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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 10:56:52 GMT
Chelsea might have been better off paying £3m for Fuller and using him as an impact sub for a couple of seasons. He could be very effective in a side who are constantly making chances. certainly he could do no worse than Torres at present.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Apr 4, 2011 11:01:03 GMT
One difference, MOST seasons torres is a 15-20 goals a season man, fuller isnt. Youve only got look at the game, they had one good chance and scored, thats what you pay the big bucks for strikers at this level, we had about 5-6 and didnt score, thats the difference mate.
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 11:05:05 GMT
One difference, MOST seasons torres is a 15-20 goals a season man, fuller isnt. Youve only got look at the game, they had one good chance and scored, thats what you pay the big bucks for strikers at this level, we had about 5-6 and didnt score, thats the difference mate. they had 1 good chance? what game were you watching? they had a fair few chances just like we did, it was not as one sided as some on here want us to believe. it was a top game which could have gone either way. |
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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 11:05:22 GMT
Exactly - but I would argue that Fuller iwould be likely to get more chances over a season playing for Chelsea ( to date anyway). Then I believe he would become more confident. I think as a short term, impact sub option compared to Torres at the moment there is a good argument for Fuller
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Post by Bamford on Apr 4, 2011 11:07:45 GMT
i dont think torres would have expected to be labelled as impact sub after a £55million transfer. perhaps why hes down on confidence cus hes a great player on form
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Post by scfcloyalist on Apr 4, 2011 11:08:46 GMT
They hit the bar, post, couple good saves, ON TARGET, this is what im saying, drogba had four chances, one post, one bar, one good save and his goal, THIS is what i mean.
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 11:09:46 GMT
They hit the bar, post, couple good saves, ON TARGET, this is what im saying, drogba had four chances, one post, one bar, one good save and his goal, THIS is what i mean. 4 chances? fuller had two. one blocked and one missed, so whos is to say fuller wouldntr have scored two goals with his next two chances? |
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Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 11:10:22 GMT
I've seen some stupid threads before but this probably tops them all.
Torres is a class act ad even though he's on a dry spell his movement and ability on the ball is superb, he will come good and will be knocking 20 a season in add to that he's a young lad at a new club and has years left in him.
Some seem to think Fuller is the finest forward in English football, the guy missed a sitter which was harder to do than scoring, and has been far from prolific in the Premier League as he misses his fair share.
Add to that his attitude, age and it's a no brainer, also talking about short term is pointless as Chelsea didn't pay all that money for a young lad as a short term fix.
Fuller has shone as we've been so desperate for forwards over the years that he's somehow earned god like status.
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Post by provenstokie on Apr 4, 2011 11:11:04 GMT
They hit the bar, post, couple good saves, ON TARGET, this is what im saying, drogba had four chances, one post, one bar, one good save and his goal, THIS is what i mean. 4 chances? fuller had two. one blocked and one missed, so whos is to say fuller wouldntr have scored two goals with his next two chances? Probably the stats of how many goals he's scored in the Premier League since we've been up, i've seen him miss many. |
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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 11:11:05 GMT
Bamford
I agre Torres was one of the best in the world and probably will come good again soon - it just seems to me given Chelsea's millons and the vast difference in value of the 2 players Ric was worth a punt
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Post by StokieMatt on Apr 4, 2011 11:11:13 GMT
id rather have torres
fuller is coming to the end now, season or 2 more of premier football.
and we could sell torres for at least £20 million ;D n then buy someone else
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Post by scfcloyalist on Apr 4, 2011 11:11:59 GMT
Couldnt agree more provenstokie, compairing ricardo fuller to one of the greatest strikers in the world is laughable, its actually slightly embarrassing.
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Post by stodge on Apr 4, 2011 11:12:53 GMT
Anyone other striker who had missed that header would currently be burning at the stake, its not the first like that either, I think striker is pushing it for Fuller nowadays, defence unlocking creator of chances yes...striker no.
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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 11:13:53 GMT
Proven - I think youv'e missed the point
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 11:17:30 GMT
4 chances? fuller had two. one blocked and one missed, so whos is to say fuller wouldntr have scored two goals with his next two chances? Probably the stats of how many goals he's scored in the Premier League since we've been up, i've seen him miss many. ok then, how many goals has your bum boy fernando scored since joining chelsea? how many chances has he had? im not doubting his talent and im sure he will come good people forget that fuller has had a hand in many of our goals especially in the first two seasons in the top flight. he creates things out of nothing, the amount of set pieces he wins for us is fantastic. if people cannot see why he has got god like status they need glasses |
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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 11:48:27 GMT
It's a shame that many of the Oatcake threads have to degenerates into a slanging match . Is it the only way some people have to prove their superiority - it's a shame really and usualy reflects on them.
