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Post by jonso on Mar 11, 2011 20:59:12 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 11, 2011 21:02:07 GMT
Easy to miss - it is on the Academy thread! ;D |
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Post by Gunslinger on Mar 11, 2011 21:16:32 GMT
We really, really need The Academy to be a successful factor in the development of the club. Yes, it might cost a bit but if we do the rigt things the result will be worth tenfolds. Just look at the Toekomst at Ajax. Hopefully we'll get an even better replacement in (?)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 21:18:47 GMT
Was he any good....Did he jump or was he he pushed..?
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Post by Gunslinger on Mar 11, 2011 21:54:05 GMT
Was he any good....Did he jump or was he he pushed..? Very good question and well observed. |
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Post by scfcloyalist on Mar 11, 2011 22:04:51 GMT
We really, really need The Academy to be a successful factor in the development of the club. Yes, it might cost a bit but if we do the rigt things the result will be worth tenfolds. Just look at the Toekomst at Ajax. Hopefully we'll get an even better replacement in (?) Couldnt agree more, youve only got look at barca too, all there decent players came thru. Also they should be schooled "the stoke way" very physical etc so they can make the step up better, if we have them playing lovely football at academy level then hoofball in the first team it will never work, its not pretty ino, but it will be better and we will have more successful players coming through.. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2011 22:09:52 GMT
We really, really need The Academy to be a successful factor in the development of the club. Yes, it might cost a bit but if we do the rigt things the result will be worth tenfolds. Just look at the Toekomst at Ajax. Hopefully we'll get an even better replacement in (?) Couldnt agree more, youve only got look at barca too, all there decent players came thru. Also they should be schooled "the stoke way" very physical etc so they can make the step up better, if we have them playing lovely football at academy level then hoofball in the first team it will never work, its not pretty ino, but it will be better and we will have more successful players coming through.. I like the sentinment but it'd be hard to implement and would need the continental method of employing managers. Ie the manager is just a coach and isn't allowed to do much more. Barcelona stick with that style irrespective of the manager. If the manager strays he gets sacked. It's a totally different culture. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:11:32 GMT
We really, really need The Academy to be a successful factor in the development of the club. Yes, it might cost a bit but if we do the rigt things the result will be worth tenfolds. Just look at the Toekomst at Ajax. Hopefully we'll get an even better replacement in (?) Couldnt agree more, youve only got look at barca too, all there decent players came thru. Also they should be schooled "the stoke way" very physical etc so they can make the step up better, if we have them playing lovely football at academy level then hoofball in the first team it will never work, its not pretty ino, but it will be better and we will have more successful players coming through.. Sounds a bit like the strategy Hitler adopted with the supreme race... I totally disagree...it's diversity and skill we need , not 6'2'' cloned thugs. We might as well dredge the WWF wrestling academies if that's what you think brings success. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 11, 2011 22:16:52 GMT
If it was down to me I would pay Steve Holland whatever was needed to get him back up here.
In my opinion it set us back a long way when Chelsea took him.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Mar 11, 2011 22:18:40 GMT
No, i mean train them with more set pieces etc, if we school a passing machine through our academy hes hardly going to get a look in is he? What im saying is teach them the same way the first team play so they can actually have a chance to come through and play for OUR first team. Instead of them getting picked off by the likes of manure chels etc.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 11, 2011 22:24:16 GMT
Was he any good....Did he jump or was he he pushed..? Very good question and well observed. Knowing what happened under his tenure.... The only family problems he had were the safety of his family jewels.... And being found out! Let's just say it was public damage limitation by stoke to cover what's happened  Mr Martin has been let off lightly.... |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 11, 2011 22:28:41 GMT
I suppose that however ill-judged his appointment may prove to be, attracting Cuvelier here (if he played any part with his Pompey links) could be a silver lining if he makes the first team at any point?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 11, 2011 22:30:14 GMT
If it was down to me I would pay Steve Holland whatever was needed to get him back up here. In my opinion it set us back a long way when Chelsea took him. Is there any realistic chance that he would come back, Mark - whatever we paid him? I'd have thought he would stay there unless things are not going well for him. Pity, though. |
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Post by jordyboy2468 on Mar 11, 2011 22:46:46 GMT
I wouldnt be suprised if some bullshit gets started about Pulis going to this after this season is over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:49:24 GMT
Well , Its an easy problem to solve in my opinion.
We either search the Championship for those clubs who produce the most talent , or throw more money at it , and attract a top Dutch or German coach and pay him the going rate.
My preference would possibly be a Dutch coach , as I have never forgiven the Germans since they invaded Poland and bombed our Chippies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:52:31 GMT
If it was down to me I would pay Steve Holland whatever was needed to get him back up here. In my opinion it set us back a long way when Chelsea took him. I just don't agree with the Pulis youth Policy, well to be quite frank what fucking youth policy he has not had one lad come through his system yet to make it successfully into the first team They are always fucking kiddies in his eyes and will never be good enough to play in the first team I am not really a believer in the constant loaning out of players, a season or half a season then get them working towards playing for the potters. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2011 22:53:46 GMT
Isn't the role vacant though more of a paper pushing/recruitment role than coaching?
We do need wider roots though, what I said on Twatter is would it be a good idea to have 2 people doing the job? One for the domestic side and one for the wider worldwide side?
