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Post by markscfc72 on Jun 8, 2011 12:07:57 GMT
 Wow the world really has gone mad
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Post by DentySCFC on Jun 8, 2011 12:09:02 GMT
How much is Shawcross worth then? ???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:10:07 GMT
Hasn't he been injured all season?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jun 8, 2011 12:11:14 GMT
Problem is both Blackburn and Sunderland now have money to burn. This is going to turn in a circus of a transfer window - football is so far removed from every day life - it is just so out of hand
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:12:06 GMT
To be fair, he looks like in a couple of years he'll surpass shawcross, and keep improving. They have sorted out their defence for the future.
This is the right way forward, Vidic and Ferdinand can teach Smalling and Jones the ropes, give them advice etc, its a cracking move when you think about it.
Wenger will never learn this is the way to buy players, and this is why man utd are the most successful team in england, and arsenal havent won a trophy in 6 seasons.
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jun 8, 2011 12:12:39 GMT
Phil Jones is a very good player and will be one of the best in the league in 5 years time.
At present any english player under the age of 21 who features for a Premier league club and plays more than 20 games will be classed as a starlet will now be classed as a £10m pound player.
Lescott, Cahaill, our Ryan, Milner, Henderson, Young, Rodwell, Mark Chamberlains lad.......the market has gone ridiculous but phil Jones is a very good player and will get better and better and better.
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Jun 8, 2011 12:14:20 GMT
He's much better than Evans and Smalling imo.
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Post by atbreakofday on Jun 8, 2011 12:15:10 GMT
Liverpool got Henderson for an over inflated price and Utd get Phil Jones for again an over inflated price. Who do you think has done the best business though? I say Liverpool as the got rid of N'gog in the process. Phil Jones is good though.
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jun 8, 2011 12:15:15 GMT
To be fair, he looks like in a couple of years he'll surpass shawcross, and keep improving. They have sorted out their defence for the future. This is the right way forward, Vidic and Ferdinand can teach Smalling and Jones the ropes, give them advice etc, its a cracking move when you think about it. Wenger will never learn this is the way to buy players, and this is why man utd are the most successful team in england, and arsenal havent won a trophy in 6 seasons. Absolutely spot on Matt. As much as I hate the old whiskey nosed twat and the club and all it stands for, the signing of Jones should it happen and smalling is setting up two very decent central defenders who are English and will play for ten seasons at the top of their game. Its common sense if you have the funds to do it. Arsene wenger just doesn't get it does he. I'm glad he doesn't as well the stupid whinging grey haired tosspot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:19:45 GMT
To be fair, he looks like in a couple of years he'll surpass shawcross, and keep improving. They have sorted out their defence for the future. This is the right way forward, Vidic and Ferdinand can teach Smalling and Jones the ropes, give them advice etc, its a cracking move when you think about it. Wenger will never learn this is the way to buy players, and this is why man utd are the most successful team in england, and arsenal havent won a trophy in 6 seasons. Absolutely spot on Matt. As much as I hate the old whiskey nosed twat and the club and all it stands for, the signing of Jones should it happen and smalling is setting up two very decent central defenders who are English and will play for ten seasons at the top of their game. Its common sense if you have the funds to do it. Arsene wenger just doesn't get it does he. I'm glad he doesn't as well the stupid whinging grey haired tosspot. I know, I think its great, Wenger goes on about all of this - "we are going to set up with youth like barcelona did" etc, what he doesnt realise is barcelona had experienced cup winners already to teach the youth what to do when the going got tough, who have arsenal got? Fabregas? Hasnt won a club trophy, he knows no more about lasting throughot a club competition than anyone else. |
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Post by thebet365 on Jun 8, 2011 12:20:04 GMT
To be fair, he looks like in a couple of years he'll surpass shawcross, and keep improving. They have sorted out their defence for the future. This is the right way forward, Vidic and Ferdinand can teach Smalling and Jones the ropes, give them advice etc, its a cracking move when you think about it. Wenger will never learn this is the way to buy players, and this is why man utd are the most successful team in england, and arsenal havent won a trophy in 6 seasons. Absolutely spot on Matt. As much as I hate the old whiskey nosed twat and the club and all it stands for, the signing of Jones should it happen and smalling is setting up two very decent central defenders who are English and will play for ten seasons at the top of their game. Its common sense if you have the funds to do it. Arsene wenger just doesn't get it does he. I'm glad he doesn't as well the stupid whinging grey haired tosspot. Exactly, whilst this is all happening, what is wenger doing Arsenal have confirmed the signing of teenage defender Carl Jenkinson from London rivals Charlton. The announcement comes at the same time as young Gunners Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke and Oguzhan Ozyakup committed their futures at Emirates Stadium. Wtf is that all about ? ;D |
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Post by rigsby on Jun 8, 2011 12:20:05 GMT
I thought Jones had been playing this season just gone as a central midfielder? He started as a centre half, but i swear he's now starting in midfield?
Have i made that up? Probably.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:20:46 GMT
All of these transfers are like Football Manager,
Eden Hazard will be the next one to go to a big club & Lukaku will go to Chelsea
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jun 8, 2011 12:21:25 GMT
Is Phil Jones really that good?
£16 million....
