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Post by jpm64 on Apr 8, 2008 7:08:33 GMT
He's not actualy very Good is he  |
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Post by rorymscfc on Apr 8, 2008 7:23:58 GMT
Very disappointing last night. A dead ringer for Pericard!
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 8, 2008 7:24:32 GMT
Think he was over rated at Newcastle anyhow, but gotta keep faith with him I guess!
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Post by PONTAFCE on Apr 8, 2008 7:27:33 GMT
Easy folks he has only played one match for fuck sake you carnt expect him to be this world class player that alot of people have expected.He is average and that was his first game for a while so he needs time to settle imo
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Post by Danstoke82 on Apr 8, 2008 7:28:47 GMT
Easy folks he has only played one match for fuck sake you carnt expect him to be this world class player that alot of people have expected.He is average and that was his first game for a while so he needs time to settle imo Dont expect him to be world class, just thought he may of been a bit better then he was last night. |
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Post by gilberto on Apr 8, 2008 7:30:56 GMT
he wasnt great but, we're using him wrong anyway. give it him to feet not lump it up for him to flick on. him and mama were trying to do the same job last night. why were they picked together?!
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Post by PONTAFCE on Apr 8, 2008 7:32:55 GMT
I admit i expected abit more from him but i though to myself that he needs to play a couple more games for us.But obviously we aint got many left and he needs to find form fast.
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Post by Davef on Apr 8, 2008 7:35:33 GMT
I'm sorry but his lack of match fitness cuts no ice.
For the money we've paid for him and to him we should have a fully fit striker ready to come in and perform at the highest possible level. And that's not really Ameobi's fault is it?
It was an expensive gamble by Pulis that's showing every sign of not coming off.
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Post by jpm64 on Apr 8, 2008 7:38:17 GMT
Easy folks he has only played one match for fuck sake you carnt expect him to be this world class player that alot of people have expected.He is average and that was his first game for a while so he needs time to settle imo But we don't have time for him to settle do we ??? |
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Post by PONTAFCE on Apr 8, 2008 7:54:42 GMT
jpm64 yeah your right we dont have time but pulis should have got ameobi in the january window shouldnt he instead of this time in the season when there was only 5 games that he could play in.
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Post by armitagestokie on Apr 8, 2008 8:07:55 GMT
Expensive gamble--spot on!!Adam Rooney is just as good.
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Post by knowles on Apr 8, 2008 8:20:50 GMT
ponta- he has now played 2 games and hasn't particularly sparkled. If we are to pay over half a million on a player fro 6 games we need him to pay on top of his game. Sadly Ameobi doesn't appear to be on top of his game. He has already wasted a third of his stay at Stoke. However, he could become a legend. Just imagine his first goal coming at Wembley in the 91st minute to fire the Potters up  |
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Post by PONTAFCE on Apr 8, 2008 8:21:49 GMT
Be carefull knowles we night not nake wembley if we keep performing like that mate  |
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Post by Jolley_Potter on Apr 8, 2008 8:39:12 GMT
ponderous....basic.....and spent too much time doin Riggotts and Cort's fuckin jobs at the back. And to think I actually got excited when I knew we were after him. Sheeesh.  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2008 10:57:45 GMT
I'm sorry but his lack of match fitness cuts no ice. For the money we've paid for him and to him we should have a fully fit striker ready to come in and perform at the highest possible level. And that's not really Ameobi's fault is it? It was an expensive gamble by Pulis that's showing every sign of not coming off. For all his squealing, Rodent's not the one who put his balls on the chopping block and went with a deal that's costing us £125,000 a game for a striker who's clearly nowhere near match fit. We're already £250,000 down and we've had the square root of f*** all back. It's sad that the stars are aligning to royally f*** up the season, aided and abetted by Pulis' ineptitude. I suppose we've just got to pray for a miracle in the next 4 games  “He hasn't had any match practice and he hasn't played this year.“ Even if there was any chance - and there is no chance - knowing Shola like I do he would probably take a month to get match fit, and that's too late. |
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:03:56 GMT
Shola Shameobi.
He's truly wank. As bad as Pericard even.
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Post by serpico on Apr 8, 2008 11:28:26 GMT
Deserves a game or two up front with fuller, i think they showed glimpses last night that they could be a dangerous pairing.
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:30:16 GMT
Dangerous?
Shameobi?
He couldn't be dangerous with a grenade in his hand.
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Post by Davef on Apr 8, 2008 11:32:25 GMT
The easiest thing in the world to deflect attention from the man responsible for this shambles is to blame individuals.
Individuals HE signed and selected.
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:33:35 GMT
I agree Pulis has made a real fuck up with Shameobi.
I said that when he'd signed. He's blatantly not the player we need to help us out of this bad run.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 8, 2008 11:40:31 GMT
Shola is a decent player who is clearly not match fit or sharp.