And what sort of links do we have with Orlando formally the Austin Aztex? Because they are affiliated with Monterry who are a top Mexican side and it would be nice to see us exploiting these links a bit better imo.
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Post by theteacher on Mar 11, 2011 22:56:18 GMT
Pay the going rate to get a very good Academy Director and then provide the budget needed to succeed and results can be achieved........ run it on a budget and accept budget standard players/development/progress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:58:09 GMT
Isn't the role vacant though more of a pen pushing/recruitment role than coaching? We do need wider roots though, what I said on Twatter is would it be a good idea to have 2 people doing the job? One for the domestic side and one for the wider worldwide side? And what sort of links do we have with Orlando formally the Austin Aztex? Because they are affiliated with Monterry who are a top Mexican side and it would be nice to see us exploiting these links a bit better imo. As I have intimated in the past...these links with the Aztex are about as useful as a 'Tilcon' salesman in the Sahara if past history is anything to go by. Why not just go for the jugular and sign up south American 'wonderkids' directly like Arismendi.....Oops..bugger & damn. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 22:59:58 GMT
It is more about getting the first team manager more involved with the youth too giving hope to youngsters that come to play for SCFC... at the moment we are not too blessed with lads to boast about breaking through our academy |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2011 23:02:39 GMT
Isn't the role vacant though more of a pen pushing/recruitment role than coaching? We do need wider roots though, what I said on Twatter is would it be a good idea to have 2 people doing the job? One for the domestic side and one for the wider worldwide side? And what sort of links do we have with Orlando formally the Austin Aztex? Because they are affiliated with Monterry who are a top Mexican side and it would be nice to see us exploiting these links a bit better imo. As I have intimated in the past...these links with the Aztex are about as useful as a 'Tilcon' salesman in the Sahara if past history is anything to go by. Why not just go for the jugular and sign up south American 'wonderkids' directly like Arismendi.....Oops..bugger & damn. That's why I bought up their links with Monterry. A side in the top flight of Mexican football and quite a famous team. So by using our links to Orlando we could have links to a better club whose players youth or older could be of use to us. And with their standing and possible European passports, their players could be attainable. It's just a thought of a possible avenue we could take for improved scouting in that part of the world via links already established. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 11, 2011 23:06:21 GMT
Whilst Pulis is in charge, the academy is the best part of useless anyway. He has absolutely no interest in it whatsoever.
When commenting on the need to rest Wilko he mentioned his youthfulness. He is almost 27 for fucks sake.
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Post by theteacher on Mar 11, 2011 23:12:20 GMT
He does have a preference for the tried and tested........ but If we have real young talent then it will come through inspite of the Manager and not because of the Manger but I don't believe we have produced real talent in many a year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 23:13:33 GMT
Bring in a top youth coach /academy director from PSV or AJAX is my solution.
We could easily afford it if we stopped paying Diao's and Sidibes wages.
If he only produced one player a year it would be worth it...but Tone couldn't work with this type of arrangement I don't think. Not his style for a start off...
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Post by stokecity4eva on Mar 12, 2011 0:07:34 GMT
it seems as though the last few years we havent been able to hold onto an academy director long enough to enable him to implement there long term plans for the club.
ive just had a look at some premier league academys and quite a few have got ex players as academy directors or people who themselves have been at the academy that they work at so know what its like to be there.
Therefore my question to the people who have something to do with the academy is this: Do you believe that the club should appoint an ex player as the next academy director such as someone like denis smith prehaps or maybe even someone like peter hoekstra both have played for the club and both are fans favourites who youngsters would be able to look upto. They were also model pros who gave everything during their careers?
Thoughts?
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Post by woodbutcher on Mar 12, 2011 0:31:06 GMT
Lou Macari was at the training ground today talking to Pulis and Kemp? Saw him from a distance through perimeter fence. Seems funny academy director resigns same day?
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 12, 2011 0:45:08 GMT
Cuvelier was picked up by kempy's links with Pompey as was Bego.... Martin had nothing to do with it but used kempy's name to land on our doorstep...... Unfortunately |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 12, 2011 0:56:42 GMT
There is no point relaying the set-ups at Barca, Ajax or any other club in this debate. Each of the mentioned teams have a club philosphy on how they play football that has been afforded to them by the fact that they've been hugely successful, both domestically and in Europe.
We don't have this. We play in a certain style now but have we always played like this? During Thordason and Boskamp we were suddenly (trying to) playing a bit of football.
For example, if we train our youngsters to play more direct and robust and now. We get hold of a 13-year-old that we mould into Pulis' perfect player. By the time he reaches the first team (even he break through aged 17) we could have someone in with a completley different outlook.
There is no obvious answer to who we need in right now. I'm unsure whether it is Pulis ignoring the academy or our academy not producing good players that is the problem at the moment.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Mar 12, 2011 0:58:55 GMT
Pointless having one, we dont use any players from it.
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Post by mark71 on Mar 12, 2011 6:47:29 GMT
Bring in a top youth coach /academy director from PSV or AJAX is my solution. We could easily afford it if we stopped paying Diao's and Sidibes wages. If he only produced one player a year it would be worth it...but Tone couldn't work with this type of arrangement I don't think. Not his style for a start off... Great idea but one problem, Pulis. Why coach children from the ages of 8 to 18 in the skills of the beautiful game then once they turn pro you've got Pulis screaming at them to launch 50 yards into the channels. |
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Mr Martin has been let off lightly....
