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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 31, 2011 3:23:18 GMT
Some may not like it but I feel I have to express how I feel. Jeung says human beings have an innate need to display their feelings so here I use the oatie as my psychiatrist. .........
I am starting to absolutely detest our long throw. It seems to be a spent force now. Game after game we bung the balls in and game after game they get dealt with. When the balls drop loose we never win the second ball and they are just dealt with. Unless we've committed a foul as it flies towards the penno box and we hand possession back that way instead.
In the past it's been ace. It was a quirky tactic that defined us as being a bit different and that we'd do things our way....the STOKE way. The thing which underponnede being Stoke and playing how want. But now it just seems to weigh us down.
By the way, if we score from one v Newcastle I'll be happy as a pig in shit!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by gilberto on Oct 31, 2011 3:36:28 GMT
Nailed on to score from it tonight now Joe!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2011 3:48:37 GMT
The thing is the fact that we use the Long Throw has affected the team selection of the opposition at times, so I'm undecided, however I have noticed a lot of complaints about how much time it wastes so I'd like to see the towel thing stopped. Time for the "long Header" perhaps ;D For a minute I thought you were going to confess to being a Vale Fan  |
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Post by harryburrows on Oct 31, 2011 4:04:48 GMT
and it looks like shotton is being groomed by rory { you know what i mean} to carry when the delapidator calls it a day
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Post by donttellhimpike on Oct 31, 2011 4:42:59 GMT
Joe. I think statitions will probably agree with your concerns that in the last 2 seasons Delaps throws have become relatively ineffective with regards to achieveing goals either directly or more commonly from the 2nd/3rd touch.
However I think something like 70% of our goals have come from set pieces and probably most of those have occured when we do what Stoke do best (at home anyway) and that is exerting immense pressure. Rory's throws are maybe not achieving the end result it did a few years ago (seems to throw them toward the centre of the goal instead of when he was at his most assisting best hard and low towards the front man). However it does help to increase the pressure and chip away at the nerves of the defenders.
The thought of him doing a short throw to Whitehead who then has to control the ball gives me shudders ;-) .
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Post by liamo on Oct 31, 2011 5:10:27 GMT
Also doesn't help that we have no other option from throwins in the final third, whenever we attempt to do something different like throw it to a winger the balls ends up with the opposition
It may not work as well as it used to but it still shakes our opponents up ;D
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Post by keithy george on Oct 31, 2011 5:52:32 GMT
Some may not like it but I feel I have to express how I feel. Jeung says human beings have an innate need to display their feelings so here I use the oatie as my psychiatrist. ......... I am starting to absolutely detest our long throw. It seems to be a spent force now. Game after game we bung the balls in and game after game they get dealt with. When the balls drop loose we never win the second ball and they are just dealt with. Unless we've committed a foul as it flies towards the penno box and we hand possession back that way instead. In the past it's been ace. It was a quirky tactic that defined us as being a bit different and that we'd do things our way....the STOKE way. The thing which underponnede being Stoke and playing how want. But now it just seems to weigh us down. By the way, if we score from one v Newcastle I'll be happy as a pig in shit!! ;D ;D ;D Good point .i think we are better than this long throw, we play some good stuff at times maybe use it the last ten mins to mix things up abit |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 31, 2011 6:17:39 GMT
Hopefully they'll make me look like a schuck and we'll win 6-0 with all six from long throws! ;D
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 31, 2011 9:08:50 GMT
The only thing I dont like about them is the time taken with the towel wiping. Im surprised Delap has never been booked for time wasting to be honest.
It still has its place in our tactics though because it does help us build up pressure and gets the crowd going. Also other teams focus on defending the long throw and forget sometimes about our other threats so it still definitely has a psychological effect even if we dont score that many from it anymore.
Just speed it up a bit Rory
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Post by offthewall on Oct 31, 2011 9:13:34 GMT
Get a grip man !
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Post by apb1 on Oct 31, 2011 9:15:44 GMT
I'm fed up with corners too, all that kerfuffle and we only score from about 5-10% of them...
You're losing your grip Joe, as Freud might say, pull yourself tobloodygether man! ;D
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 31, 2011 9:16:52 GMT
The fact remains that it still makes excellent keepers like Reina look like gibbering imbeciles so I’d keep it.
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Post by luke45 on Oct 31, 2011 9:23:22 GMT
It's obviously not as effective as it was in the first season as teams are learning how to combat it now, but you only have to go back as far as our last game to see that we are still more than capable of scoring goals from it. That goal was disgracefully ruled out.
