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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:53:07 GMT
No an never will be as long as our manager keeps on giving the opposistion far too much respect, we'll continue to scrape it each season with dire football. How exciting. We haven't exactly "scraped it" though - we've stayed up comfortably in the past two seasons. That Reading stat makes me feel a little better at least.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Feb 14, 2011 13:56:16 GMT
No an never will be as long as our manager keeps on giving the opposistion far too much respect, we'll continue to scrape it each season with dire football. How exciting. 9th in the league is scraping it? If we are scraping it then what the fuck are Everton and Villa doing? Relegation doesnt worry me, what worries me is the mentality of some so called supporters Would you find it more exciting if we were playing nice football and really were scraping it just like Wigan, West Brom etc? Or the beautiful football we saw at Birmingham on saturday?
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Post by hanleytramp on Feb 14, 2011 13:56:30 GMT
No an never will be as long as our manager keeps on giving the opposistion far too much respect, we'll continue to scrape it each season with dire football. How exciting. We haven't exactly "scraped it" though - we've stayed up comfortably in the past two seasons. That Reading stat makes me feel a little better at least. Thing is RVD we should not be 6 points off relegation this season, TP has cost us points this season through his own negativity, this if nothing else says he'll never be able to push us on, he's scared to go the extra yard to take the 3 points.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 13:58:08 GMT
We haven't exactly "scraped it" though - we've stayed up comfortably in the past two seasons. That Reading stat makes me feel a little better at least. Thing is RVD we should not be 6 points off relegation this season, TP has cost us points this season through his own negativity, this if nothing else says he'll never be able to push us on, he's scared to go the extra yard to take the 3 points. Welcome back pasa ;D
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2011 14:00:18 GMT
The Gemma Atkinson picture has unmasked him
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Feb 14, 2011 14:01:14 GMT
We haven't exactly "scraped it" though - we've stayed up comfortably in the past two seasons. That Reading stat makes me feel a little better at least. Thing is RVD we should not be 6 points off relegation this season, TP has cost us points this season through his own negativity, this if nothing else says he'll never be able to push us on, he's scared to go the extra yard to take the 3 points. If we are not going to extra yard to take 3 points then how come we have won so many games late on? Was the subsitution and change of tactics against sunderland negatitive?
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Post by hanleytramp on Feb 14, 2011 18:41:35 GMT
Every point we win is a scrape, never mind the points difference at the end of the season. If Tones football was a noise, it would be the screetch made when dragging finger nails down a blackboard.
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 14, 2011 19:05:21 GMT
If we lose to West Ham and West Brom (has to happen some time), we are in deep shit. Keep looking at the league and thinking if only we had another three points things would look so much easier. To me, we look like a team that has run out of gas, I`m obviously hoping we still have enough in the tank to scrape three more wins and a couple of draws, but I look at our remaining fixtures and have a horrible feeling we will need something in our last game at home to Wigan to stay up.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 14, 2011 19:06:34 GMT
No
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Post by AlliG on Feb 14, 2011 20:13:04 GMT
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Post by brinewings on Feb 14, 2011 20:15:19 GMT
No
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Post by phil89 on Feb 14, 2011 20:27:05 GMT
Very confident ,no where near relegation.Plenty of worse teams then us
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Post by Davef on Feb 14, 2011 20:31:28 GMT
No an never will be as long as our manager keeps on giving the opposistion far too much respect, we'll continue to scrape it each season with dire football. How exciting. 9th in the league is scraping it? If we are scraping it then what the fuck are Everton and Villa doing? Relegation doesnt worry me, what worries me is the mentality of some so called supporters Would you find it more exciting if we were playing nice football and really were scraping it just like Wigan, West Brom etc? Or the beautiful football we saw at Birmingham on saturday? What's stopping us playing a bit more adventurous and progressive football and still being relatively comfortable in this league? What are people basing this argument on that dull football = survival and "tip tap crap" = relegation exactly?
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Post by stokemark on Feb 14, 2011 20:33:49 GMT
The '9th' comments worry me in that the league position does hide a lot of concerns
6 points ahead of the pack isnt all that comfortable - West Brom / West Ham games will determine whether we have a comfortable finish (and be looking up the table) or are in deep shit.
We could have made life so much easier for ourselves by adding a couple of fresh faces in additiion to Carew and wouldnt / shouldnt have even been having this conversation
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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2011 20:49:51 GMT
9th in the league is scraping it? If we are scraping it then what the fuck are Everton and Villa doing? Relegation doesnt worry me, what worries me is the mentality of some so called supporters Would you find it more exciting if we were playing nice football and really were scraping it just like Wigan, West Brom etc? Or the beautiful football we saw at Birmingham on saturday? What's stopping us playing a bit more adventurous and progressive football and still being relatively comfortable in this league? What are people basing this argument on that dull football = survival and "tip tap crap" = relegation exactly? That Dave, is the eternal question.
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Post by joinerssquire on Feb 14, 2011 20:57:05 GMT
What's stopping us playing a bit more adventurous and progressive football and still being relatively comfortable in this league? What are people basing this argument on that dull football = survival and "tip tap crap" = relegation exactly? That Dave, is the eternal question. Its making thed best of what you have in trying to find a winning formula and in seasons 1&2 TP certainly did that to great effect. I just wish we could have added a couple of more accomplished ball players to the squad/team in the last 2 windows to help push us on and add something extra to our game. My worries are that we are a couple of injuries to key players away from a difficult end to the season.
