong? No, it's a vendetta against the referee and the fact that they are definitely getting worse, which is true. I notice how you fail to mention the "vendetta" he obviously therefore also has against Germany for the Lampard goal, Henry for his handball and Zidane for headbutting? No, you focus on the fact that he mentions the Stoke Spurs game and nothing else...making you just as much of a selective reporter as Lawton has been in the past. Fair enough to criticise or become outraged if he slags us off if you want but he hasn't, he criticised Foy for making some awful decisions in a particular game and i don't really see how anyone can disagree with that.Can we please get out of this childish "The world hates poor little Stoke" standpoint, it's bloody embarassing! Even if you accept that Foy cost Spurs a goal and three penalties, without the benefit of super-slo-mo, freeze-frame and 58 camera angles, how many of his mistakes would anyone else have spotted? I would suggest only the Adebayor goal and Shawcross vs Kaboul; the "offside" was the liner's call and the "wrestling" was going on all over the place. I accept what you're saying about Lawton not targeting Stoke in this article, but I think that some of the stick that Foy's received is a little unfair. Of course, the real question is why Lawton was writing the same article after our game against QPR or any other game that has seen a refereeing travesty that hasn't affected Tottenham. Objectivity is just something that other people partake in. It's a great laugh that he's written an article criticising our supporters for being partisan, when his 'I love Tottenham, I love Redknapp' articles are as laughably biased and one sided as you could get. |
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