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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 28, 2011 22:15:23 GMT
and start facing the fact they have a point!
I've not been able to get to the game tonight and have had to watch the game on TV. Take away the intensity associated with being at the game in the crowd and view through the more dispassionate medium of the box and you get an idea of the criticism.
We are without a shred of doubt one dimensional in the extreme and the little cameos from the few talented players we have can't conceal just how much we depend on brute force to scrap something from percentage hopefulness.
You have to remember that tonight we have played one of the most inept teams in the Premier League and yet in one game they have created more danger by passing the ball to each other than we have in our last three.
It isn't difficult to understand why people who aren't Stoke supporters would choose us last as the Prem team to watch. It's ugly, it's hopeful, it's brutal and it isn't getting any better than it was in our first season in this league.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Feb 28, 2011 22:18:49 GMT
Agreed, we were crap.
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Post by mysteriojr on Feb 28, 2011 22:18:59 GMT
i have been firmly of the belief that stoke supports are extremely loyal or extremely dense, because we do play shit all the time
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Post by GrandStokie on Feb 28, 2011 22:21:55 GMT
Its frustrating to watch, when we hoof it forward what do we gain, an extra ten yards? When we have the ball in the middle we knock it back 40-50 yards to Bego, Wilson or Pugh. Its okay if you're picking players out from that distance but we don't, Pugh does not have the sublime passing skills to do it so why we persist with it as much as we do is beyond me.
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Post by mayf on Feb 28, 2011 22:28:37 GMT
on tonights evidence neither Pugh nor Wilson have better distribution than Wilko,Collins or Higgy,it's still the long hopeful punt upto Carew/Jones
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Post by herkbloke on Feb 28, 2011 22:31:40 GMT
i have been firmly of the belief that stoke supports are extremely loyal or extremely dense, because we do play shit all the time Both for me! If dross = points then i'll take that, but we're struggling with that at the mo.
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Post by markfitdt on Feb 28, 2011 22:33:04 GMT
on tonights evidence neither Pugh nor Wilson have better distribution than Wilko,Collins or Higgy,it's still the long hopeful punt upto Carew/Jones dont you think that they (all the defenders mentioned) are told to punt the ball up front asap to put pressure on their defenders. It is the tactics for me rather than the players themselves although their passing does leave a lot to be desired as well.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 28, 2011 22:43:34 GMT
You can't defend Stoke on tonights performance. There was no real intention of playing football. It was a good job Hodgson came for a draw as they didn't start to play until we scored.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 28, 2011 22:51:38 GMT
Is there a single player there I wonder who's not embarrassed to be told to play that moronic percentage shit? Hopefully they ALL have some professional pride as FOOTBALLERS.
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Post by mark71 on Feb 28, 2011 22:53:52 GMT
I want to know whats gone on at Stoke. This is exactly the same during the binary season, We start off the season OK and start playing some good stuff then all of a sudden Pulis goes ultra negative. The binary season he fell out with the Icelandic board, who has he fell out with now?
It is very painful to watch, Awful awful football. I've stopped going to away matches because Pulis's tactics. So far I've been to 2 away games, the lowest amount I've attended since I started going away in the 86-87 season.
Pulis must change or go, there are more and more people speaking out about the dross we are forced to watch. Attendances will suffer unless we start providing more entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 22:56:06 GMT
on tonights evidence neither Pugh nor Wilson have better distribution than Wilko,Collins or Higgy,it's still the long hopeful punt upto Carew/Jones Both Wilson and Pugh can pass a football. Why do you think they constantly hoofed it???
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Post by jarhead on Feb 28, 2011 22:57:24 GMT
well said waddo and mark71.
it was truly horrific viewing and everybody in the media ARE RIGFHT ABOUT US ...we are wank in playing FOOTBALL and i will go as far as saying that Wenger is right that we play Rugby,playing for touch for a fuckin throw in!!!!
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Post by wuzza on Feb 28, 2011 22:58:27 GMT
It has to be said that there is absolutely no excuse for the stuff we have been playing since the turn of the year. Lucky to be as far up the table as we are. As far as the entertainment issue goes ......there simply isnt any. I spend most of the game wishing it will end just so long as we get any sort of result.
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 28, 2011 22:59:58 GMT
Mark W, i had to stay home and it was embarrassing to see and i'm biased The neutrals must dread our televised fixtures
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 28, 2011 23:00:22 GMT
I agree, we seem to have abandoned any intention of playing football as most people would understand it.
Its painful to watch
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Post by jarhead on Feb 28, 2011 23:00:49 GMT
wuzza. i agree
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Feb 28, 2011 23:02:34 GMT
So what do we do? Any ideas? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by alexk on Feb 28, 2011 23:03:00 GMT
Pulis has to go, it's becoming seriously embarrassing.
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Post by mumph on Feb 28, 2011 23:03:49 GMT
Hodgson prolly thought he'd have to play the team that played him when he was at the Brit with The Moaning Scousers.
He must be kicking himself - if he'd sent the Baggies out to play from the off like they did most of the second half they'd have caned us cos not even Bego the Great could have held on all game.