He did better when Fuller came on and was excellent for an hour v Shef Wed. However, last night, with Cresswell and Mama beside him, he was surrounded by 2-3 defenders every time he got the ball.
Being asked to chase Mama's flick on's, or do something with aimless long punts clearly isn't his game, so it is not surprising he wasn't as we would expect last night.
Pulis bought him in and Pulis needs to get the team playing to his strengths.
I still think that Shola and Fuller would destroy every defence in this league, but unfortunately, I think we are getting close to it being "too late".
Very harsh to single Shola out when the likes of Pugh, Cresswell, Griffin and Cort seem to escape the crucifying that Shola seems to be getting.
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:42:03 GMT
"Shola is a decent player"
Based on what?
A goal every 8 games so far in his career?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 8, 2008 11:46:55 GMT
Yes he is a decent player with pedigree of having scored goals in both the Champions League and the Premiershit. His goal record is also tainted somewhat by many substitute appearences.
He showed some sublime touches at Wednesday, when for an hour we played the ball into his chest or feet, but yesterday we set up to launch it high and long from the first minute.
Hardly playing to his strengths.
He isn't fit, that much is patently true, but there is only one man to blame for that.
Shola has been here for two games and has had one good and one bad. Pugh has been here almost a season and has turned in 3 decent performances, lots of shit ones and many distinctly average ones, yet he escapes everyones wrath. The same could also be said of both Cort, Griffin and Cresswell.
Shola will turn out good, if we start playing to his strengths, and get Fuller up front to partner him.
Just my opinion and only time will tell I guess.
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:49:30 GMT
"His goal record is also tainted somewhat by many substitute appearences."
There is a reason he was used as a sub a lot.
He didn't score enough to warrant a place in the starting 11.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 8, 2008 11:51:23 GMT
To be fair his goals to STARTS ratio isn't bad at all at the very top level.
46 in 135 starts (plus loads of sub games) for Newcastle
I'm sure a FIT Ameobi could be a star at this level, played alongside Fuller in a decent team.
Rodent's quotes are interesting as someone who's worked with him for a number of years
"Knowing Shola like I do he would probably take a month to get match fit, and that's too late.
“But I like him a lot. He would be unbelievable goal scorer in the Championship.”
"But I just opened my hands there - I think he's a fantastic player, certainly rated much more highly by me than lots of other people who tend to like headless chickens running round the place who don't score"
“He scores goals.”
"...that's some gamble that Pulis has taken on someone who has seemed to have recovered from major surgery on his hip.
"And it hasn't really yet been tested because he's wasted a year. The two managers that Newcastle have had this year have chosen not to use him. So knowing Shola like I do, he'll be amazingly unfit as well. He takes a bit of getting fit.
"So Stoke have got a short period of time to get the best out of him; out of a Shola Ameobi that will be nowhere near match-fit"
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 8, 2008 11:57:14 GMT
We are talking Sub appearances in a Newcastle team that had Alan Shearer up front and has had to compete against the likes of Owen, Viduka and Martins.
I think that you are being way to quick to judge a player basically returning from a long term injury.
Roden't comments are very interesting!
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Post by **** Pulling Himself Off on Apr 8, 2008 11:58:32 GMT
Rodent must be jumping with joy that he missed out on the big lump.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Apr 8, 2008 12:11:14 GMT
Ameobi has played with Shearer most of the time, and not a target man like Mama. I actually agree with Serpico that Ameobi & Fuller were pretty formiddable for 10-15 mins yesterday, Palace could not get to grips with their power and directness. I think Ameobi is more suited to a passing game than chasing/holding up flick ons.
Please, please Tone, let Ameobi & Fuller go up front vs Cov and keep Sidders and Cressy on the bench. Also instruct the team to play at a big, big tempo. That way, we are way too hot to handle.
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Post by 606Stokie on Apr 8, 2008 12:13:48 GMT
Should have for me been Fuller, Ameobi and Mama just behind them 2 and it would have been leathal
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 8, 2008 13:20:38 GMT
It's obvious that he was never going to come and score 6. However with mama+fuller it is always a case of stop fuller, stop stoke. Last night that simply changed to stop ameobi stop stoke. People can't compete with mama, but his useless goal record means you can stand off him and let him win some balls as long as you have his striker partner double-marked. With Shola playing in the sidibe role it isn't so simple and the hope is that neither shola or fuller will be doubled up on so much and one will get the space to do something. This may or may not work with shola in his current state, but we are yet to find out.
I can only presume that the choice not to start fuller was due to this virus and that tone wasn't lying. If tone played mama on a tactical basis, which there is some justification for doing, then he should've benched ameobi, but then there is the price tag.
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