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Post by sihanouk on Aug 25, 2011 22:52:00 GMT
The way he clapped at the end was a sure sign he's leaving
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 25, 2011 22:52:56 GMT
Vermaelen?
VERMAELEN?
What would we want with an Arsenal fairy? Actually, he's under 6 foot tall, so make that a pixie. Not one Arsenal centre-back is good enough for us.
Vermaelen indeed. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 25, 2011 22:54:24 GMT
Ryan has started this season in fine form and looks absolutely rock solid.
For me it still has to be Huth and Ryan as our first choice pairing.
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Post by pittshillplotter on Aug 25, 2011 22:54:38 GMT
Tony Pulis & Peter Coates have already stated that he is NOT FOR SALE.
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Post by kert on Aug 25, 2011 23:15:25 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good.
He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Aug 25, 2011 23:18:30 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good. He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons. He's not the best in the league I agree, although I reckon he's far better than Collocini and Evans. Not made my mind up about Smalling yet. That said Ryan is a different type of defender to all of them, he is without doubt the best "natural" defender out of the ones you have listed but the others have parts of their game that Ryan can improve on.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 25, 2011 23:24:02 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good. He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons. Spot on mate!! That accolade belongs to Robert Huth
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Post by kert on Aug 25, 2011 23:24:25 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good. He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons. He's not the best in the league I agree, although I reckon he's far better than Collocini and Evans. Not made my mind up about Smalling yet. That said Ryan is a different type of defender to all of them, he is without doubt the best "natural" defender out of the ones you have listed but the others have parts of their game that Ryan can improve on. I agree he is probably the best natural defender out of all the ones I listed. He would walk into our side, that's for sure (Although i'd rather have Huth as things stand). But I just think one or two are getting a tad carried away and there are a couple of areas he needs to work on. Would he make the starting line-ups of either Manchester side? Highly doubt it. Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs, I reckon so.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 25, 2011 23:24:31 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good. He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons. Last season Danny Collins played quite a few games and never, ever looked solid, even if he is a bit of a special case. With regards to his distribution, it's worth pointing out that he's under orders to play the ball long when he gets it. He's not there to get forward and play through balls, he's there to stay back and hit it long to the target man. He's usually pretty good at it too. I don't know if you've seen our pre-match warm ups, but what happens is our two centre-backs stand on the halfway line and our full-backs stand by the corner flag with a coach. They then practice hitting the ball the across the length of the pitch to each other under a variety of different scenarios. I have no idea what Ryan would be like if he had to play a different game. What I can say is that when he gets the ball at his feet after going forwards for set pieces, his touch isn't too bad and he can lay the ball off to one of his own players successfully.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 25, 2011 23:30:15 GMT
Great player with the potential to become a top player if you take his age into consideration. To those who are suggesting he is the best defender in the league, I would suggest you stay off the crack. He is a good defender, but his distribution stops him from being amongst the best for the time being. The likes of Jonny Evans and Smalling can do the basics equally as well as Shawcross, but also have footballing brains. It might also be worth noting that you guys are very well organised, disciplined, and your midfield protects your back-line very well. I'd go as far as saying, every Stoke defender looks consistently solid. But if you put some of them into our side, they wouldn't look quite as good. He isn't even the best defender outside the top 6, the likes of Jagielka and Collocini had better seasons. Last season Danny Collins played quite a few games and never, ever looked solid, even if he is a bit of a special case. With regards to his distribution, it's worth pointing out that he's under orders to play the ball long when he gets it. He's not there to get forward and play through balls, he's there to stay back and hit it long to the target man. He's usually pretty good at it too. I don't know if you've seen our pre-match warm ups, but what happens is our two centre-backs stand on the halfway line and our full-backs stand by the corner flag with a coach. They then practice hitting the ball the across the length of the pitch to each other under a variety of different scenarios. I have no idea what Ryan would be like if he had to play a different game. What I can say is that when he gets the ball at his feet after going forwards for set pieces, his touch isn't too bad and he can lay the ball off to one of his own players successfully. I've been arguing the same point tonight at the match MD. He plays the ball up to the target man because he's told to, but he's actually very competent with the ball at his feet. I don't think he'd struggle settling into another style of play at a bigger club at all.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 25, 2011 23:32:54 GMT
'Would he make the starting line-ups of either Manchester side? Highly doubt it'
Ryan is far better than Jolean Lescott. I know the limitations of Stoke players, I've been watching them for the past 40 years but Ryan is an exceptional centre back. I have no doubt he is he best central defender in the league at the moment. There are centre backs who can pass the ball better than Ryan without a doubt, but there aren't any who can defend better than Ryan.