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Post by stuammo on Feb 28, 2011 23:05:19 GMT
you cant criticise clueless on this board. The rimmers will crucify you, he's a saint you know, he can do no wrong, he's everything we could ever wish for!!!
Fuck off Pulis......time to go!!!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 28, 2011 23:06:16 GMT
and start facing the fact they have a point! I've not been able to get to the game tonight and have had to watch the game on TV. Take away the intensity associated with being at the game in the crowd and view through the more dispassionate medium of the box and you get an idea of the criticism. We are without a shred of doubt one dimensional in the extreme and the little cameos from the few talented players we have can't conceal just how much we depend on brute force to scrap something from percentage hopefulness. You have to remember that tonight we have played one of the most inept teams in the Premier League and yet in one game they have created more danger by passing the ball to each other than we have in our last three. It isn't difficult to understand why people who aren't Stoke supporters would choose us last as the Prem team to watch. It's ugly, it's hopeful, it's brutal and it isn't getting any better than it was in our first season in this league. Would agree with most of that. Eventually you are only arguing against fact. The only caveats I would have are that we should always rail against ignorant arsehole hacks who suggest we are a dirty side. That is horseshit. Also I think we are not always as bad as we have been recently. After our bad start we played some decent stuff with two wingers and a hungry Kenwyne. In the past two or three months we have slowly been reverting to the type and have, as you say, gone back to the basics of our first season and beyond. Something spooked Pulis before Christmas and I don't know what it was but since then, its as if we've been taking living up to our cliché as some sort of challenge.
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Post by nqsdiscopants on Feb 28, 2011 23:06:45 GMT
Does there come a point where Stoke fans stop being grateful just to be in Premiership, no matter by what means?
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 28, 2011 23:07:49 GMT
Spending any amount of time watching the shape of West Brom's team tonight whenever we got the ball makes it clear that long ball was not the problem tonight. Too much messing about and slowing the pace of the game down at the back.
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Post by stokemark on Feb 28, 2011 23:08:07 GMT
I want to know whats gone on at Stoke. This is exactly the same during the binary season, We start off the season OK and start playing some good stuff then all of a sudden Pulis goes ultra negative. The binary season he fell out with the Icelandic board, who has he fell out with now? It is very painful to watch, Awful awful football. I've stopped going to away matches because Pulis's tactics. So far I've been to 2 away games, the lowest amount I've attended since I started going away in the 86-87 season. Pulis must change or go, there are more and more people speaking out about the dross we are forced to watch. Attendances will suffer unless we start providing more entertainment. Best post of the night for me - Something HAS gone on behind the scenes My theory is that TP was told to seel Tuncay and then told he couldnt have the money to spend. THAT would explain a lot
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 28, 2011 23:13:47 GMT
We play shit football. Always have done under TP. It's absolutely f*cking awful to watch MOST of the time. But it's effective. Very effective. Until Sir Peter thinks otherwise...either grin and bear( it or shut the f*ck up and f*ck off down the Vale.
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Post by alexk on Feb 28, 2011 23:14:34 GMT
I want to know whats gone on at Stoke. This is exactly the same during the binary season, We start off the season OK and start playing some good stuff then all of a sudden Pulis goes ultra negative. The binary season he fell out with the Icelandic board, who has he fell out with now? It is very painful to watch, Awful awful football. I've stopped going to away matches because Pulis's tactics. So far I've been to 2 away games, the lowest amount I've attended since I started going away in the 86-87 season. Pulis must change or go, there are more and more people speaking out about the dross we are forced to watch. Attendances will suffer unless we start providing more entertainment. Best post of the night for me - Something HAS gone on behind the scenes My theory is that TP was told to seel Tuncay and then told he couldnt have the money to spend. THAT would explain a lot Well, if that's the case there's a good chance it'll cost him his job. Fingers crossed, hey?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 23:16:18 GMT
We play shit football. Always have done under TP. It's absolutely f*cking awful to watch MOST of the time. But it's effective. Very effective. Until Sir Peter thinks otherwise...either grin and bear( it or shut the f*ck up and f*ck off down the Vale. It will be very interesting to see how many season tickets we sell.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 28, 2011 23:17:26 GMT
Spending any amount of time watching the shape of West Brom's team tonight whenever we got the ball makes it clear that long ball was not the problem tonight. Too much messing about and slowing the pace of the game down at the back. Perhaps he's been reading the Oatcake (Tony that is)
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Post by serpico on Feb 28, 2011 23:20:22 GMT
when Pulisball is bad, it's unwatchable, tonight fell firmly into that category.
If you play ugly you must win.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Feb 28, 2011 23:20:43 GMT
We play shit football. Always have done under TP. It's absolutely f*cking awful to watch MOST of the time. But it's effective. Very effective. Until Sir Peter thinks otherwise...either grin and bear( it or shut the f*ck up and f*ck off down the Vale. It will be very interesting to see how many season tickets we sell. Said a few weeks ago that this is the ultimate litmus test. Sir Peter will be looking and waiting with utmost interest at the response to a price-freezing bargain season ticket offer. It will sell out and break last years record.
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