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Post by sirpineapple89 on Nov 2, 2011 11:22:04 GMT
It would've been nice to sign a proper full-back really. He was bad on Monday but he played well against Liverpool the other week.
I also think the poor form of Etherington is having an effect though. He's just not offering himself enough and when he does, he has to come back because he's short on confidence/playing shit. Wilson then has one option - HOOF.
That doesn't excuse his poor defending on Monday though and his pace, or lack of it, is his biggest downfall. Obertan would beat most for pace and he left Wilson looking daft. I'd have gone for Shotton and Wilko at full back, just to try and match their pace a bit.
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Post by luke2u on Nov 2, 2011 11:53:35 GMT
It would be nice to have full backs in my opinion. We haven't had one since Griffin, and over the years with TP, not many full backs at all.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 2, 2011 13:45:47 GMT
He was bound to be caught out when he had two players to mark for the first, and Upson made a piss-poor header for the second - take your blinkers off FFS. Complete indecision on the first cost him, he didn't know what to do or where to go and by the time he'd decided it was already in the back of the net. On the 2nd one, wasn't a great header granted but where the hell was he? What about his distribution that you've neglected to comment on? I am more than happy to discuss his distribution - I was just responding to your comments holding him solely at fault for the first two goals, which is rubbish. He was bound to be indecisive on the first - he had been left with two players standing fifteen foot apart to pick up - what would you have done? As for the second it was entirely Upsons piss poor header to blame - to say anything else is just chasing your own agenda. Back to his distribution - yes, it was particularly poor on monday, but surely anyone can see his options are sooo limited. Our fullbacks have always struggled to play a ball to feet, regardless of their passing ability - and it is solely down to our tactics and hence lack of ball-playing midfielders. When we have possession in the middle of the park we play a succession of sideways and backwards passes that if it does not end up going back to the keeper you can guarantee it will end up with the full back. As our central midfielders are scared of footballs, they have not option but to punt it upfield. So unless you can pass like Franz Beckenbauer you are going to look like a twat on numerous occasions. Every Stoke fan knows that Wilson is generally a good footballer, but he is being asked to play in a position that he is not familiar with, basically because he can use his left foot for something other than standing. I notice that no-one on here has commented on the fact that he is predominately right-footed? What about the fact that he has clearly not been fully fit for weeks? No-one was moaning about him a few weeks ago - everyone seemed happy with him last season, so why all the vitriol now after a game where most players were poor and others stood out more for their ineptitude (step forward Woodgate & Whelan)? While Higgy is injured, Wilson is our only viable option at left back - if any of you are not happy with that then blame Pulis instead of making a scapegoat of Wilson.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 2, 2011 13:55:29 GMT
He was completely, totally and utterly out of position and didn't have a clue where his man was for the first. As for marking two men, he wasn't. He only had to pick up one man - Oberrtan - the one he was amrking. It would have meant a free header for the forward but that5's what he got anway as Wilson was caught out completely due to a his lack of positioning sense. I would have marked my man and at least then you can point the blame at someone else not doing their job and you can stay close to the more obvious threat that is bursting down the wing into the massive space that you've gifted them. The forward can do one of two things in the position he was for that header, flick it on or try and bring it down - either way Wilson was nowhere near defending either situation and subsequently can take the blame for being nowhere near Obertan. That's how I see the first.
For the second, I repeat, where the hell was he?
If you read my original post you will not that I made reference to Wilson having very limited support from an out of form Ethers, invariably resulting in a wasted long ball.
Wilson is not playing in a new role at left back and has been there for numerous games now. He should be fairly adept at covering this position and to be perfectly honest he has done well this season but that does not take away from the fact that he had an absolute mare on Monday, infact his performances this season at left back have been of such a standard that his poor showing on Monday resulted in me saying such a thing. It was, in my opinion, his worst performance of the season. I expect more from him and fully expect him to deliver more because he is a good footballer and a good defender.
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Post by technostokie on Nov 2, 2011 14:09:39 GMT
Pez75, its quite obvious that you watch stoke playing football and are a proper supporter not like so many other posters on this forum, stoke can recover from there recent form but i think its time TP reshuffled his cards, any fool can see that Marc Wilson is a talented footballer, but he needs to be playing in his proper position otherwise its like putting jenson button into a ford mondeo and expecting for him to show a good performance.. its time to start playing football with a proper back line and a proper midfield, peter crouch & kenwin can and will score goals, but they need the right service. come on Tony make the right changes things have to get better.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 2, 2011 14:11:45 GMT
Agreed Pez. It's pathetic how we pick on a player who has been shoved into a position he's ill-suited for but don't question the Manager's blind spot when it comes to buying full backs....or not as the case may be.
By the way, Wilco fantastic in Bristol last week!
