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Post by pittshillplotter on Aug 31, 2011 22:30:51 GMT
....or biggest mistake..?  I think the signing of Palacios is a great signing , and I also think that Peter Crouch will score us plenty of goals given our style of play , but it's just the price tag for his services that concerns me. He is now 30 years of age so his resale value will be virtually nothing. As for Camerone Jerome , well his price is reasonable , but the doubt about him is , whether he can score us the goals when called upon. Overall , I'm pretty satisfied , just very undecided as to whether the long wait for these signings has proved to be any better financially..ie: Did we strike a better deal by waiting..? |
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Post by desman2 on Aug 31, 2011 22:35:47 GMT
The fee for Crouch could well include some sort of financial arrangement for the player as im sure he was probably on more money at Spurs. I think someone on here described how it worked
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 22:37:05 GMT
I think Jerome will turn out to be a better signing than Crouch.
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Post by stokelad84 on Aug 31, 2011 22:38:26 GMT
Why is resale value so important? If he scores us goals in the league and cup competitions then he will effectively pay for himself.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Aug 31, 2011 22:38:36 GMT
I think Jerome will turn out to be a better signing than Crouch. In what way ....Goals ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 22:39:09 GMT
I think Jerome will turn out to be a better signing than Crouch. In what way ....Goals ? In that he's younger, quicker and fits into our system better. |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2011 22:40:38 GMT
I think Jerome will turn out to be a better signing than Crouch. Nothing Jerome has done in his career suggests that. Struggled to hold down a place in a relegated Brum team and doesn't score goals. Crouch HAS scored goals at all levels, although I'm not his greatest fan. Good luck to them both. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 31, 2011 22:41:18 GMT
Palacios should be a big upgrade on our defensive midfield.
Jerome is alright as cover: shouldn't be too expensive and shouldn't cause too many problems if he ends up on the bench (like we woulda had with Bendtner).
Woodgate's a great deal for a year. Upson is an upgrade on Davies and free.
Crouch? Hmmm... getting on a bit for the fee we probably have to fork out - I'd rather have kept Carew for zilch. Was kinda hoping we'd sign a younger striker, but I've always liked the guy. He can win a lot in the air and scores plenty for England.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Aug 31, 2011 22:41:55 GMT
Has Crouch definitely signed?
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Post by pittshillplotter on Aug 31, 2011 22:43:05 GMT
Why is resale value so important? If he scores us goals in the league and cup competitions then he will effectively pay for himself. Let me explain it this way. His resale value isn't that important , but his price tag in relation to his age and durability is. Several clubs were put off by it... |
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Post by bigvern on Aug 31, 2011 22:43:11 GMT
the fee for crouch is excessive but he definitely is to us what robinho was to man city, the next level.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 31, 2011 22:43:17 GMT
Palacios should be a big upgrade on our defensive midfield. Jerome is alright as cover: shouldn't be too expensive and shouldn't cause too many problems if he ends up on the bench (like we woulda had with Bendtner). Woodgate's a great deal for a year. Upson is an upgrade on Davies and free. Crouch? Hmmm... getting on a bit for the fee we probably have to fork out - I'd rather have kept Carew for zilch. Was kinda hoping we'd sign a younger striker, but I've always liked the guy. He can win a lot in the air and scores plenty for England. Rather have kept Carew for zilch ? Are you mad ? Is it your money ? Crouch is s statement of intent and could be massive for us. Carew was an injury prone standby |
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Aug 31, 2011 22:43:30 GMT
Jerome will be a great signing for us, very underrated imo.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 31, 2011 22:43:41 GMT
It is something that concerned me at first, but Peter Coates is obviously happy to sign the cheque so why worry too much?
Jerome will fit us like a glove. We have been crying out for someone quick to chase balls down the channels to take the pressure off late in the game.
Birmingham's problem was that he would get into good positions out wide and Zigic would still be lumbering about in the centre circle.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Aug 31, 2011 22:44:43 GMT
Has Crouch definitely signed? Don't think , but appears to be a formality. (This is Stoke tho'    ) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 22:44:44 GMT
I think Jerome will turn out to be a better signing than Crouch. Nothing Jerome has done in his career suggests that. Struggled to hold down a place in a relegated Brum team and doesn't score goals. Crouch HAS scored goals at all levels, although I'm not his greatest fan. Good luck to them both. There was little to suggest that Jon Walters would turn out to be a better signing than Dave Kitson, given their respective careers up to the point we signed them. Jerome was stuck on his own up front in a Brum side that negative it made us look cavalier. He scored 11 league goals the year before that in the Prem. He has the work rate and aerial ability to play the Walters role running the channels and brings some much-needed pace to the strike force which is going to particularly help when we play on the break away from home. Crouch is tall, a good player, and scores goals, but which of our two rigid striker roles does he fit into? He isn't quick or mobile, he isn't especially strong or renowned for putting a shift in, he doesn't bustle past people like Ric or Jones at their best. He also won't have attacking midfielders to play off him like he did at Spurs. He runs the risk of getting isolated. |
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Post by TheBra1n on Aug 31, 2011 22:45:30 GMT
considering that the 5 players that have come in have a combined total of almost 150 caps for their respective countires, one hasnt even been capped (yet) and 3 are for England really shouldnt be understated
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Post by seddonstandviewer on Aug 31, 2011 22:46:09 GMT
Jerome will end up being the better signing of the two IMO.
