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Post by kitkatkev on Nov 12, 2011 19:24:17 GMT
At last
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Post by burberrybassist on Nov 12, 2011 19:27:42 GMT
Haha next thing we know the FA will be approaching Pulis for the England managers job!
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Post by colstokie62 on Nov 12, 2011 19:36:51 GMT
Yes isnt football a funny game england play worse than we have all season and everyone will think they are great am I the onley one that thinks that was awful
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Post by parkhallpotter1 on Nov 12, 2011 19:37:41 GMT
You read my thoughts!!
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Post by avishotair on Nov 12, 2011 19:38:09 GMT
Go for a break Kev!
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Post by march4 on Nov 12, 2011 19:42:25 GMT
Now we might win something!! |
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 12, 2011 19:48:36 GMT
Now we might win something!! It worked for Greece in 2004, so why not. For the first time in years, I am actually slightly hopeful that we might give a good account of ourselves. Not because we won a friendly, but because Capello seems to have realised that with the crap that he has at his disposal, the only way we'll beat better teams is by being organised and difficult to break down. I'm still campaigning for Allardyce to get the England job when Fabio retires this summer.  |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2011 20:00:26 GMT
Pulis ball indeed.
Negative, turgid fare, devoid of skill, flare, pace, technique and creativity. Spain couldn't be arsed yet still ran the game.
We'll be lucky to win a game in the Euros.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 20:11:12 GMT
Pulis ball indeed. Negative, turgid fare, devoid of skill, flare, pace, technique and creativity. Spain couldn't be arsed yet still ran the game. We'll be lucky to win a game in the Euros. Bloody hell pugs even on a non Stoke day you still stick the knife in  |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 12, 2011 20:26:04 GMT
Now we might win something!! It worked for Greece in 2004, so why not. For the first time in years, I am actually slightly hopeful that we might give a good account of ourselves. Not because we won a friendly, but because Capello seems to have realised that with the crap that he has at his disposal, the only way we'll beat better teams is by being organised and difficult to break down. I'm still campaigning for Allardyce to get the England job when Fabio retires this summer. Completely agree. |
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Post by french toast on Nov 12, 2011 21:14:48 GMT
Didnt look like Spain were taking it easy pugs, they were right dirty cunts, who obviously wanted to win, and we beat them, I thoought we played really well,
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 12, 2011 21:28:04 GMT
Personally I think England played really well! With a better front three we could have scored more!
Spain were pretty bad and they did play most of the game without a proper striker! ;D
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Post by Binndy on Nov 12, 2011 21:38:49 GMT
spain needed a tall cf to lob the ball to.
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Post by minty1964 on Nov 12, 2011 21:50:28 GMT
haha beat me to it,,,,
i sent my mates a text saying
"Fabio reverts to TP's style but with better quality players and HEY PRESTO, we beat the tippy tappy world and european champions as 5/1 outsiders! hehe
only a jest of course but just shows TP's coaching badges included classical Italian tactics that Fabio reverted back to today and got the result he wanted...I said result...not necessarily performance....
that was Stoke v West Brazil or Arsenal at International level....and the first half was toss when both teams played the same tippy tappy way
thats what makes the Premier league the best and most difficult and competitive, and we have done well to stay in each season
Dave
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Post by steino1966 on Nov 12, 2011 21:52:34 GMT
spain needed a tall cf to lob the ball to. they have Fernando Llorente who's 6 foot 5 I think |
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Post by westendstokie on Nov 12, 2011 21:53:09 GMT
Just goes to show that on a given day any team can beat any team as Stoke to their credit have proved on many occassions. But if Spain were to play us 10 times they'd beat us 8 IMO.
However England showed Stoke stickability today and fair ply to them. It's a bit scary though to see such a lack of ability on the ball.