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Post by One-Two on Jun 8, 2011 12:21:43 GMT
Marco Verratti will be next.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 8, 2011 12:23:19 GMT
thats him in the England team then
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:27:08 GMT
Marco Verratti will be next. Correct, and Yaya Sanogo will be scoring for fun in the Prem |
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Post by thebet365 on Jun 8, 2011 12:27:49 GMT
I thought Jones had been playing this season just gone as a central midfielder? He started as a centre half, but i swear he's now starting in midfield? Have i made that up? Probably. Yes he has, a holding midfield role, Nelson & Samba have been the 1st choice center back pair for Blackburn, but his original role was CB |
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Post by atbreakofday on Jun 8, 2011 12:31:38 GMT
thats him in the England team then Hart, Kyle Walker, Smalling, Phil Jones, Henderson, Wilshere, Milner and Sturridge seems like a half decent young English set up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:44:22 GMT
I do think he is worth it, how old is he, 20??
Never going to leave man utd unless it doesnt work out, so thats 16 mil thats sorted out cb for about 8 years after vidic and ferdinhand leave
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jun 8, 2011 12:44:46 GMT
Is Jones worth £16M-in a word no.
Just like Lescott wasn't or never will be worth £23M, Jordan Henderson isn't worth £20M, Andy carrol isn't worth £35M, Milner isn't worth £24M etc etc etc.
All of this is good for us in one respect because it means that if/when someone does eventually come sniffing around for our Ryan, then we can use these ridiculous sums of money as a starting point.
Put it this way, if Spurs came in for Shawcross and offered us upwards of £15m and we could sign Johnson or Dann from Brum for half that price it would be a superb bit of business. Common sense.
Everton sold Lescott and brought in Distin who is a far better player. Older, granted but still had a few years in him and has looked a great player for them whenever I've seen him. I could use other examples in the past like Milner at Villa and Downing. Half the price, a few years difference in age but not masses amount of difference in talent.
Its called sensible management and having an ability to bring in players you think can improve the team.
£6M for Robert Huth or £20M for Lescott or Cahill or Jones or even Shawcross. I know what option I'd take every single day of the week, and that option would leave me with £10M to spend on another player or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 12:52:57 GMT
Is Jones worth £16M-in a word no. Just like Lescott wasn't or never will be worth £23M, Jordan Henderson isn't worth £20M, Andy carrol isn't worth £35M, Milner isn't worth £24M etc etc etc. All of this is good for us in one respect because it means that if/when someone does eventually come sniffing around for our Ryan, then we can use these ridiculous sums of money as a starting point. Put it this way, if Spurs came in for Shawcross and offered us upwards of £15m and we could sign Johnson or Dann from Brum for half that price it would be a superb bit of business. Common sense. Everton sold Lescott and brought in Distin who is a far better player. Older, granted but still had a few years in him and has looked a great player for them whenever I've seen him. I could use other examples in the past like Milner at Villa and Downing. Half the price, a few years difference in age but not masses amount of difference in talent. Its called sensible management and having an ability to bring in players you think can improve the team. £6M for Robert Huth or £20M for Lescott or Cahill or Jones or even Shawcross. I know what option I'd take every single day of the week, and that option would leave me with £10M to spend on another player or two. Jones at the moment isn't worth 16 mil no, but the spent similar money on smalling, vidic and ferdinand are nearing the end of their careers so in 3 years jones will be worth that, if not more. Bloody good move by fergie, now he has his centre defence sorted for the next 10 seasons |
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Post by RINGO STARR on Jun 8, 2011 12:55:42 GMT
I agree that Phil Jones is a great player and one for the future but he's not even played for his country yet. I can understand that he might be the best England defender in 10 years time and could offer his worth over many a season to come but the prices for him, henderson and Carrol are all bloody ridiculous when you can bring in players like Huth for £6M.
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Post by thebet365 on Jun 8, 2011 13:00:40 GMT
You'll probably find the figures being banded around will be a package value, probably 5 or 6 mill upfront, 1 Million every 30 games, 1 Million for international honours, 1 million if they win the Prem and he's played X amount of games, same goes for Champions League.
Basically he'll have to fulfill all his potential and keep Utd winning trophies for them to part with 16 Million.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2011 13:04:14 GMT
Huth was brought in on a steal from a championship who need to sell.
Newcastle, Sunderland and Blackburn dont need to sell their best players as they do have money, so prices are going to be inflated, plus you look at the fact that they are younger and will have 10 or so years, plus probably not leave that club, it means that they have spent a lot, but how much does a top quality 27 year old cost? 17-18mil? And you'd have to replace them with another for 17 - 18mil for another 5 years, may as well spend more on a young lad and shape them to your mold.
Plus - ferdinand is always bloody injured, jones could play a fair few more than people expect.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jun 8, 2011 14:36:13 GMT
It's nonsense to say that a player who has played 39 professional matches is worth £16M. He has potential but that is it and to pay that much is ridiculous. It's really easy to see why managers go foreign to sign players as it really is going beyond a joke and this window appears to be the most farcical yet.
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Jun 8, 2011 14:38:44 GMT
thats him in the England team then Hart, Kyle Walker, Smalling, Phil Jones, Henderson, Wilshere, Milner and Sturridge seems like a half decent young English set up. Smalling is shit. Get Cahill or Shawcross in that team, then you have a "half decent young English set up". |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 8, 2011 14:48:07 GMT
With prices like this if Shawcross is sold and we don't get £20 million minimum for him then someone needs shooting.
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Post by scfclifer on Jun 8, 2011 15:22:23 GMT
worth every penny imho
i'll get shot for saying this but jones is already on par with shawcross and by the time he hits 23 he'll be a much better player than ryan is currently, very smart buisness by the shit if they can keep him fit, he's a very big lad for a footballer is jones, back trouble and knee problems galore as he get older i reckon
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Post by luke45 on Jun 8, 2011 16:43:43 GMT
Phil Jones is definitely a better holding midfielder than centre-back I think. He's great at breaking play up, and he has a superb range of long and short passing too. It is an inflated price that they're paying for him, but I think he'll prove to be worth the money.
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