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Post by Mama's Mama on Feb 5, 2011 16:38:07 GMT
Have you looked at that link? Under the section 'Gaining an advantage'
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Post by Mama's Mama on Feb 5, 2011 16:38:49 GMT
And if I was that much of a shit ref I wouldn't be where I am...
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 16:38:58 GMT
You are still wrong - please do look on the FA website and find me where it says the exceptions to the offside rule ( from a goalkick, throw in, etc ) I have been refereeing for 5 years and now at Level 5 I'd like to think I know the rules!? You ARE a referee? God help us. ;D So picture the scene. KJ is ambling back in an offside position while Sunderland pass it across their back four. Titus Bramble is pressurised by Carew and decides to play a back pass to the goalkeeper and he hasn't seen KJ. Bramble ends up giving the ball to KJ and KJ scores. Are you seriously telling me you would disallow the goal and give offside even though a Stoke player has never played the ball in a forward direction?
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Post by interestedobserver on Feb 5, 2011 16:39:32 GMT
Page 13 recommends that the assistant have good position.
Can you not infer from the When section on page 3 that offside can never be given when an opponent plays the ball (with control)?
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Post by Mama's Mama on Feb 5, 2011 16:39:41 GMT
He has gained an advantage by being in an offside position.
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Post by Mama's Mama on Feb 5, 2011 16:40:03 GMT
And Jones wouldn't score anyway;)
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Post by shep207 on Feb 5, 2011 16:40:50 GMT
No one is talking about a ball played by your own team that deflects off the opposition. They are talking about a ball that is played directly by the opposition..
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Post by interestedobserver on Feb 5, 2011 16:41:49 GMT
And if I was that much of a shit ref I wouldn't be where I am... I'm not saying you are a shit ref, but most refs know that offside is only given at the point where a teammate plays the ball. There is no other point in time where offside can be called.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 5, 2011 16:42:09 GMT
You are still wrong - please do look on the FA website and find me where it says the exceptions to the offside rule ( from a goalkick, throw in, etc ) I have been refereeing for 5 years and now at Level 5 I'd like to think I know the rules!? ;D I wasn't sure if it was a wind-up at first but you've given the game away there mate. Good effort while it lasted though.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 16:42:24 GMT
He has gained an advantage by being in an offside position. So in my situation above you are saying you WOULD disallow the goal?
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 16:48:31 GMT
Take your time mate. Whenever you're ready. ;D
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Post by shep207 on Feb 5, 2011 16:52:15 GMT
Just to check before you ref your next big match, you know you can't be offside if every player on the team is standing on one leg right?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 5, 2011 16:53:08 GMT
Ok you find me in the Laws where it states a player isn't offside if it comes off an opposition player. I thought Drfootball would be the funniest person on this thread but you sir are the winner! ;D
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 5, 2011 16:54:09 GMT
Not offside. Gordon punches it to Carew.
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Post by psv2000 on Feb 5, 2011 17:25:33 GMT
The defender behind the line is counted as being in play. You cannot leave the field without permission from the ref and you cannot play someone offside by standing over the line
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2011 17:25:46 GMT
pundits are saying 2 of stoke's goals were offside
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Post by woodin43 on Feb 5, 2011 17:33:32 GMT
I don't care, it goes some way to making up for Cattermole's volley ball at the stadium of shite!
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 17:40:21 GMT
Not offside. Gordon punches it to Carew. To be fair mate, after it comes of Gordon's hand it then brushes off Ryan's arm before getting through to Carew. It wasn't intentional so the handball can be ignored but he does touch the ball in a forward direction making Carew offside.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 17:44:38 GMT
pundits are saying 2 of stoke's goals were offside Most pundits will look at it and think it was Huth who headed it forwards but when they showed the super slo-mo you could see it came off the back of Gordons fist. In reality they should be concentrating on the touch on Ryan's arm and also whether Ryan also fouled Gordon when they all jumped together. They can concentrate while we celebrate. It's nice to get the rub of the green for a change.