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Post by theberlinwall on Aug 25, 2011 23:41:23 GMT
Yea not a good idea to sell as we would find it v hard to get a worthy replacement. Best centre half in the league is a ridiculous statement. Best centre half at the club? That's up for debate. My best back 4 at the club? Huth shawcross woodgate Wilson. Huth looks more disciplined than Wilko I think and offers a huge threat from the set pieces as we know. Also Couldn't drop shawcross and woody they've been triffic
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Post by kert on Aug 25, 2011 23:42:03 GMT
'Would he make the starting line-ups of either Manchester side? Highly doubt it' Ryan is far better than Jolean Lescott. I know the limitations of Stoke players, I've been watching them for the past 40 years but Ryan is an exceptional centre back. I have no doubt he is he best central defender in the league at the moment. There are centre backs who can pass the ball better than Ryan without a doubt, but there aren't any who can defend better than Ryan. Lescott plays left back for them, unless I am mistaken? Lescott's stock has fallen massively since he joined Manchester City, he looked a top player at both Wolves and Everton, but has been made to look the weak link on the bigger stage. I would say Huth is better than Shawcross? Unless Huths goals have given him more plaudits, whereas Shawcross has been the better defender? You tell me. There is no way you can categorically state that he is the best defender in the land, the likes of Ferdinand, Terry, Kompany, even the Carraghers and Dawsons, have looked equally as good as Shawcross but have done it at a higher level over a longer period of time. Perhaps Shawcross will go on to prove himself as good, or better than those mentioned, but at this moment in time he hasn't.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 25, 2011 23:44:46 GMT
'Would he make the starting line-ups of either Manchester side? Highly doubt it' Ryan is far better than Jolean Lescott. I know the limitations of Stoke players, I've been watching them for the past 40 years but Ryan is an exceptional centre back. I have no doubt he is he best central defender in the league at the moment. There are centre backs who can pass the ball better than Ryan without a doubt, but there aren't any who can defend better than Ryan. Huth! ;D
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2011 1:42:05 GMT
'Would he make the starting line-ups of either Manchester side? Highly doubt it' Ryan is far better than Jolean Lescott. I know the limitations of Stoke players, I've been watching them for the past 40 years but Ryan is an exceptional centre back. I have no doubt he is he best central defender in the league at the moment. There are centre backs who can pass the ball better than Ryan without a doubt, but there aren't any who can defend better than Ryan. Lescott plays left back for them, unless I am mistaken? Lescott's stock has fallen massively since he joined Manchester City, he looked a top player at both Wolves and Everton, but has been made to look the weak link on the bigger stage. I would say Huth is better than Shawcross? Unless Huths goals have given him more plaudits, whereas Shawcross has been the better defender? You tell me. There is no way you can categorically state that he is the best defender in the land, the likes of Ferdinand, Terry, Kompany, even the Carraghers and Dawsons, have looked equally as good as Shawcross but have done it at a higher level over a longer period of time. Perhaps Shawcross will go on to prove himself as good, or better than those mentioned, but at this moment in time he hasn't. You are, he's been playing at centre half and has looked very good imo forming a tremendous partnership with Kompany. I think I'm in the minority when I say that I think Lescott deserves his place in the England squad.
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