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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 12:07:55 GMT
Not sure I can all the way with you on this....
More people on here declare an undying hate for ManU than any other team (even Arsenal) so it cannot be just another game. It is infused with a lot of ill-feeling from many Stoke fans. It is also a game against the best team in the country, full of world-class stars - I think it's a bit more than 'just another game'.
Maybe they are passionate about their team and feel compelled to trawl the web defending them from attacks from other fans. I agree, Some of them are complete knobs who want to do that playground thing where you pick on a little kid and taunt him until he kicks out. Others seem to be more defensive. I think they tend to claim that ManU are the leading team in the country and that much of what has been achieved and given to English football is through that. Nauseating as that may be, there is some truth in it.
I think that both these songs were written buy American composers and have been stolen by everyone and adapted to football. Replace the word Orlygsson with Robertson, Georgie Best and dozens of other players all over the UK and you will find it was sung at least as far back as the 60's. I think, ironically, 'There's only one Steino' is adapted from Blue Moon, the signature tune of Man City their hated rivals. If they start singing Delilah, that's when I'll take umbrage.
That's probably about right. Most people live in their TVs and because the media force feeds us celebrity shagging and shooting and endless dissection thereof, from Old Trafford at every opportunity, many feel closer to ManU than Stoke. I think they are rather sad individuals for not opening their front doors to go and discover a bit of the real world.
Really???
I think their travelling fans are more like the real fans. Traditionally ManU used to be the bunch that you knew had come to town. There were fires all over the Stoke End terraces during the match, loads of noise and very intimidating. It may have changed, become sanitised and mass marketed, but the prawn sandwich lot generally only go to Old Trafford, the rest of them are probably just as embarrassed by them as we would be
I wish it were true.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Sept 22, 2011 13:04:00 GMT
I'm afraid we barely register on the Man Utd radar. I suspect they figure very prominently on the radars of virtually every other club, because of their size, success, profile (and arrogance - which itself is sustained in part by the fact that they are a generally disliked "brand"). I would say that that used to be particularly the case for us, because of the large number of locals who "followed" them; but these days, with the marketing power of the PL in particular, their reach is of course very widespread.
However, I think the original post was as much about "gloryhunting" residents of N Staffs as anything else. And of course for them it is a huge game. I remember very clearly how many kids at my junior school in Leek were Man Utd "fans", especially at the time they were really in their pomp in the late 60s, and particularly when they won the European Cup in 68. I recognised that as a betrayal then, and I recognise it as a betrayal now. Miserable, spineless and craven - they are a bit like latter day Vichy collaborationist sympathisers. If Dante were to revisit his masterwork, he might reserve a special concentric circle of his Inferno for these wretches.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 18:11:53 GMT
You can just tell can't you? This is just another game for us. Sure, none of us especially like the opposition, but it's just a run of the mill league game. I look out for the games against West Brazil, Wolves and Arsenal when the fixtures come out long before I've even begun thinking about the Manchester United game. They're just not that big a draw, as shown by the fact that it was one of the few games where the home section didn't sell out last season. There are more Manchester United supporter's accounts on here than even Sunderland supporters. Off the top of my head I can think of redman, busbybabes, Ki, redarmyvet and there are countless others. It doesn't just happen around our matches, they're on here 365 days of the year popping up on any thread where Manchester United are mentioned even tenuously to tell us all that Manchester United invented every single thing in football ever and that we're all obsessed with them. They really don't see the blinding hypocrisy in that statement. Then again, they try to make out that Stoke have stolen all of their songs, conveniently forgetting that they took 'There's only one Steino' and 'Orlygsson running down the wing' and adapted them for Roy Keane and Ryan Giggs respectively. The word 'small time' doesn't even begin to sum them up. They're perhaps the poxiest, pettiest, most clueless supporters in the league. Arsenal's supporters are effeminate football haters, but they don't have the same small time attitude as Manchester United's supporters. It's the biggest game of the season for the local