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Nov 12, 2011 21:55:56 GMT
It was just like watching us away at the Arse, winning the ball in midfield only to do a rushed pass to the opposition time and time again coupled with lots of last ditch defending. The only difference is that England didn't concede the early goal. Do you think that Capello had been on the phone to TP?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2011 22:27:48 GMT
Didnt look like Spain were taking it easy pugs, they were right dirty cunts, who obviously wanted to win, and we beat them, I thoought we played really well, How very depressing that football fans think they played really well. Where was the creativity? Where was the skill? All I saw was Walcott trying to get the ball under control all game and failing, Milner looking like he'd just come off the bins, Bent was a little boy lost, Parker going backwards, Jones out of position, Lescott falling over the ball when trying to pass it, Jagielka hoofing it, Johnson all over the place. An England team devoid of attacking ideas and technical ability. Despite all the money in the English game we are 2nd rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2011 22:27:59 GMT
I could almost hear the Germans, Brazilians, Argentinians etc saying . "If they can beat them so can we" And so endeth the tippy tappy crappy revolution in football. Spain made 300000078 passes tonight 95% of which were sideways and totally useless, not to mention BORING AS HELL  After failing to score they once again went back to the roll on the floor, kick or block any oposition striker asap dirty twats we always new. Not forgetting to stop the ref on his way to issue a red card so he has time to change it for a yellow.(Thought touching the ref was an automatic booking offence?) I thought England looked like a posh Stoke tonight, even the midfield were crap and couldn,t hold the ball for 10 secs, but it was still enough to beat the So called world champions. Goooooaaaaarn England. PS will someone get rid of that mediocre ex player who bores the shit out of me Andy Townsend who would be impressed with Fenton lads & dads. |
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Post by kavinoz on Nov 12, 2011 22:48:47 GMT
Pulis ball indeed. Negative, turgid fare, devoid of skill, flare, pace, technique and creativity. Spain couldn't be arsed yet still ran the game. We'll be lucky to win a game in the Euros. Bloody hell pugs even on a non Stoke day you still stick the knife in Pugs, you haven't had a mind meld with WfW by any chance have you?  |
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Post by STAY UP FOR PLANTY on Nov 12, 2011 22:52:52 GMT
Didnt look like Spain were taking it easy pugs, they were right dirty cunts, who obviously wanted to win, and we beat them, I thoought we played really well, How very depressing that football fans think they played really well. Where was the creativity? Where was the skill? All I saw was Walcott trying to get the ball under control all game and failing, Milner looking like he'd just come off the bins, Bent was a little boy lost, Parker going backwards, Jones out of position, Lescott falling over the ball when trying to pass it, Jagielka hoofing it, Johnson all over the place. An England team devoid of attacking ideas and technical ability. Despite all the money in the English game we are 2nd rate. Pretty stuck for words to describe the lack of realism , or irony. Stoke are only to well know for how were devoid of creativity , flair , skill etc in our game. Yet being a stoke fan (i'm presuming you are) you knock england for winning spain but not being skillful and creative enough. England , like stoke have players that have skill and creativity, but when up against opposition where they are in another league in terms of the above. You have to set up a different way , and england did just that and it was a great game plan. With two second rate center halves , one of which has hardly played any club football alongside a joke of a right back we kept the world champions at bay. Against Sweden i expect us took look different. If your asking me did england look good ? I'd say no. If you asked me if the game plan / performance was good , I'd say very. Capello's first tactical victory as england manager IMO. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2011 22:58:08 GMT
