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Post by luke45 on Nov 6, 2011 21:43:07 GMT
Just returned home now thanks to the Police deciding our train home wouldn't stop at Bolton and resulting in me having to go to Manchester Victoria and wait for another train home.  Anyway, the thought I had on the way home. I know I'll get shot down in flames by many for it, but was todays performance based around some of the players wanting to show their disapproval with the manner in with TP continues to approach away games? After the game was lost, were the players unwilling to put that usual effort in because they wanted a heavy defeat to show TP how much things need to change away? I'm referring to a similar sort of situation to when Arsenal shipped 8 goals at Man Utd, I believe that day the Arsenal players were trying to show Wenger that he had to invest in new players, were our players trying to show TP he has to adopt a new away approach? We've had plenty of other dreadful away defeats over the last few years, but mostly always the effort and commitment has always been there from the players, today several of our players were devoid of effort, and that's not like our team. Win, lose or draw, rarely have the players work-rates come into question. Today was unacceptable on so many levels, so I'm just throwing it out there really as a possible reason why things imploded as badly as they did. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2011 21:44:49 GMT
I'd be disappointed if the players (especially some specifically) weren't pissed off with the way that things are unfolding, especially away from home. But I'd stop short of suggesting that they would be so unprofessional.
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Post by march4 on Nov 6, 2011 21:45:26 GMT
Errrrrmmmmm
NO.
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Post by luke45 on Nov 6, 2011 21:49:10 GMT
I fully expected this response from you March. ;D There was an obvious lack of effort and commitment to the cause from several players today, that is not like our players. Yes they have suffered some bad defeats away from home in the past, but today was different in the sense I felt many of them weren't putting the effort in. I'm not saying the lack of effort is down to the lads having a disapproval with TP's approach, I'm just throwing it out there as a suggestion. Today was woeful, just woeful. |
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Post by march4 on Nov 6, 2011 21:52:53 GMT
I fully expected this response from you March. ;D There was an obvious lack of effort and commitment to the cause from several players today, that is not like our players. Yes they have suffered some bad defeats away from home in the past, but today was different in the sense I felt many of them weren't putting the effort in. I'm not saying the lack of effort is down to the lads having a disapproval with TP's approach, I'm just throwing it out there as a suggestion. Today was woeful, just woeful. At half-time, the distances covered by the players showed we had 7 of the top ten. No lack of effort therefore. A lack of aggression from Woodgate, Upson and Crouch - Yes. A lack of basic competence from Bego - Yes. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 6, 2011 21:55:12 GMT
Well if its true that some of the useless fuckers werent trying then we need to get shot of em quickly
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Post by Peters Pipe on Nov 6, 2011 22:07:06 GMT
I would find it very hard to believe any of that; it's reading way too much into the situation.
I would say that it's possible that TP is finding juggling a much larger squad, over several competitions, tough though.
I said it months ago, this'll be a very steep learning curve for all involved and so it is proving to be...
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Post by fezgandy on Nov 6, 2011 22:48:32 GMT
No. Its because they're wank.
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Post by march4 on Nov 6, 2011 22:49:41 GMT
I would find it very hard to believe any of that; it's reading way too much into the situation. I would say that it's possible that TP is finding juggling a much larger squad, over several competitions, tough though. I said it months ago, this'll be a very steep learning curve for all involved and so it is proving to be... A very perceptive post. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 6, 2011 22:52:30 GMT
The bloke is starstruck.
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Post by KevinWhimper on Nov 6, 2011 22:57:20 GMT
As professionals I should fucking hope not.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 6, 2011 23:01:33 GMT
Somethings been wrong with all of them this season.
Etherington + Pennant have looked a shadow of the fantastic players we saw last season, Crouch is playing purely to justify the fee Pulis spent on him, Whelan has been inconsistent yet again, Woodgate looked promising at the start, at which point he should have been rested, you can't expect someone who's been out of the game for as long as he has to play consecutive league matches.
Whitehead has just made running around a bit a new position, Jerome is being used purely as a sub it seems, Delap trys his bollocks off but surely it's plain to see his age is creeping up on him, Wilson is getting dicked more times than a cobridge lass, Huth is rightly fucked off because he's been played out of position to accomodate Tone's mate Woodgate.
Begovic has been awful compared to his usual standards, I used to feel safe with Begovic in goal, now I'd feel more confident if we started with an empty net.
In my opinion it's not just the tactics that Pulis needs to sort out, he needs to have a word with the players, because with the exception of Shotton I reckon, NONE of them have performed consistently well this season, whether it's this Europa bollocks or what, it needs sorting because if results like this keep happening, the heads will drop even more.
