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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2011 10:14:33 GMT
can't for the life of me understand why some so called supporters come on here and moan about players,they wear the strip so back them, the clue is in the word supporter....fuckin support them A player who got us to The Premiership.....came into the side after xmas in that 1st year and coincided with our form taking us away from the drop zone....Was pivotal in getting us to the FA Cup final for the 1st time in our history and was MOM in the semi final rout of Bolton and all for 500k.......unbelievable
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 4, 2011 12:09:43 GMT
Apart from Whelan he is shite
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 4, 2011 12:13:37 GMT
every time I watch him I think he is a championship player and I constantly hear " At least he puts his foot on the ball and tries to pass it ". Everytime he gets it he puts his foot on it and passes to the opposition. Im sorry he is no good - in fact the midfield is clearly our problem area. Got to say 5 m on Palacios looked bad value on tonights evidence. Poor. Agree with you on Palacios, totally disagree with you on Whelan who is easily our most accomplished central midfielder. Those people who continue to deride his passing accuracy should look at the stats which always show him passing the most in terms of number and accuracy
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Nov 4, 2011 15:05:28 GMT
can't for the life of me understand why some so called supporters come on here and moan about players,they wear the strip so back them, the clue is in the word supporter....fuckin support them You go and support them.....youve changed since your haircut.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 18:20:20 GMT
I was never a great fan of Whelan until last season, when his return to the side saw us play our best football of the season. He was crucial to that, and started this season really well too. He's reverted back to his inconsistent self, but he's made himself an important player and one who should be first choice (at home at least) imo until we can sign anyone better.
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2011 18:25:19 GMT
I was never a great fan of Whelan until last season, when his return to the side saw us play our best football of the season. He was crucial to that, and started this season really well too. He's reverted back to his inconsistent self, but he's made himself an important player and one who should be first choice (at home at least) imo until we can sign anyone better. Amen Rob.....But i will say that the shackles have been put on the midfield and that is the reason for his inconsistency. When we get/got at teams he is pivotal to us as you pointed out about last season as he was also in our 1st season when he came into the side after xmas and survived comfortably. People need to see the form of our midfield for what it is this season....sitting too deep or totally bypassed
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 18:28:11 GMT
I was never a great fan of Whelan until last season, when his return to the side saw us play our best football of the season. He was crucial to that, and started this season really well too. He's reverted back to his inconsistent self, but he's made himself an important player and one who should be first choice (at home at least) imo until we can sign anyone better. Amen Rob.....But i will say that the shackles have been put on the midfield and that is the reason for his inconsistency. When we get/got at teams he is pivotal to us as you pointed out about last season as he was also in our 1st season when he came into the side after xmas and survived comfortably. People need to see the form of our midfield for what it is this season....sitting too deep or totally bypassed I think the reason for his inconsistency is him to be honest - he can make sloppy passes and seems to lose concentration sometimes. But when he plays well, we play well.
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2011 18:34:29 GMT
Amen Rob.....But i will say that the shackles have been put on the midfield and that is the reason for his inconsistency. When we get/got at teams he is pivotal to us as you pointed out about last season as he was also in our 1st season when he came into the side after xmas and survived comfortably. People need to see the form of our midfield for what it is this season....sitting too deep or totally bypassed I think the reason for his inconsistency is him to be honest - he can make sloppy passes and seems to lose concentration sometimes. But when he plays well, we play well. The whole bloody team cannot string 3 passes together mate.....he though is always making himself available and how many times have we seen him and indeed Pennant and Etherington turning 180% to pass it back as there are no options?.....We really are that poor and its been hard work to watch for 90% of this season
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 4, 2011 18:35:11 GMT
It's so difficult for Stoke to pass the ball as there is no movement whatsoever. The system is so rigid. Plus we have no pace in the side.
