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Post by justinp on Oct 8, 2011 7:13:01 GMT
Cannot wait until after Euro 2012 so that Crapello can leave and I can start being excited about England again.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 8, 2011 8:40:26 GMT
You're right, we certainly won't win it, but I think we have a better side than we did in the world cup:-
Hart (Man City)
Richards (Man City) Cole (Chelsea) Jones (Man Utd) Terry (Chelsea)
Gerrard (Liverpool) Barry (Man City)
Walcott (Arsenal) Wilshere (Arsenal) Young (Man utd)
Rooney (Man Utd)
If playing in club competition, that side would go very close to winning the Premiership, arguably the best domestic league in the world. Therefore, we should surely have a chance of doing well internationally?
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Post by youareallwrong on Oct 8, 2011 9:35:17 GMT
You're right, we certainly won't win it, but I think we have a better side than we did in the world cup:- Hart (Man City) Richards (Man City) Cole (Chelsea) Jones (Man Utd) Terry (Chelsea) Gerrard (Liverpool) Barry (Man City) Walcott (Arsenal) Wilshere (Arsenal) Young (Man utd) Rooney (Man Utd) If playing in club competition, that side would go very close to winning the Premiership, arguably the best domestic league in the world. Therefore, we should surely have a chance of doing well internationally? This 'best league in the world' delusion just makes me laugh. If what you say is true, how come English players in this league are made to look technically inept by Montenegro? There's a difference between 'best' and 'most entertaining', and surely we know which side of that difference the prem falls. Players who play for the best national sides in the world are conspicuous by their absence from the prem, because they know that their skills will be wasted in the high-speed, kick and rush that's played here. Send all our kids to play in Spain for 5 years, then see what kind of national team we've got.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Oct 8, 2011 9:43:08 GMT
Shower of shite.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 8, 2011 9:47:57 GMT
You're right, we certainly won't win it, but I think we have a better side than we did in the world cup:- Hart (Man City) Richards (Man City) Cole (Chelsea) Jones (Man Utd) Terry (Chelsea) Gerrard (Liverpool) Barry (Man City) Walcott (Arsenal) Wilshere (Arsenal) Young (Man utd) Rooney (Man Utd) If playing in club competition, that side would go very close to winning the Premiership, arguably the best domestic league in the world. Therefore, we should surely have a chance of doing well internationally? This 'best league in the world' delusion just makes me laugh. If what you say is true, how come English players in this league are made to look technically inept by Montenegro? There's a difference between 'best' and 'most entertaining', and surely we know which side of that difference the prem falls. Players who play for the best national sides in the world are conspicuous by their absence from the prem, because they know that their skills will be wasted in the high-speed, kick and rush that's played here. Send all our kids to play in Spain for 5 years, then see what kind of national team we've got. If that's the case, why do the top Premiership sides always do well in the champions league? I suppose you could argue that it's due to the foreign talent, carrying the English lads a bit? That might be true to an extent, but I still think the side I posted above would finish in the top 3 of our domestic league. All in all though, even that doesn't translate to us being anywhere near good enough to win an international tournament. There are a number of reasons for that, which we're all aware of, but I'm of the opinion that if the right team is picked (which it rarely is), and the right manager is in charge (which he isn't), then reaching the quarter finals of major tournaments is a decent enough outcome.
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Post by mayf on Oct 8, 2011 10:46:37 GMT
Walcott has to be the most over-rated player in the country. He'd struggle to get into our team
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Post by onionman on Oct 8, 2011 14:37:55 GMT
You're right, we certainly won't win it, but I think we have a better side than we did in the world cup:- Hart (Man City) Richards (Man City) Cole (Chelsea) Jones (Man Utd) Terry (Chelsea) Gerrard (Liverpool) Barry (Man City) Walcott (Arsenal) Wilshere (Arsenal) Young (Man utd) Rooney (Man Utd) If playing in club competition, that side would go very close to winning the Premiership, arguably the best domestic league in the world. Therefore, we should surely have a chance of doing well internationally? It's a still a very poor side by the standards of England teams from the past 20 or 30 years though. Hart is a good keeper, Jones is raw but admittedly has good potential, Young is a reasonable international winger. But the rest are a combination of: players who've consistently played badly and/or let themselves down with poor discipline in previous competitions (Terry, Rooney, Gerrard) limited players who have massive flaws in their game at the top level (Barry, Walcott, Richards) out and out wankers (Cole and Wilshere) They really are a very difficult bunch to support.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 8, 2011 14:46:22 GMT
Walcott has to be the most over-rated player in the country. He'd struggle to get into our team Spot on. He was dogshit last night. One good cross and that was it. He's SWP markII. Runs fast, can't shoot, can't cross, can't track back or tackle. And he got a 7 in The Times. Clearly didn't watch the same game as me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 15:12:05 GMT
Cannot wait until after Euro 2012 so that Crapello can leave and I can start being excited about England again. Will it really be that much different after he goes?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 15:38:55 GMT
It could be, depends who we get and what he does.