I shouldn't relly have to explain the point of the thread but I wil try for you Loyalist and Proven
I think that Torres is one of the best strikers in the world - better than Fuller and obviously a better prospect.
BUT - He cost over £50 m Fuller £ ).5 m. He plays in a better team who create more chances over a season for their Strikers . Torres himself and other football people say is current form is abysmal. At present he is an impact sub who is not making an impact. In the SHORT term Fuller given the RELATIVE cost of the 2 players MAY have been a better risk given the wealth of Chelsea.
Is Fuller a better player - No
Would i welcome a straight forward exchange of the two - stupid question - of course.
Can a comparison bemade of course they were both on the same Premiership pitch on Saturday and we can do what we like - we can make comparisons between who we want.
I am more embarrased by arrogant Stoke fans
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2011 11:50:41 GMT
going by what we have all seen of Torres on TV over the years then of course he is one of the worlds top strikers
going by the (6 games is it now?) I've seen him lve then I wouldnt have in front of Mama
is it just a weird coincidence or does 'he just not like it up im'?
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Apr 4, 2011 11:51:37 GMT
They hit the bar, post, couple good saves, ON TARGET, this is what im saying, drogba had four chances, one post, one bar, one good save and his goal, THIS is what i mean. So out of four shots, Drogba only converted one? |
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Post by scfcloyalist on Apr 4, 2011 12:00:48 GMT
He hit the target three out of four. Proves why people pay millions for the strikers. I saw someone post on here about a week ago darren bent is wank, couldnt believe my eyes. Strikers are on the pitch to score goals and finish from the least possible chances, which is where the money goes up for the better ones..
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:01:49 GMT
He hit the target three out of four. Proves why people pay millions for the strikers. I saw someone post on here about a week ago darren bent is wank, couldnt believe my eyes. Strikers are on the pitch to score goals and finish from the least possible chances, which is where the money goes up for the better ones.. hitting the woodwork isnt hitting the target, its technically off target. |
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Post by scfcloyalist on Apr 4, 2011 12:03:57 GMT
Theres always someone who as to be a cocky cunt aint there? Torres is better than fuller FACT so stop trying argue against the point, whats up, fuller your boyfriend?
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Post by Binndy on Apr 4, 2011 12:09:14 GMT
It sums up to an experienced quality player can play badly for several weeks, but will find form again. A good player may play at his best level and contribute to the game. When both players are at their best then the quality shows. one of the advantages of fottball, is that a less ability team with hard work can win an underachieveing quality team. It is a team work game and stoke city now have some good quality but also full commitment of the whole team.
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Apr 4, 2011 12:15:05 GMT
Theres always someone who as to be a cocky cunt aint there? Torres is better than fuller FACT so stop trying argue against the point, whats up, fuller your boyfriend? I'd rather have Fuller ATM. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 4, 2011 12:15:08 GMT
They hit the bar, post, couple good saves, ON TARGET, this is what im saying, drogba had four chances, one post, one bar, one good save and his goal, THIS is what i mean. So out of four shots, Drogba only converted one? True but Drogba is a Pulis wet dream and we'd take him in a heartbeat, he'd knock 20 goals a season in for us no problem. |
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:25:26 GMT
Theres always someone who as to be a cocky cunt aint there? Torres is better than fuller FACT so stop trying argue against the point, whats up, fuller your boyfriend? yeah he ramms my arse all the time whilst saying i say beer can. he also cannot stop talking about your multi million pound bank balance and your "porshe"  no one is doubting torres is the better player you tool |
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Post by french toast on Apr 4, 2011 12:26:22 GMT
So out of four shots, Drogba only converted one? True but Drogba is a Pulis wet dream and we'd take him in a heartbeat, he'd knock 20 goals a season in for us no problem. drogba is the most complete striker in the world imho |
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Apr 4, 2011 13:24:48 GMT
In terms of how much we paid for Fuller and how much Chelsea paid for Torres, we got the much better deal. Torres is the better player though.  |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 4, 2011 13:27:38 GMT
True but Drogba is a Pulis wet dream and we'd take him in a heartbeat, he'd knock 20 goals a season in for us no problem. drogba is the most complete striker in the world imho Right now, you're probably right  |
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Post by Will_75 on Apr 4, 2011 13:28:01 GMT
some spectacular point-missing on here. well done everyone involved.
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Post by jssandbach on Apr 4, 2011 13:42:13 GMT
Will, Huddy, Cupid and Bauer - I agree - also agree about Drogba.
Unfortunately some Oatcakers of late don't seem to be able to discuss/argue a thread without bringing in other sometimes old and personal agendas. Seems like this is why many have abandoned the board.
What was said about "team" is undoubtedly true.
Up the Vale !
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