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Post by heavysoul on Nov 14, 2011 19:12:12 GMT
Was looking at the Bolton Wanderers (Burnden Aces) and saw this thread. Just wandered what people thought?
It's crap following Bolton Wanderers. Little passion, mid table the best we can ever hope for, a team full of overpaid ponces that don’t give a shite about the white shirt and a manager who resembles a pop up puppet.
I watched the FA Cup at the weekend with pure jealousy. What was I jealous of? Fans of teams like Hinkley, Tamworth, Totton, Stourbridge etc. That's what real football is about. Real grounds, real players and most of all real fans with real hope that one day, in their lifetime, they will reach the big time.
We've reached the big time and it stinks. Never has football been so predictable and devoid of passion. The journey to the big time is a hundred times more enjoyable, I feel sorry for fans that weren't around to see our rise up the leagues in the 1990's.
Did you see those Tamworth fans on Saturday? Literally dancing for joy in the stands. It brought a tear to my eye. I would swap everything the Premier League brings to be in their position.
How much longer can we put up with this drivel called the Premier League? Sky have hyped it up so much people actually believe it’s the most entertaining league in the world. In truth, it’s like watching paint dry on a freezing day.
I know you all agree with me, together we need to come up with a solution before we all die of boredom. Can you, hand on heart, say you actually enjoy watching football these days?
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Post by manchesterpotter on Nov 14, 2011 19:24:16 GMT
I can understand why he feels that way.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 14, 2011 19:28:56 GMT
'Kin ell, if he feels that way, I wonder how the fans of the team they hammered in the last game feel?   |
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Post by TheBra1n on Nov 14, 2011 20:15:40 GMT
didnt we debate this at length before we got promoted, and to a point its hard to argue, mid table teams like Fulham etc have nothing much to play for, there is no trophy or celebration for finishing 9th in the premier league, and the only real action involves maybe 5 or 6 teams at the top and 6 or 8 at the bottom end the rest dont relly have anything to play for other than the last Europa place and half of them dont want the added burden of all those extra games. some say its maybe better to be a west brom type that bounces up and down every season, at least they have a more interesting time of it.
for me as a 70's fan i am delighted to be in the premier league for all its faults, ive seen the lower leagues and ive been to these "real" grounds all to often and truley hope i NEVER have to go to them again.
If the Notlob fan is longing for a return to those times for his beloved whites then i can only assume he's laying down the groundwork now for what might be just around the corner for them.
Sometimes people need to remember to be careful what they wish for
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Post by robboc on Nov 14, 2011 20:18:41 GMT
You've seen them dancing for joy for one game on tv and you reckon its great. I bet its absolutely terrible for the rest of the time and they'd swap with us in a heart beat. I don't think some people appreciate what we've got.
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Post by jonah77 on Nov 14, 2011 20:21:47 GMT
i sometimes take a nostalgic look back to the days when we were in the lower leagues and,admittedley,on occasion remember them with fondness,but really,really thinking about it,going to places like colchester,wrexham and bury were pretty wank.i did have a good laugh though.
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Post by thegreedyzebra on Nov 15, 2011 8:18:34 GMT
there is just no pleasing some people. If Bolton went down, what would they be trying to do? Get back to the top? So why not just stay there in the first place  |
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 15, 2011 8:24:18 GMT
there is just no pleasing some people. If Bolton went down, what would they be trying to do? Get back to the top? So why not just stay there in the first place I think you've missed his point! |
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Nov 15, 2011 8:42:59 GMT
You've seen them dancing for joy for one game on tv and you reckon its great. I bet its absolutely terrible for the rest of the time and they'd swap with us in a heart beat. I don't think some people appreciate what we've got. they have something to aim for, they can dream about one day getting to higher divisions or drawing one of the big clubs in the cup. It carnt get much better for us and we have a lot more to lose than to gain, thats why i carnt understand the negativity of some of our fans |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 15, 2011 9:22:47 GMT
Am I missing the point here?
It's nothing to do with mid-table finishes is it? A finish is a finish and appears only once the last game is played.
It's the actual season that counts, the 38 matches against the likes of ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal ManCiteh. The fact that we could beat them, should beat them, might just beat them . . . and if we don't striving to beat the buggers next season.
It's about putting your team, little old Stoke, against some of the world's best Saturday after Saturday after Saturday and sometimes getting the result that sends everyone into a state of unbridled joy and excitement.