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Post by Anto1962 on Feb 5, 2011 17:53:34 GMT
pundits are saying 2 of stoke's goals were offside Most pundits will look at it and think it was Huth who headed it forwards but when they showed the super slo-mo you could see it came off the back of Gordons fist. In reality they should be concentrating on the touch on Ryan's arm and also whether Ryan also fouled Gordon when they all jumped together. They can concentrate while we celebrate. I'm a ref, Carew wasn't offside when the ball went up in the air, the defense came out whilst the ball was in the air, Gordon palmed the ball back to him so Carew still isn't offside, if the ball comes off Huth then he is. Learn the rules Mama you are making yourself look silly.
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 17:58:33 GMT
As i said earlier Anto, when you see it again, have a close look and you will see that after Gordon palms it backwards it then brushes off Ryan's arm so technically he was offside.
Of course the argument has developed since then and it's been much more fun watching Mama make a complete and utter tool of himself. ;D
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Post by Anto1962 on Feb 5, 2011 18:02:44 GMT
As i said earlier Anto, when you see it again, have a close look and you will see that after Gordon palms it backwards it then brushes off Ryan's arm so technically he was offside. Of course the argument has developed since then and it's been much more fun watching Mama make a complete and utter tool of himself. ;D Sorry didn't know about Ryan's arm (i was at the match) Mama still doesn't know the rules though.
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Post by march4 on Feb 5, 2011 18:05:05 GMT
Ah well.
At least this time we played Sunderland, no one caught the ball behind the goal line and chucked it out of the net.
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Post by gb on Feb 5, 2011 18:07:41 GMT
It was a goal .................. END OF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT CHANGE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dbpotters on Feb 5, 2011 18:09:42 GMT
It was a goal .................. END OF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CANT CHANGE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +1 its about time we had some decisions go our way
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 5, 2011 18:12:34 GMT
As i said earlier Anto, when you see it again, have a close look and you will see that after Gordon palms it backwards it then brushes off Ryan's arm so technically he was offside. Debatable as to whether that brush can be counted as "playing the ball forward". Anyway, psv's point (I think he's right) renders it all academic. He was onside whatever happened. The defender behind the line is counted as being in play. You cannot leave the field without permission from the ref and you cannot play someone offside by standing over the line
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Post by heavysoul on Feb 5, 2011 18:13:14 GMT
Dont care if he was off side about time we got those type of shit decisions !!
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Post by Beardy200 on Feb 5, 2011 18:18:58 GMT
As i said earlier Anto, when you see it again, have a close look and you will see that after Gordon palms it backwards it then brushes off Ryan's arm so technically he was offside. Debatable as to whether that brush can be counted as "playing the ball forward". Anyway, psv's point (I think he's right) renders it all academic. He was onside whatever happened. The defender behind the line is counted as being in play. You cannot leave the field without permission from the ref and you cannot play someone offside by standing over the line It touched Ryan and he knocked it forwards so you can count it whether it was intentional or not and the bloke behind the line was the ONLY defender behind Carew so it doesn't render the argument academic as there needs to be two. Can't you get Sian Massey on the phone to explain it to you. ;D
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Post by thepig on Feb 5, 2011 18:32:46 GMT
The defender behind the line is counted as being in play. You cannot leave the field without permission from the ref and you cannot play someone offside by standing over the line Nobody is saying otherwise mate, he was still offside, assuming it didn't come off Gordon. As I said earlier, I'm staggered that people still don't understand that there has to be two players between the attacker and the goal.
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Post by Anto1962 on Feb 5, 2011 18:43:01 GMT
The defender behind the line is counted as being in play. You cannot leave the field without permission from the ref and you cannot play someone offside by standing over the line Nobody is saying otherwise mate, he was still offside, assuming it didn't come off Gordon. As I said earlier, I'm staggered that people still don't understand that there has to be two players between the attacker and the goal. If it didn't come off Gordon last he is offside, however as somebody else has pointed out there's bugger all we can do about it now. Pity Cattermole wasn't there he would have caught it for Gordon and cleared it up the pitch and this dicussion wouldn't be happening ;D
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