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2011 18:40:07 GMT
It's so difficult for Stoke to pass the ball as there is no movement whatsoever. The system is so rigid. Plus we have no pace in the side. We need a pacy forward to suit the Pulis style Pugsley ......Fuller or somebody like him are also pivotal to us as its just pedestrian this season bar 2-3 games
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2011 18:40:10 GMT
I think the reason for his inconsistency is him to be honest - he can make sloppy passes and seems to lose concentration sometimes. But when he plays well, we play well. The whole bloody team cannot string 3 passes together mate.....he though is always making himself available and how many times have we seen him and indeed Pennant and Etherington turning 180% to pass it back as there are no options?.....We really are that poor and its been hard work to watch for 90% of this season I think that's down to lack of quality though mate. Neither Deano nor Rory were renowned for threading a ball through the eye of a needle before they came here. Whelan misplacing a pass (and his pass rate is miles higher overall than most of our other midfielders) isn't anybody else's fault but Whelan's, just as is the case when Rory and Whitehead needlessly give it away. As you say, he does have an eye for a decent ball though. He shouldn't have excuses made for him when he doesn't turn it on, but when everyone's fit I'd play him and Palacios in the middle.
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2011 18:45:01 GMT
The whole bloody team cannot string 3 passes together mate.....he though is always making himself available and how many times have we seen him and indeed Pennant and Etherington turning 180% to pass it back as there are no options?.....We really are that poor and its been hard work to watch for 90% of this season I think that's down to lack of quality though mate. Neither Deano nor Rory were renowned for threading a ball through the eye of a needle before they came here. Whelan misplacing a pass (and his pass rate is miles higher overall than most of our other midfielders) isn't anybody else's fault but Whelan's, just as is the case when Rory and Whitehead needlessly give it away. As you say, he does have an eye for a decent ball though. He shouldn't have excuses made for him when he doesn't turn it on, but when everyone's fit I'd play him and Palacios in the middle. He was poor Monday Rob but sometimes his and the teams hands are tied by our tactics and team formation and it frustrates the life out of me watching it take shape. I agree he and Palacios should be 1st choice
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Post by potterglen on Nov 4, 2011 19:44:51 GMT
can't for the life of me understand why some so called supporters come on here and moan about players,they wear the strip so back them, the clue is in the word supporter....fuckin support them Exactly. Apart from Diao. He's fucking shite. Don't forget Rory the pit pony who can chuck a bo' a long way. ;-)
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Post by cheekymonkey on Nov 4, 2011 23:06:40 GMT
Glen Whelan is a rubbish what?
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Post by pittshillplotter on Nov 4, 2011 23:10:02 GMT
Glen Whelan is a rubbish what? Errr...Irishman...? ;D
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Post by minty1964 on Nov 4, 2011 23:16:19 GMT
isn't it funny i replied to this thread about Whelan, having read bucketloads about Whitehehead, yet Whitehead turned out man of the Match v Maccabi... like I said have faith in TP and between the squads midfielders, we will stay up and do well in a cup or two Dave
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Post by scfclurker on Nov 5, 2011 2:21:14 GMT
Some people have very short memories. Personally, i'm glad that Whelan has been given the chance in Europe after what he has done for us over the years (remember the equaliser at Villa?)
Stoke legend! but having said that, aren't they all looking at where we are now?
Europe, FA cup Final, Mid table in the prem for 3 years? Like the guy doing the comentary on ESPN said, 10 years ago we were in league 1 and playing Swindon away. WAKE UP AND ENJOY IT!
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Post by Teddler Stokie Born and Bred on Nov 5, 2011 12:33:33 GMT
And I like milk and cheese doesnt mean I can afford Cravendale and cathedral city does it ? I have to settle for sainsburys own brand! My point being MANICHE, whelan and palacios is what we can afford so stop fucking complaining about the little things get on with it and try looking at the big picture you small minded glory seeking tit
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Post by haddock on Nov 5, 2011 20:45:29 GMT
people on this board judge how big a stoke fan you are by how many posts you've done on this board. Maniche has been a season ticket holder for 20 odd years, goes home and away and is actually one of the most positive stoke fans i know, he is in as good a position as anyone to pass judgement on glen.
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Post by Akinbadbuy on Nov 6, 2011 9:00:00 GMT
We keep going over old ground with this debate. Delap still the best CM at the club for me. Yes his passing isnt great but neither is (best passer of a ball at the club) Whelan's.
I just feel that overall Delap offers more to the team. He is far far better than Whelan at breaking up play and reads the game better for me. Whelan can be very inconsistent. Its all about opinions though eh....
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