You just don't get the same feeling playing Telford or Tamworth in the first round of the FA Cup or making the trips to Torquay or Darlington, whatever the result, now do you?
As someone has already said, be careful what you wish for!
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Post by RAF on Nov 15, 2011 9:30:17 GMT
I thinks it's time we crawled back out of our own arses and realised we are on par with the likes of Bolton.
We shouldn't be getting cunted 5-0 by them, but we have no ultimate right to beat them either.
It's time we realised unless TP has some kind of footballing epiphany that mid table and maybe a little bit more and a good cup run is all we can ever hope for.
I'm happy with that to be honest, as long as I can say the team gave their best and our best available team was selected.
H
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 15, 2011 9:38:25 GMT
i agree to an extent - the best full season for me has been our promotion season to the prem - so many glorious memories!
That was all topped with our wembley performance against bolton though. that was little old stoke standing out for the world to see. If we had played like that in the final then we would have destroyed even man city i truly believe.
Going back to my London home after thrashing bolton and having my hand shook by arsenal fans saying things like 'you were brilliant today, would have beaten anyone.' and 'good luck in final.' was amazing - and we deserved it.
Teams like stoke and bolton can still aspire to cup glory, we just ran out of gas for the final, but there's always next season.
Another example - thrashing arsenal towards the end of last season, destroying chelsea only to somehow draw with them - what a goal johnny walters! still a lot great about football, but it could be better - bring on those financial restrictions from uefa i say, and lets hope it produces a more level playing field for teams like us.
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Post by SCFC92 on Nov 15, 2011 13:05:26 GMT
NO I love where we are now, a growing name, my team, my city, my club in the spotlight, being praised, criticised and scrutinized week in week out is what I want. Stoke City DESERVE to be in the Premier League and I for one am loving EVERY moment of it! Stoke City v Man Utd vs Stoke City vs Wycombe Wanderers, I know which one I prefer  ! |
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Post by wingy1964 on Nov 15, 2011 13:20:18 GMT
The odd win against the big boys is always a bonus as well a cup run, but what the Bolton fan is saying what are we playing for.Great to be in the Prem,coming 9th great ,but at the start of the season shouldn't all the teams have a equal chance of winning the Perm instead of just 4 teams ? Until the Prem is radically changed the league will be boringly predictable.Once a team as got to the promised land of the Prem and got over the established stage,what is there to play for? I know teams strive to get but everyone knows Stoke are never going to win the league.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Nov 15, 2011 14:40:25 GMT
This all boils down to people having very selective memories IMO. I get what the Bolton fan is saying and I have had many happy times following Stoke in the lower leagues as he clearly has following Bolton. That said, there were far more depressing times than happy times and miserable hammerings at Wigan in the lower divisions should not so lightly be dismissed. Of course there was more to aim for back then but, in most of those seasons we were out of the cups in our first, or second game and nowhere near promotion and so, in terms of looking forward to the challenges, it was far worse than now. In the past 40 years there have been a few memorable seasons, many memorable and enjoyable games and a few unforgettable days out at Wembley and Cardiff, but the bulk of that time has been dreadful in terms of entertainment, achievement or fun. I too dislike plenty about the Premier League but am I glad we're there?...Of course I am. It's totally unfair to try and compare the better days in our less illustrious past with being an 'average' Premier league team. The reality is, that for much of our darker days we were a piss poor lower division side and some people's memories are centred on a handful of seasons that were the exception.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 15, 2011 15:15:32 GMT
I've loved our time in the Premiership and there's been so many magical moments that I thought I'd never see ever again. Plus we're seeing players that I thought I'd never see in red and white stripes.
I can see where HS is coming from however. The footy I first started watching as a 6/7 year old in the 70's shares no similarity to the football of today, that said there's advantages and disadvantages to both. Footy today is so much quicker, more skillfull and the TV coverage is incredible. That said somewhere along the line it's lost it's heart at the top level with the players diving and cheating (Suarez) in response to the smallest contact and the players a universe away from the working man. I 100 percent back the stance on seating however I think we miss the terrace culture too.
I guess that's the think with lower league it's still very similar to the 70's where money, ego and greed wasn't everything.
That said I think of all the teams in the PL we're the closest to being a throwback to the 70's alongside Wolves and probably Norwich.
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