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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 9:30:42 GMT
It's barely made a dent. If we'd lost or drawn OR only scraped a win there would be loads more discussion on it.
Does everyone just enjoy complaining about the crap performances more than lauding the good ones??
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 5, 2011 9:34:06 GMT
It's barely made a dent. If we'd lost or drawn OR only scraped a win there would be loads more discussion on it. Does everyone just enjoy complaining about the crap performances more than lauding the good ones?? As far as the British media is concerned, the answer is YES! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 9:40:56 GMT
It was a great result.
I think there is just quite a bit of apathy when it comes to England at the moment.
We all expected big things when Capello came in “I’ll pick players on merit, not on reputation” and its become “same old, same old”.
Phil Jones performs for Blackburn, nothing. He signs for Man Utd, he gets called up. He’s the same player, just at a different club.
Smalling – signs for Man Utd, called up.
Cleverley has an excellent season at Wigan, nothing. Goes back to Man U, called up. Again, same player as he was at Wigan but only called up at Man U.
Etherington has performed consistently at the top level for years yet has been overlooked at various points by player who weren’t even being selected by their clubs. It just so happens that their clubs are more fashionable.
We’ll qualify, I have no doubt about that, but it will be same old same old when it comes to the real thing and we will freeze on the big stage.
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 5, 2011 9:41:45 GMT
'lauding the good ones'
They were shockingly bad and just like last time they will be easily beaten when they play a decent team.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 9:46:33 GMT
There's apathy maybe. BUT if things hadn't gone well there would be lots more discussion about it. And people venting unjustified anger.
My view is that we played well and I've thought all along we'll qualify....but Spain and Germany have nowt to worry about from us.
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 5, 2011 9:55:07 GMT
I think you are confusing playing well with easily beating a shit team.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 10:00:12 GMT
No. Bulgaria away is a difficult fixture. We did well.
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Post by boothenender on Sept 5, 2011 10:04:02 GMT
England ...world cup winners 1966..
this was a great moment in English footballing history and should never be forgotten.
England v Bulgaria 2011..
i have forgotten already.
England is a poor set up both on and off the pitch.
players are picked on marketability not playing ability.
its all about selling and putting punters arses on seats at the "home" of football.
I'm proud to be an Englishman but not proud of the English footballing establishment.
England v wales...I'm working and i will not bother if we win lose or draw.
the hype surrounding England is about one thing......kerching...end of....
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Post by wembley4372 on Sept 5, 2011 10:05:25 GMT
I don't think you watched the same game as me Joe. they will have to do better than that to beat Wales.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 10:15:18 GMT
I did watch it. I'll never grasp why some people think England should sweep everyone aside. Given the limitations of English players England do OK. A quarter final team. And thats that.
It can change but it's unlikely. Few people seem willing to give anything up for the good of the national team...and that includes us the supporters.
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Post by Gods on Sept 5, 2011 10:19:05 GMT
I think people get hyped up about the national team when the Euro and World Cup Finals come around and take centre stage and there is no club football on.
They don't get excited about the qualifiers partly because England (through their top 4 world ranking) have been presented with a qualifying group so benign it would be almost impossible to fail to get out of it.
But come the Euro finals most people will be revved up for it.
>>> And I should have added it is probably different when you are overseas (as your user name suggests you are) since it is the national side local folks will want to quiz you about rather than more parochial club matters.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 5, 2011 10:22:58 GMT
The gutless surrender of 22 Millionaires and their bumbling idiot Millionaire manager 14 months ago in Africa, coupled with you largely having to appear for one of five of clubs to feature, seems to have unsurprisingly rendered some people in a perpetual state of ‘couldn’t give a fuck’.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 10:28:35 GMT
But if we hadn't won lost the same people who 'don't give a fuck' would be going on about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 10:35:08 GMT
Joe,
I can't speak for everyone on this but I honestly didn't care about Fridays game.
To the point where I couldn't even be arsed to watch it.
When we qualify I will probably become interested for the real thing and get caught up in the whole excitement/anticipation followed quickly by massive dissapointment when they let us down again followed even quicker by looking forward to watching Stoke City again.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 5, 2011 10:36:32 GMT
The gutless surrender of 22 Millionaires and their bumbling idiot Millionaire manager 14 months ago in Africa, coupled with you largely having to appear for one of five of clubs to feature, seems to have unsurprisingly rendered some people in a perpetual state of ‘couldn’t give a fuck’. Bang on my passion for the England team is at an all time low given the reason given by Sheikhmomo and WD. The main grip is time and time again we pick the same players from the same teams. I'm an extremely patriotic person but England football just pisses me off I'd rather get behind the Athletics team more. |
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Sept 5, 2011 10:41:00 GMT
could agree more - its the SA hangover
no-one cares
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Post by MrDBrent on Sept 5, 2011 10:42:39 GMT
It's barely made a dent. If we'd lost or drawn OR only scraped a win there would be loads more discussion on it. Does everyone just enjoy complaining about the crap performances more than lauding the good ones?? couldnt agree more. Well said. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 10:46:31 GMT
It all comes down to the mindless non sensical unjustifiable scale of the expectation on the England team at tournament time.