The opposition get far too much protection from the referee off our long-throws. Why is it, that with all the tussling that takes place in the box when Rory launches one in, that we are NEVER fouled ourselves? To my knowledge, we have NEVER received a penalty off a Rory Delap throw-in, yet I'd estimate the opposition gain a free-kick off one at least 4 times per game. Whilst we continue to be endlessly penalised off it for alleged fouls, it will never be as effective as it could be.
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Post by kavinoz on Oct 31, 2011 9:26:11 GMT
Some may not like it but I feel I have to express how I feel. Jeung says human beings have an innate need to display their feelings so here I use the oatie as my psychiatrist. ......... I am starting to absolutely detest our long throw. It seems to be a spent force now. Game after game we bung the balls in and game after game they get dealt with. When the balls drop loose we never win the second ball and they are just dealt with. Unless we've committed a foul as it flies towards the penno box and we hand possession back that way instead. In the past it's been ace. It was a quirky tactic that defined us as being a bit different and that we'd do things our way....the STOKE way. The thing which underponnede being Stoke and playing how want. But now it just seems to weigh us down. By the way, if we score from one v Newcastle I'll be happy as a pig in shit!! ;D ;D ;D Same happens with crosses, corners & free kicks, might as well not bother. ;D |
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Post by larstoke on Oct 31, 2011 9:38:06 GMT
I agree, but would never throw it short instead. Never Works out. And hey, it still works in europe!
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Post by theteacher on Oct 31, 2011 10:23:46 GMT
Not worked since Mama got injured?  |
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Post by stantheman on Oct 31, 2011 10:27:51 GMT
And there was I thinking that your 'confession' had something to do with a kangaroo |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 31, 2011 10:28:00 GMT
Nah not worked since opponents worked out where to stand to snuff it out. If we placed players to win the 2nd balls they could be useful again.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 31, 2011 10:31:30 GMT
Bloody hell, Joe. Dark confessions. I thought you were going to say somethinglike you liked McGarry!  Anyway, I disagree. Our throw-in is effectively a set piece; no different than a corner or a free kick. Not to employ it would be silly. As for all this shit about it taking a long time and that some would do away with the towel, most of the time is taken up with Rory getting to wherever the throw in is from. It takes him all of 2/3 seconds to wipe the ball, which is always passed directly to him by a ball boy who has already partly dried it. I've seen free kicks take three times as long as it takes Rory to take a throw-in, and nobody moans about those. How many does he take in a game, and how many free kicks are taken in a game? Providing the oposition are given the same opportunity and the use of the towel, then it's perfectly legitimate. Defenders hate it, so that says something. If it's not so successful these days, then that's because we need to start slinging it into the near post. OS. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 31, 2011 10:43:22 GMT
Joe to be honest I cant see the problem. All Rory can do is continue to launch it in to the mix.
I mean you dont stop taking corners because you havent scored from a few.
Its probably not helping having Huth on the sidelines either.
I also sometimes get annoyed when we are not alert for the second ball.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 31, 2011 10:52:59 GMT
I disagree.
For a start, the effect of the long throw is more than just the possibility of us scoring a goal from it. For a start, it allows us to put 7 or so players in the opposition penalty area, and forces the opposition to bring all their players back. It's not uncommon to see them leave one man up front, or have all eleven players in the box. This effect can be achieved from us winning a simple throw-in near the halfway-line. It's almost a no-brainer in that regard. What is normally the most innocuous and most common set piece is an automatic device for putting the opposition on the back foot.
You can't underestimate the pressure that it creates either. One throw-in halfway-into the opposition half will usually lead to another throw-in in a more favourable position. This usually results in a goalmouth scramble and a corner given away. That was how we scored against Newcastle last season. We rely and thrive on set pieces, and this is a simple way for us to earn them. The longer the spell of throw-ins and corners we have, the more pressure the defence comes under and the more mistakes are made.
We do need to do two things though. Firstly, we need to freshen up our movement in the box. It's all a bit static at the minute, as though we're scared that by doing anything else we'll concede a foul. Walters times and excellent near post run and we would do well to utilise that again, as nobody seems to come across the near post any more. The other thing we need to do is win the second ball more often, if it's cleared. If the ball bobbles out of the box and ends up, say, 20 yards out, we must ensure that we win that ball. Too often, we don't, and we're forced to back-track all the way back into our defensive formation.