Everything about his game fits us.
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Post by Carlos Dickabout on Aug 31, 2011 22:47:07 GMT
Jerome will end up being the better signing of the two IMO. Everything about his game fits us. i want to do mathematical equations on his car |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 31, 2011 22:47:07 GMT
I think Crouch can hold the ball up better than anyone else we've got at the club.
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Post by stanners on Aug 31, 2011 22:48:22 GMT
the fee for crouch is excessive but he definitely is to us what robinho was to man city, the next level. EXACTLY! |
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Post by 4thMarch1972 on Aug 31, 2011 22:51:01 GMT
Crouch looks over priced but don't forget that Woodgate and Upson were free. The net spend is, what, £22 million for the 5 players which, when viewed overall, looks decent value.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 22:56:09 GMT
Crouchy will score us 10 goals a season minimum.
Jerome the same...
Excellent signings and so is Palacios...'The jewel in the crown'.
Tone will now have more options than he will know what to do with..!
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Post by imnotbob on Aug 31, 2011 23:00:20 GMT
If they do their part to bump us a few places higher in the league, perhaps see is progress in Europe and hopefully go on a decent cup run, their price tags become largely irrelevant.
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Post by liamo on Aug 31, 2011 23:04:44 GMT
Crouch is established in the premier league, people fail to realise how important and big this transfer window has been for us, for 22mil we've got 3 england/ex england players, a very very decent midfielder with a lot of caps for his country and another decent striker
The most important thing is now we have options, and a bit of competition upfront won't do jones any harm at all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 23:10:05 GMT
Just a thought, but what if the money we've splashed is recouped through competition money...? I know in champs league the club wins prize money at near enough every stage of the competition. Although it won't be anywhere near the kind of prize money for europa league, I wonder whether the accumulative pay out may have been a factor in the big money gamble. Add that to the extra TV money + all those good things that come with it. Not only will it make us better on the pitch, may work out to be better value for money than it first seems.
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Post by PenkPonther on Aug 31, 2011 23:11:46 GMT
Re: Crouch, he may be 30, but he could easily still be an effective Premier League player for many more years.
Slow trundling target men can go on forever, e.g. Teddy Sheringham, Dean Windass, Tony Cascarino etc.
They can't lose their pace, as they never had any anyway, but they can still be a "big unit" even when pushing 40 or more, never mind at 30.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 23:15:06 GMT
Just a thought, but what if the money we've splashed is recouped through competition money...? I know in champs league the club wins prize money at near enough every stage of the competition. Although it won't be anywhere near the kind of prize money for europa league, I wonder whether the accumulative pay out may have been a factor in the big money gamble. Add that to the extra TV money + all those good things that come with it. Not only will it make us better on the pitch, may work out to be better value for money than it first seems. Nahh , don't think so Pal. I think it's all about staying up in the Premiership and moving us up to the next level. Even if we win the Europa cup it's only worth about £2 million in prize money + all the TV rights and add ons. This money was going to get spent regardless of Europa games is my belief. |
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Post by generationex on Aug 31, 2011 23:18:09 GMT
Does anyone know the last time Stoke had three England internationals playing at the same time? If Shawcross gets a call-up would it be a record?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2011 23:28:01 GMT
Just a thought, but what if the money we've splashed is recouped through competition money...? I know in champs league the club wins prize money at near enough every stage of the competition. Although it won't be anywhere near the kind of prize money for europa league, I wonder whether the accumulative pay out may have been a factor in the big money gamble. Add that to the extra TV money + all those good things that come with it. Not only will it make us better on the pitch, may work out to be better value for money than it first seems. Nahh , don't think so Pal. I think it's all about staying up in the Premiership and moving us up to the next level. Even if we win the Europa cup it's only worth about £2 million in prize money + all the TV rights and add ons. This money was going to get spent regardless of Europa games is my belief. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I was just using Europa league as an example. It all adds up, extra positions in the league (top 10, maybe even europa league again through prem position), cup runs (or even better, wins), the merchandising - all the new shirts getting printed up now the window's shut. We are lucky that PC is willing to risk this kind of money, and its a great statement of intent. We just have to trust that the fellers have weighed up the risk and reward and come to the conclusion that we can pull out the stops like this without it affecting the long term stability of the club. So all in all, nowt to worry about. |
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