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Post by banburypotter on Nov 6, 2011 23:28:09 GMT
pennant looked bemused, and slightly put off at being subbed today.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 6, 2011 23:51:45 GMT
I fully expected this response from you March. ;D There was an obvious lack of effort and commitment to the cause from several players today, that is not like our players. Yes they have suffered some bad defeats away from home in the past, but today was different in the sense I felt many of them weren't putting the effort in. I'm not saying the lack of effort is down to the lads having a disapproval with TP's approach, I'm just throwing it out there as a suggestion. Today was woeful, just woeful. At half-time, the distances covered by the players showed we had 7 of the top ten. No lack of effort therefore. A lack of aggression from Woodgate, Upson and Crouch - Yes. A lack of basic competence from Bego - Yes. to that you can add:- Lack of basic premiership skills in midfield - Yes Lack of imagination and tactical awareness of coach - Yes Players played out of position - Yes |
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Post by march4 on Nov 7, 2011 0:00:43 GMT
At half-time, the distances covered by the players showed we had 7 of the top ten. No lack of effort therefore. A lack of aggression from Woodgate, Upson and Crouch - Yes. A lack of basic competence from Bego - Yes. to that you can add:- Lack of basic premiership skills in midfield - Yes Lack of imagination and tactical awareness of coach - Yes Players played out of position - Yes No you can't add any of those. Was Bego out of position - no Were Upson and Woodgate out of position - no Was Crouch out of position - no They were the players who didn't turn up today. TP is to blame for signing them and playing them but I expect him to remedy the situation asap. The training ground will be an interesting place tomorrow. |
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Post by potterpaul on Nov 7, 2011 0:09:19 GMT
to that you can add:- Lack of basic premiership skills in midfield - Yes Lack of imagination and tactical awareness of coach - Yes Players played out of position - Yes No you can't add any of those. Was Bego out of position - no Were Upson and Woodgate out of position - no Was Crouch out of position - no They were the players who didn't turn up today. TP is to blame for signing them and playing them but I expect him to remedy the situation asap. The training ground will be an interesting place tomorrow. It sounds to me March you would be quite content with the starting XI in our very first PL game  |
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Post by trainstobrazil on Nov 7, 2011 0:10:26 GMT
So Arsenal's players purposely let in 8 goals so that Wenger would buy new players thus getting rid of them
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Post by march4 on Nov 7, 2011 0:11:08 GMT
No you can't add any of those. Was Bego out of position - no Were Upson and Woodgate out of position - no Was Crouch out of position - no They were the players who didn't turn up today. TP is to blame for signing them and playing them but I expect him to remedy the situation asap. The training ground will be an interesting place tomorrow. It sounds to me March you would be quite content with the starting XI in our very first PL game I would prefer the team that got us to the Cup Final. The new signings do not have the required DNA. |
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Post by luke45 on Nov 7, 2011 9:22:04 GMT
I fully expected this response from you March. ;D There was an obvious lack of effort and commitment to the cause from several players today, that is not like our players. Yes they have suffered some bad defeats away from home in the past, but today was different in the sense I felt many of them weren't putting the effort in. I'm not saying the lack of effort is down to the lads having a disapproval with TP's approach, I'm just throwing it out there as a suggestion. Today was woeful, just woeful. At half-time, the distances covered by the players showed we had 7 of the top ten. No lack of effort therefore. A lack of aggression from Woodgate, Upson and Crouch - Yes. A lack of basic competence from Bego - Yes. Out of interest March, how many of our players were in the top ten distances covered at full-time? I'm referring more to certain players not putting in their usual shift in the 2nd half rather than the 1st half really. As I say I'm not saying this is the reason, I was just throwing it out there as a possibility. |
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Post by frasier45 on Nov 7, 2011 10:47:46 GMT
Maybe they were just thinking the same as most on here after seeing the way qpr, swansea, and delias boys played over the weekend and just dropped their heads a bit
Understandable I suppose
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Nov 7, 2011 11:00:25 GMT
You do have to wonder what the new players think of the tactics imposed on them. It must be a completely different animal to what they've been used to.
Certain players can and will adapt to the tactics and some just won't. Whether people like it or not, some players just won't enjoy playing in our set-up. They're Premiership standard players playing, mainly, League One standard football. Beyond the shape and discipline, there's no thought that goes into our style.
Maybe I'm just feeling arsey because of yesterday and I'm being harsh, but now we're beginning to see why we're regularly crucifiied in the media and it's hard to disagree. I used to love watching our fight, spirit and togetherness. Now I'm just watching a load of blokes twatting the ball about aimlessly with no cohesion, teamwork or direction.
Sort it out, please.
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