Ultimately, we just don't look half as threatening without it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 31, 2011 10:58:02 GMT
Of the seven we put in the box if we placed two on the edge of the area to get to any loose balls it would be better.
This season Huthy hasn't been halof the attacking threat he was last season. It makes a big difference.
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Post by spongebob on Oct 31, 2011 11:04:28 GMT
It is obviously not as effective as it was....but it does give us a wee bit of excitement. Time wasting?? nahh the ref just adds on time at the end for it. Just like setting up for a free kick. Football is entertainment and the throw even if it doesnt work anymore is entertaining.
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Post by kitkatkev on Oct 31, 2011 11:05:32 GMT
I disagree. For a start, the effect of the long throw is more than just the possibility of us scoring a goal from it. For a start, it allows us to put 7 or so players in the opposition penalty area, and forces the opposition to bring all their players back. It's not uncommon to see them leave one man up front, or have all eleven players in the box. This effect can be achieved from us winning a simple throw-in near the halfway-line. It's almost a no-brainer in that regard. What is normally the most innocuous and most common set piece is an automatic device for putting the opposition on the back foot. You can't underestimate the pressure that it creates either. One throw-in halfway-into the opposition half will usually lead to another throw-in in a more favourable position. This usually results in a goalmouth scramble and a corner given away. That was how we scored against Newcastle last season. We rely and thrive on set pieces, and this is a simple way for us to earn them. The longer the spell of throw-ins and corners we have, the more pressure the defence comes under and the more mistakes are made. We do need to do two things though. Firstly, we need to freshen up our movement in the box. It's all a bit static at the minute, as though we're scared that by doing anything else we'll concede a foul. Walters times and excellent near post run and we would do well to utilise that again, as nobody seems to come across the near post any more. The other thing we need to do is win the second ball more often, if it's cleared. If the ball bobbles out of the box and ends up, say, 20 yards out, we must ensure that we win that ball. Too often, we don't, and we're forced to back-track all the way back into our defensive formation. Ultimately, we just don't look half as threatening without it. I agree its the build up of pressure it creates |
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Post by stokelad84 on Oct 31, 2011 11:07:47 GMT
MD is spot on
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Post by manchesterpotter on Oct 31, 2011 11:11:29 GMT
We need to keep the long throw, but we need to have someone on the edge of the box to smash in weak clearances and for our players to stop fucking fouling the fucking goalkeeper! Otherwise we may as just throw the ball out for a goal kick.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 31, 2011 11:40:52 GMT
We don't score directly from a long throw very often now and we haven't done since the first half of the 08-09 season when we scored 7-8 goals directly from a throw. However we do score a lot of goals in periods of play that start from a long throw and as said above it created pressure on the opposition and allows us to get 7 players in the opposition 18 yard box
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Post by vestanpance on Oct 31, 2011 12:18:59 GMT
I wouldn't mind the throw were it not for the fact that the team is re-jigged completely in order to accomodate the thrower.
It takes ten minutes of mincing about to get the ball in, and they are now invariably cleared because of a lack of movement. If we want to improve our team we should play two central midfielders capable of passing the ball and two wingers capable of crossing it. Do that, and play Shotton at Right Back so it's always there as an option.
It frustrates me that we have the manpwer these days to be So much better, yet still the conversation on here is dominated by Centre Halves out of position, a lack of creativity in central midfield and a lack of goals from open play. Given the squad we have now, these things should no longer be an issue, simple as that.
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Post by onionman on Oct 31, 2011 13:15:56 GMT
Our throw-in tactic has been such a dominant feature of our game for so long it's now affected the way I watch football at every level.
I'll be taking a passing interest at a Sunday morning pub league match and, every time a defender knocks the ball out for a throw in his own half, my pulse instinctively races.
It only lasts half a second, until I realise Delap isn't there, and a throw-in isn't meant to be the most exciting part of the game in normal non-Stoke football.
I love the tactic though. It does mean that even the most boring of matches have at least a few moments of genuine anticipation.
Though the critics would argue we'd have more moments of excitement if we ditched the throw-in tactic and changed our whole playing style, realistically our style is what's got us to where we are today.
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Post by drwhom on Oct 31, 2011 14:06:49 GMT
Opposition teams have to do a lot of work to prepare to defend against it and that means that they're relatively less prepared on other areas. I'm a fan, my one regret is that we never quite cracked the chant or action to go with it.
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