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Post by pez75 on Nov 2, 2011 14:51:34 GMT
He was completely, totally and utterly out of position and didn't have a clue where his man was for the first. As for marking two men, he wasn't. He only had to pick up one man - Oberrtan - the one he was amrking. It would have meant a free header for the forward but that5's what he got anway as Wilson was caught out completely due to a his lack of positioning sense. I would have marked my man and at least then you can point the blame at someone else not doing their job and you can stay close to the more obvious threat that is bursting down the wing into the massive space that you've gifted them. The forward can do one of two things in the position he was for that header, flick it on or try and bring it down - either way Wilson was nowhere near defending either situation and subsequently can take the blame for being nowhere near Obertan. That's how I see the first. For the second, I repeat, where the hell was he? If you read my original post you will not that I made reference to Wilson having very limited support from an out of form Ethers, invariably resulting in a wasted long ball. Wilson is not playing in a new role at left back and has been there for numerous games now. He should be fairly adept at covering this position and to be perfectly honest he has done well this season but that does not take away from the fact that he had an absolute mare on Monday, infact his performances this season at left back have been of such a standard that his poor showing on Monday resulted in me saying such a thing. It was, in my opinion, his worst performance of the season. I expect more from him and fully expect him to deliver more because he is a good footballer and a good defender. What a ridiculous notion that you only ever mark one player and let others pass by so you can blame someone else for not marking them? You deal with the situation at hand, opposition forwards will roam all over the pitch and try to lose their natural marker - when this is Floodgate, this is particularly easy - we cannot expect them to stand still. You believe Wilson dealt with it the situation badly, I think he was left in a situation that he could not possibly deal with - ho hum. As for the second, was it not Leon Best who was unmarked? I daresay Wilson was marking Obertan. Which means that for the first he went to Best and should have stayed with Obertan, and yet for the second he was with Squidward and should have been with Best? Your logic is confusing. Either way, Upson fucked up a dolly of a header - a point you continue to ignore. Hi Jimmy - I thought of you when I saw they were touring. I have not been to a gig since Bill Callahan months ago, do you listen to Bill/Smog?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 2, 2011 15:11:11 GMT
Yes, Pez, have the last two BC albums and know some early Smog. He's a one-off and I'd love to see him. I seem to be going to more gigs the older I get but like the small venues now I'm in my dotage! Anyway better stop the non-footy chat!!!
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Nov 2, 2011 16:03:10 GMT
What a sickeningly load of crap this thread is
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Post by PotteringThrough on Nov 2, 2011 16:16:23 GMT
What a ridiculous notion that you only ever mark one player and let others pass by so you can blame someone else for not marking them? You deal with the situation at hand, opposition forwards will roam all over the pitch and try to lose their natural marker - when this is Floodgate, this is particularly easy - we cannot expect them to stand still. You believe Wilson dealt with it the situation badly, I think he was left in a situation that he could not possibly deal with - ho hum. As for the second, was it not Leon Best who was unmarked? I daresay Wilson was marking Obertan. Which means that for the first he went to Best and should have stayed with Obertan, and yet for the second he was with Squidward and should have been with Best? Your logic is confusing. Either way, Upson fucked up a dolly of a header - a point you continue to ignore. Hardly a ridiculous notion, you deal with the play and make a decision, you don't stand there looking confused deciding whether to challenge or not or deciding whether to pick up the man your marking in open play. He had the chance to make a decison of whether to challenge for the header and bollock someone else afterwards for doing their job or to pick up the run of the man you're marking and he did neither. Net result we concede a goal. As for the 2nd, I did address the Upson header in my oringal response to you, but given the circumstances i repeat where the hell was Wilson? I didn't see him marking Obertan but you said he was so i'll take your word for it. I still think he could have done better even if others should have as well. Wilson had an absolute mare on Monday regardless of how crap everyone else performed. Given the circumstances I feel he is had a part to play in both their goals, moreso the 1st, and subsequently there should be blame apportioned to him.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Nov 2, 2011 19:37:04 GMT
I'm afraid Mark Wilson has been an accident waiting to happen for some time now.
I don't really blame the lad, as Werrington has pointed out, Wilson is just one of a number of players expected to perform in positions that don't suit them .
Anyone who has done their homework on us would know how to exploit these weaknesses as Newcastle did on Monday night.
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Post by knype on Nov 2, 2011 19:41:01 GMT
For Wilson see Huth, the way these 2 have been treated this season is despicable, players will play at their best wherever the manager puts them as they all want to play......
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Post by mayf on Nov 2, 2011 20:06:42 GMT
It's a good job WFW has retired from this mb,he likened him to Alan Hudson last season....all based on 1 20 yard defence splitting pass that lead to a goal if I'm not mistaken.....the last pass that went to a Stoke player. Clearly he was only signed as that was the only deal on the table that would get Lawrence and Kitson out the door. I still think he's better than Woodgate tho
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 2, 2011 20:16:41 GMT
Having a rough spell but to be fair to him he has filled in pretty well and as a right footed midfield player you have to ask why he is playing so many games at left back
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