How very depressing that football fans think they played really well. Where was the creativity? Where was the skill? All I saw was Walcott trying to get the ball under control all game and failing, Milner looking like he'd just come off the bins, Bent was a little boy lost, Parker going backwards, Jones out of position, Lescott falling over the ball when trying to pass it, Jagielka hoofing it, Johnson all over the place. An England team devoid of attacking ideas and technical ability. Despite all the money in the English game we are 2nd rate. Pretty stuck for words to describe the lack of realism , or irony. Stoke are only to well know for how were devoid of creativity , flair , skill etc in our game. Yet being a stoke fan (i'm presuming you are) you knock england for winning spain but not being skillful and creative enough. England , like stoke have players that have skill and creativity, but when up against opposition where they are in another league in terms of the above. You have to set up a different way , and england did just that and it was a great game plan. With two second rate center halves , one of which has hardly played any club football alongside a joke of a right back we kept the world champions at bay. Against Sweden i expect us took look different. If your asking me did england look good ? I'd say no. If you asked me if the game plan / performance was good , I'd say very. Capello's first tactical victory as england manager IMO. Realism will come in Euros when, once again, we will be showed up for what we are. Just like Germany did last time. Name me one player who started tonight who has any skill or creativity? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 12, 2011 23:04:08 GMT
So if none of them have skill and creativity we applied other values and won. Intelligent pragmatic football.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2011 23:06:53 GMT
So if none of them have skill and creativity we applied other values and won. Intelligent pragmatic football. That will win us fuck all as usual. Ok in a friendly against half arsed opposition. |
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Post by jonah77 on Nov 12, 2011 23:11:48 GMT
So if none of them have skill and creativity we applied other values and won. Intelligent pragmatic football. too right joe.if we'd shown creativity and attacking flair we'd have got hammered.instead we played to our strengths and got a result.spain weren't coasting we just frustrated them and they didn't like it. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 12, 2011 23:11:54 GMT
Who seriously expects England to win a competition? When have England ever been serious ocntenders to win a tourtnament. You can't judge an England team like that.
By the way, Greece won something like that. last year Spain were more pramatic than inspirational. Not that England will win it or anything but those values are important.
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Post by westendstokie on Nov 12, 2011 23:13:33 GMT
C'mon Joe. You're better than that. Percentages alone suggest we're bolloxed over a period of games. We won tonight and nobody is happier than me but when you consider the weekly wage out there (and don't forget, the Prem is judged on cash) we're shagged.
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Post by werrington on Nov 12, 2011 23:14:34 GMT
Who seriously expects England to win a competition? When have England ever been serious ocntenders to win a tourtnament. You can't judge an England team like that. By the way, Greece won something like that. last year Spain were more pramatic than inspirational. Not that England will win it or anything but those values are important. We SHOULD be contenders to win every tournament though Joe.......and it shows how far down the ladder we have fallen by putting too much emphasis on this "Big strong player" etc bollocks? We are now seeing the fruits of all that |
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Post by STAY UP FOR PLANTY on Nov 12, 2011 23:15:03 GMT
Pretty stuck for words to describe the lack of realism , or irony. Stoke are only to well know for how were devoid of creativity , flair , skill etc in our game. Yet being a stoke fan (i'm presuming you are) you knock england for winning spain but not being skillful and creative enough. England , like stoke have players that have skill and creativity, but when up against opposition where they are in another league in terms of the above. You have to set up a different way , and england did just that and it was a great game plan. With two second rate center halves , one of which has hardly played any club football alongside a joke of a right back we kept the world champions at bay. Against Sweden i expect us took look different. If your asking me did england look good ? I'd say no. If you asked me if the game plan / performance was good , I'd say very. Capello's first tactical victory as england manager IMO. Realism will come in Euros when, once again, we will be showed up for what we are. Just like Germany did last time. Name me one player who started tonight who has any skill or creativity? Banging on about our failings in recent tournaments when they are all well documented is pointless, and aren't really a basis for an argument that is based around england winning spain. As for creative players , Lampard possesses creativity , along with walcott and phil jones IMO. We could both over analyse England but i think i'll leave that to our fickle media and over critical fans. I'll enjoy beating the current world champions and finally seeing a little passion from england also Fabio realizing we can't go toe to toe with the best teams , we have to adapt our game. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 12, 2011 23:15:53 GMT
Why should we be contenders? What are you basing that on??
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