El Tel got us playing some good stuff, no one thought we could after Tunip Head.
"The best England team I played in was the one under Terry Venables before Euro 96. Terry's knowledge and tactical know-how were spot-on and he knew how to get the best out of us too. We responded to him, believed in him and played some outstanding football in that tournament." Alan Shearer
NB: We responded to him, believed in him.
Does Rooney believe in Crapello?do the others?
The England players looked like they were being made to do cross country in the rain instead of going in the nice warm gym to play basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 15:49:33 GMT
It could be, depends who we get and what he does. El Tel got us playing some good stuff, no one thought we could after Tunip Head. "The best England team I played in was the one under Terry Venables before Euro 96. Terry's knowledge and tactical know-how were spot-on and he knew how to get the best out of us too. We responded to him, believed in him and played some outstanding football in that tournament." Alan Shearer NB: We responded to him, believed in him. Does Rooney believe in Crapello?do the others? The England players looked like they were being made to do cross country in the rain instead of going in the nice warm gym to play basketball. I think too much is made of Venables' time in the job. He didn't have to qualify, we had home advantage, and while we played some great stuff at Euro '96 we played some dismal stuff as well. Capello going can only be a good thing, but the same fundamental problems are going to remain, and I'm not convinced we're going to be significantly better whoever we get.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 16:22:02 GMT
Its sounds like England has played someone recently
who ? when ?
rugby ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 18:29:49 GMT
This national hate really grinds on me and strikes me as quite "bandwagon-y". I, and lots of people that I know, don't 'hate' England. But I, and they, don't care for England nowadays. I watched the Republic's game last night, as it held more interest with Whelan being included. When I saw that cock-end Rooney got sent off yet again for petulance, I thought ' typical'. It shouldn't be that way, but if England played on my back lawn, I probably wouldn't bother opening the blinds.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 8, 2011 20:58:44 GMT
Euro 96 in a nutshell
v Switzerland sh** v Scotland average v Spain sh** and so lucky v Holland ace v Germany ace and unlucky
Better than most campaigns since then, but rose-tinted specs aots
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Post by werrington on Oct 8, 2011 21:00:55 GMT
Euro 96 in a nutshell v Switzerland sh** v Scotland average v Spain sh** and so lucky v Holland ace v Germany ace and unlucky Better than most campaigns since then, but rose-tinted specs aots Big mistake sacking Venables Bunny as he was starting to get things going with Shearer Sheringham and an in form Gascoigne
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 8, 2011 21:08:44 GMT
I agree and at least we played with tempo.
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Post by werrington on Oct 8, 2011 21:10:59 GMT
I agree and at least we played with tempo. I also think Hoddle was getting it right but as with Venables got sacked for reasons other than football.....from then on its been downhill bar a few good results
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 8, 2011 21:15:46 GMT
The very thought of those wanky little plastic England flags flapping about on every other car on the road is already stressing me out. England will qualify to the knockout stage resulting in England flags displayed in bedroom windows and Sun newspaper 'cut out and keep' England masks. In the Quarter finals they will meet someone half decent and get beat.
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Post by alanhudsonsdad on Oct 8, 2011 22:09:15 GMT
I think all we want are performances to be proud of, we won't win it and we should all make sure the press don't build it up before sending hacks in to get scandel stories. We play poorly as a team, we are technically inferior to the Dutch and Spanish and tactically inept against the germans and italians - our work ethic is inferior to scandanavian and balkan countries so that makes us getting out of th egroup an 'achievement. We just need to lower our expectations and be realistic
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 9, 2011 11:54:17 GMT
Agree alanhudsonsdad. The crazy level of expectancy is an ever increasing part of the problem.
As for the flags on display, where's the harm in it? It's harmless fun.
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Post by onionman on Oct 9, 2011 13:10:24 GMT
As for the flags on display, where's the harm in it? It's harmless fun. It's probably easier to avoid getting pissed off by it from the other side of the world though mate. It essentially is harmless, but the falseness of it can grate when you're faced with it 24/7. I think it's the media hype that goes hand-in-hand with it, followed by the inevitable shock when we lose to the first decent team we play, which makes it irritating.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 10, 2011 12:24:33 GMT
It be annoying at times BUT I remember the times when nogger was an embarassment and nobody did anything to celebrate World Cup or Euro time.