gloryhunters as well. We all know that gloryhunting is a sign of a lifetime of underachievement and chronic mental weakness. It's the preserve of people who don't give a damn about football, and those who are so disliked among their peers, and who have so little worthy of remark in their life, that they choose to 'follow' a club who they perceive as winners. They think that it gives them something in their life that they can gloat about and impress people with. "Your team are shit, I support a proper team because I'm really good." Some of them actually think that real supporters are impressed by their hollow victory cries. As we all know, the prevalent response to them is one of overriding pity. Back to my point, this is the one time of the year when the small time local gloryhunting sub-human thinks that he'll get one over those nasty Stoke supporters who think they're so much better than him because they go to see their team and don't care that his team win stuff. Beating Stoke at the Britannia Stadium for him means more than winning the treble in 1999. Even more so than the rest of the Manchester United support, he sees it as his cup final. I'm slightly embarrassed for them if I'm honest. They're just a small time club who are going to enjoy their day in the sun on Saturday. Of course, their supporters won't actually turn up vocally. For all the bravado, when we played them for the first time after promotion they sat on their hands for 90 minutes in complete silence, only stirring when they scored their late winner. Even then, they gave a quick burst of 'Argentina' and shut up again. The year after they outsung us, and last season it was about 50-50. They're not a patch on Hajduk Split, for example. They're not even the best away supporters in the league. I'm not sure they even get into the top four. Lots of bravado, lots of small time mentality, very little actual product. I reiterate: Manchester United supporters are a small time mob obsessed with Stoke City.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 18:14:42 GMT
Not sure I can all the way with you on this.... More people on here declare an undying hate for ManU than any other team (even Arsenal) so it cannot be just another game. It is infused with a lot of ill-feeling from many Stoke fans. It is also a game against the best team in the country, full of world-class stars - I think it's a bit more than 'just another game'. Maybe they are passionate about their team and feel compelled to trawl the web defending them from attacks from other fans. I agree, Some of them are complete knobs who want to do that playground thing where you pick on a little kid and taunt him until he kicks out. Others seem to be more defensive. I think they tend to claim that ManU are the leading team in the country and that much of what has been achieved and given to English football is through that. Nauseating as that may be, there is some truth in it. I think that both these songs were written buy American composers and have been stolen by everyone and adapted to football. Replace the word Orlygsson with Robertson, Georgie Best and dozens of other players all over the UK and you will find it was sung at least as far back as the 60's. I think, ironically, 'There's only one Steino' is adapted from Blue Moon, the signature tune of Man City their hated rivals. If they start singing Delilah, that's when I'll take umbrage. That's probably about right. Most people live in their TVs and because the media force feeds us celebrity shagging and shooting and endless dissection thereof, from Old Trafford at every opportunity, many feel closer to ManU than Stoke. I think they are rather sad individuals for not opening their front doors to go and discover a bit of the real world. Really??? I think their travelling fans are more like the real fans. Traditionally ManU used to be the bunch that you knew had come to town. There were fires all over the Stoke End terraces during the match, loads of noise and very intimidating. It may have changed, become sanitised and mass marketed, but the prawn sandwich lot generally only go to Old Trafford, the rest of them are probably just as embarrassed by them as we would be I wish it were true.
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Post by meowd on Sept 24, 2011 9:57:23 GMT
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Post by mayf on Sept 24, 2011 10:13:11 GMT
This thread is either a wind up or the OP needs to see a shrink to confront his delusional tendencies
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 24, 2011 18:46:13 GMT
Anybody left to pretend their away support is anything special? Hilarious when their whole gloryhunting complex came crashing down around them, leaving them spending the second half in silence (as well as the first 20 minutes) and then barging out of the exits as quickly as possible.
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Post by Targaryen Stokie on Sept 24, 2011 19:29:30 GMT
I'll agree with you about their away support, it was absolutely abysmal. They didn't get behind their team at all after we'd scored.
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