There is no basis at all for anyone to expect England to win a tournament.
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 5, 2011 10:48:57 GMT
I too have lost a lot of faith but i still watched the game and they did play very well tbf...
Is no-one watching tomorrows match against the Taffs on ITV then...?
I am, and looking forward to it tbh...
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Post by jonnybravo on Sept 5, 2011 10:49:59 GMT
England were crap on friday if we played a top 20 team we would of got
shown up for how bad we are,our group is the easy'est group we could of got
the back 4 apart from terry were poor cahill was static all the time and fell over for his goal
smalling kept getting skinned by there winger,walcott was acting like he was in a 100 metre
sprint up and down the wing then remembered he had the ball onc thee he lost it
did parker touch the ball? barry did nothing
england are just a football club run in london to me run by managers who get told
where to pick the players from by the FA,why dya think managers like big sam or
martin o'neill did'nt get the england job they would do the job the way they wanted to
stuart peace will probly get the next england job because he's a yes man and does what hes
told like maclaren and sven and capello aint got a clue about english football
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Post by Funky on Sept 5, 2011 10:51:45 GMT
When did England play?
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 5, 2011 10:53:25 GMT
It all comes down to the mindless non sensical unjustifiable scale of the expectation on the England team at tournament time. There is no basis at all for anyone to expect England to win a tournament. Oft stated best league in the World and the National team never out of the top 6 teams in the World is the cause of the expectation, as is the media's Golden Generation bollocks.. I always expected better than what the team delivered, South Africa put paid to that, i expect far less now.. |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 5, 2011 10:55:26 GMT
England were crap on friday if we played a top 20 team we would of got shown up for how bad we are,our group is the easy'est group we could of got the back 4 apart from terry were poor cahill was static all the time and fell over for his goal smalling kept getting skinned by there winger,walcott was acting like he was in a 100 metre sprint up and down the wing then remembered he had the ball onc thee he lost it did parker touch the ball? barry did nothing england are just a football club run in london to me run by managers who get told where to pick the players from by the FA,why dya think managers like big sam or martin o'neill did'nt get the england job they would do the job the way they wanted to stuart peace will probly get the next england job because he's a yes man and does what hes told like maclaren and sven and capello aint got a clue about english football And still we won 3-0 away from home...? Isn't that always mooted as the sign of a good team, play badly and win..? Even though we didn't play badly btw...  |
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Post by Zero on Sept 5, 2011 11:00:42 GMT
To be honest, I don't see why it should be surprising that people would get far more concerned about England losing against a team that they should really defeat than pleased about their victory. If England lost to India in football, then yes, people would get pretty angry and would complain; if they won then, well, great praise or anything of the sort would seem a bit peculiar. I mean, maybe if they won emphatically, say by 5 or 6 goals, some excitement may be raised, but in this case it doesn't seem to merit much cheer, especially since it's not like they have a highly difficult challenge in these qualifiers.
Of course, there's also the fact that, if people didn't derive great enjoyment from complaining about crap performances, they wouldn't have much incentive to support England.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2011 11:04:55 GMT
The fact that most people stopped giving a shit about England some time ago probably explains the some of it as well.
It is absolutely impossible to want England to do really well when tossers of the like of Cole, Lampard, Terry et all are involved.
Imagine if we won a major competition with Terry as captain. We would have to look at his smug face, listen to his worthless opinion for the rest of our lives.
England are toss and really and truly, if they can't beat Bulgaria, without their best player, then it would truly have been time to pack it all in.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 11:05:37 GMT
They aren't Spain but Bulgaria away is always a fiddly game.
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Post by hooftastic on Sept 5, 2011 11:09:09 GMT
I almost (but not quite) find myself wanting England to fail, not because I want to moan, not because I want to get some one-upmanship over someone or not even because I was born in Ireland.
I hate the way the players think they are doing us a favour, they way they visibly try less for their country, their behaviour (on and off the pitch), the selection process, the way the next big thing for England (Wilshere) gets a free ride and as few cards as humanly possibly when playing for Arsenal, John Terry.
I'd also like to say I care as much about England as the players do (IE not very much) but that isn't true either, we can't help but care.
I originally thought Capello was decent but it turns out he is totally spineless and a liar. I'm not one of those xenophobes who want him gone because he isn't English (did we learn nothing from McLaren and do we really think Harry will be better?) but he has totally lost the plot, dressing room and fans.
The emergence of the English team diving does my head in too. Not because it's bad form, immoral, deceitful etc but because we are shit at it. Gerrard and Rooney are the worst divers ever. Wilshere has started it too but seems a bit better at it (Wengers coaching perhaps).
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 5, 2011 11:11:58 GMT
Fuckin ell....
There'd be some right miserable fuckers on here if we ever won the Euro's or the World Cup...
;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 11:26:56 GMT
Did Mighty England play recently ?
didnt know
dont really care either
does that thick itialian spazzer still manage them ?
wake me up when they qualify for something they might actually have a chance in
like a primary school sack race for example
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 5, 2011 11:36:13 GMT
does that thick itialian spazzer still manage them ?
Is that terminology appropriate??
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