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Post by hanleytramp on Feb 14, 2011 21:37:30 GMT
9th in the league is scraping it? If we are scraping it then what the fuck are Everton and Villa doing? Relegation doesnt worry me, what worries me is the mentality of some so called supporters Would you find it more exciting if we were playing nice football and really were scraping it just like Wigan, West Brom etc? Or the beautiful football we saw at Birmingham on saturday? What's stopping us playing a bit more adventurous and progressive football and still being relatively comfortable in this league? What are people basing this argument on that dull football = survival and "tip tap crap" = relegation exactly? They are basing it on nothing, you'll find the people who are saying it have seen it typed and as a Big Tony Pulis fan find this as the best reason/excuse to why his football is so dire, as if it's for a reason. The fact is we now have some very good footballers and with the right addidtions in certain areas we would if allowed be capable of playing some very good stuff. Some peoples love of Tony Pulis clouds the judgement of his poor football, either that or they know no better. No player is bigger than the club and niether is a manager. If this club wants to "push on" we need to abandon the over defensive/respectful approach and set out our most potent team from first wistle to win games. 3 seasons in we have the players to do this. My concern is Pulis knows no other way, he WILL halt any progress on the football side from this point. IMO, in turn he'll go stale, and if that what it takes for him to realise we have moved forward and expect more, then so be it. I've said it before and i'll say it again, his best days as Stoke manager are behind him, the longer we stay here and the better players we get, fans will demand better football. Pulis only knows one way, any other he is out of his comfort zone, which also means he's out of his depth. Unless he makes 3 or 4 top quality signings in the summer he will stick to hoof, he is that cautious. An appointment of the ilk of someone like David Moyes would really send out a statement to media, players and everybody else alikeof where the club is now at. It can only be good for attracting the next level player.
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Post by Rockape on Feb 14, 2011 23:24:55 GMT
Anyone worried we could be in a relegation scrap in a months time? with the next 6 fixtures looking like this - Arsenal A WBA H West Ham A Newcastle H Chelsea H Spurs A. Nah... 6 (Baggies + Sham) from that and we need one more point.
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Post by staffordstokie999 on Feb 15, 2011 1:52:18 GMT
What's stopping us playing a bit more adventurous and progressive football and still being relatively comfortable in this league? What are people basing this argument on that dull football = survival and "tip tap crap" = relegation exactly? They are basing it on nothing, you'll find the people who are saying it have seen it typed and as a Big Tony Pulis fan find this as the best reason/excuse to why his football is so dire, as if it's for a reason. The fact is we now have some very good footballers and with the right addidtions in certain areas we would if allowed be capable of playing some very good stuff. Some peoples love of Tony Pulis clouds the judgement of his poor football, either that or they know no better. No player is bigger than the club and niether is a manager. If this club wants to "push on" we need to abandon the over defensive/respectful approach and set out our most potent team from first wistle to win games. 3 seasons in we have the players to do this. My concern is Pulis knows no other way, he WILL halt any progress on the football side from this point. IMO, in turn he'll go stale, and if that what it takes for him to realise we have moved forward and expect more, then so be it. I've said it before and i'll say it again, his best days as Stoke manager are behind him, the longer we stay here and the better players we get, fans will demand better football. Pulis only knows one way, any other he is out of his comfort zone, which also means he's out of his depth. Unless he makes 3 or 4 top quality signings in the summer he will stick to hoof, he is that cautious. An appointment of the ilk of someone like David Moyes would really send out a statement to media, players and everybody else alikeof where the club is now at. It can only be good for attracting the next level player. And what are you basing your opinion of better football = more success on?
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Post by polofrance on Feb 15, 2011 6:27:21 GMT
Checking our remaining fixtures we have 5 matches left against the top 6 teams of which Arse and Chelsea at home are our best chances of getting a point but we never get anuthing off Chelsea!
Amazingly we still have all of the bottom 6 to play again yet, 3 wins from those matches should see us safe.
The other match is the Geordies at home
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 15, 2011 8:16:47 GMT
NO, not with Pulis in charge.
Pulis doesn't do relegation.
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Post by rabbigan on Feb 15, 2011 13:27:22 GMT
Yes I am really concerned. It could well be a tight finish to the end of the season. We have been very poor in our last 4 or 5 games.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Feb 15, 2011 13:43:05 GMT
It's fair to say that we are only 6 or 7 points above the relegation zone but there are half a dozen clubs between us and that position and we have a game in hand of some of them. It's not just a case of us losing games but ALL of those below us need to win them. I don't see that combination playing out somehow. One or two could put a good run together but I suspect we're 3 wins short of safety even now (and that assumes they'll all win far more points than most will actually get). I'm not complacent but I am confident.
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Post by luke2u on Feb 15, 2011 21:17:19 GMT
I wrote this in another thread today.
With 12 games left we're still fighting against relegation as we're just 6 pts from the drop. We still have a lot to do to secure another season in the PL, and this season I fear you will go down on 40 pts. Three teams have done it before, and another will probably do it this season.
We have lost half of our games in the league this season, which isn't good enough, only Wolves are worse.
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