In 1986 England’s tournament came belatedly to life when Gary Lineker beat Poland 3-0. This bought much needed relief to the country and despite the sluggish start England qualified for the second round. This sent me into a litte bout of Word Cup fever….not that I’ve ever been lacking in that condition!! To demonstrate to Lineker and co that the nation was well and truly behind them I lovingly placed an England flag in the bedroom window.
Younger people reading might find this hard to believe but there was a time when football wasn’t fashionable. In fact, football supporters were pariahs, regarded with disgust and contempt. Walking down a street wearing a football shirt could result in people crossing the road to avoid you and if fathers found out their teenage daughters were dating a football fan it could signal a sudden halt to blossoming love. I remember starting work in 1985 and telling one of my colleagues I was a Stoke fan and attended matches and she nearly dropped her sponge. She shook her head and told me she was surprised because I’d “Seemed such a nice lad”. In the mid 80s football was not something the nation could easily hold close to it’s heart.
However bombastic the flags are at least it shows football is acceptable.
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Post by lordb on Oct 10, 2011 12:31:11 GMT
It be annoying at times BUT I remember the times when nogger was an embarassment and nobody did anything to celebrate World Cup or Euro time. In 1986 England’s tournament came belatedly to life when Gary Lineker beat Poland 3-0. This bought much needed relief to the country and despite the sluggish start England qualified for the second round. This sent me into a litte bout of Word Cup fever….not that I’ve ever been lacking in that condition!! To demonstrate to Lineker and co that the nation was well and truly behind them I lovingly placed an England flag in the bedroom window. Younger people reading might find this hard to believe but there was a time when football wasn’t fashionable. In fact, football supporters were pariahs, regarded with disgust and contempt. Walking down a street wearing a football shirt could result in people crossing the road to avoid you and if fathers found out their teenage daughters were dating a football fan it could signal a sudden halt to blossoming love. I remember starting work in 1985 and telling one of my colleagues I was a Stoke fan and attended matches and she nearly dropped her sponge. She shook her head and told me she was surprised because I’d “Seemed such a nice lad”. In the mid 80s football was not something the nation could easily hold close to it’s heart. However bombastic the flags are at least it shows football is acceptable. bang on the money now of course - & by now I mean the SKY/premier league era - football is vastly overhyped I've no problem with anyone saying England are no good or whatever however I do have a problem when people don't want to asscociate them selves with England because they are no good. What happens when England come good (might be a while to be fair....)? going to declare support for England then? I support Stoke & England (in that order) regardless of form.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 10, 2011 21:49:37 GMT
Jones didn't convince me at all he's ready on Friday but we should persevere with him because he is obviously a talent. But Richards, Kelly and Walker if playing at right back regularly deserve their chances first at right back.
And if Gary Cahill is an international defender, I'm the Pope. He was garbage.
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Post by Paul_Stoke on Oct 10, 2011 22:59:45 GMT
It be annoying at times BUT I remember the times when nogger was an embarassment and nobody did anything to celebrate World Cup or Euro time. In 1986 England’s tournament came belatedly to life when Gary Lineker beat Poland 3-0. This bought much needed relief to the country and despite the sluggish start England qualified for the second round. This sent me into a litte bout of Word Cup fever….not that I’ve ever been lacking in that condition!! To demonstrate to Lineker and co that the nation was well and truly behind them I lovingly placed an England flag in the bedroom window. Younger people reading might find this hard to believe but there was a time when football wasn’t fashionable. In fact, football supporters were pariahs, regarded with disgust and contempt. Walking down a street wearing a football shirt could result in people crossing the road to avoid you and if fathers found out their teenage daughters were dating a football fan it could signal a sudden halt to blossoming love. I remember starting work in 1985 and telling one of my colleagues I was a Stoke fan and attended matches and she nearly dropped her sponge. She shook her head and told me she was surprised because I’d “Seemed such a nice lad”. In the mid 80s football was not something the nation could easily hold close to it’s heart. However bombastic the flags are at least it shows football is acceptable. bang on the money now of course - & by now I mean the SKY/premier league era - football is vastly overhyped I've no problem with anyone saying England are no good or whatever however I do have a problem when people don't want to asscociate them selves with England because they are no good. What happens when England come good (might be a while to be fair....)? going to declare support for England then? I support Stoke & England (in that order) regardless of form. Spot on mate. . I travel to the England matches and went to Montenegro for the game on Friday. Stoke will always be number one but I am english also and proud to be so.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Oct 10, 2011 23:57:33 GMT
Christ, what a bunch. I was brought up to think that you supported your team (Stoke or England) through thick and thin, good or bad. How many people on here have said they are not interested because England are shit?
This is why our crowds will soon drop back down to 11,000 when/if we are relegated.
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