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Post by shakermaker on Apr 7, 2008 14:46:03 GMT
I don't necessarily agree. In my book a glory-hunter is one who supports a more successful team outside of the area from which they grew up.
Those living in Burslem territory could still become glory-hunting Stoke fans, as they could say "Well, Vale are shite and we're still part of the city of Stoke-on-Trent anyway, so we'll support Stoke 'cos they're more successful."
I don't agree with the OP's statement that it's OK to support a club if you live within 30 miles of it either. It's not OK to support Man U if you live in Bury or Rochdale. If so then those respective clubs would've gone under years ago!
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Post by bobafett on Apr 7, 2008 14:58:09 GMT
4 lad's who get in my local are all gloryhunting stoke fans . 1 of them used to " support " Newcastle utd , 1 of them was a vale fan , the other 2 didn't even like football 6 months ago . Now every time I see them they're all like " we're going up " and " I'll be there against Palace " . i know it's good for the club that the gate's are improving but it doesn't half wind me up .  |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 7, 2008 15:00:51 GMT
I've supported Stoke since getting into football 12 years ago. But I always lived in Newcastle-under-Lyme... which would actually make Newcastle Town FC my official local team. Bear in mind that when I first started supporting Stoke, I didn't even know Newcastle Town existed as a football club. So all things considered, does supporting Stoke make me a glory hunter? Discuss. Yes, you gloryhunting bastard! ;D |
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Post by knowingeye on Apr 7, 2008 15:02:05 GMT
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Post by bobafett on Apr 7, 2008 15:02:46 GMT
It's not all black and white though is it . I have 2 mate's from Congleton who have had Liverpool season tickets since they were 6 years old as there dad took them . i know for a fact that if Liverpool ever got relegated ( unlikely I know ) they'd still go week in week out so there is no way these lad's are gloryhunters .
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 15:04:04 GMT
I can understand the frustration that regular supporters feel regarding gloryhunters, but if those gloryhunters push attendances up to almost capacity then it can only be a good thing. A full house every week can only add to the atmosphere and it might just sway some to be more loyal supporters and on a more regular basis.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 7, 2008 15:23:38 GMT
Well yeah, from a selfish point of view it's great because for the club in question their attendances become an example to others.
From an ethically sporting angle though, it's not really right. We don't like to see Stokies wearing Man U and Liverpool shirts because it's looks like a betrayal of your roots. Likewise, any small clubs in the area (Vale, Crewe, Stafford) wouldn't want to see their potential fan base seduced by a bigger club.
We have enough fans in the lower half of Stoke to fill our stadium week in, week out anyway, so we shouldn't need glory hunters. But for those who do get seduced by our club - fantastic. Turn up by all means, but spare some time to visit your hometown clubs as well.
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 15:33:00 GMT
Well yeah, from a selfish point of view it's great because for the club in question their attendances become an example to others. From an ethically sporting angle though, it's not really right. We don't like to see Stokies wearing Man U and Liverpool shirts because it's looks like a betrayal of your roots. Likewise, any small clubs in the area (Vale, Crewe, Stafford) wouldn't want to see their potential fan base seduced by a bigger club. We have enough fans in the lower half of Stoke to fill our stadium week in, week out anyway, so we shouldn't need glory hunters. But for those who do get seduced by our club - fantastic. Turn up by all means, but spare some time to visit your hometown clubs as well. I cant see how it can be a selfish point of view in the clubs eyes? The extra revenue is good for the club and can only serve to extend the fan base of Stoke City!! Is it ethically right? Well, thats football and success places no boundries on people who want to watch a succesful club, albeit if its simply to catch a glimpse of the likes of Ronaldo and all. |
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 7, 2008 15:47:44 GMT
"Selfish" was probably the wrong word, though "indulgent" more appropriate. That extra revenue and extended fan base, while being brilliant for the club, is essentially being achieved through fans whose allegiances should be to other clubs.
Slightly less than being a Stoke fan, I'm also a football fan as well and thus pro anything for the game's better good. Fans who should be supporting a club but choose to support a better performing club because they're more successful is a betrayal of sorts.
If football and success places no boundaries, then is it OK for England fans to support Brazil, Italy or France because they're better and more successful than us??
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Post by boothenbus on Apr 7, 2008 15:50:55 GMT
I've got a few mates who now instead of putting in a text: 'How did stoke do?' put 'How did WE do?'.
I know I should be pleased the club are being supported more but I can't help feeling .... fuck off where were you in september!
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Post by goatmajor on Apr 7, 2008 15:58:17 GMT
if you're going to be a glory hunter, there are much better and safer bets than th'Potters!!
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 16:09:25 GMT
Im not saying I agree "that changing clubs at the drop of a hat is palatable" more that I can see what good it does for the club? The positives outway the negatives in my eyes so we can only prosper from our success? Im a football supporter in the deeper sense of the word and to me gloryhunters will come and go at clubs like ours, but I dont care, because lets take their money and show them what a real football club is all about. As for england could you really blame anyone for jumping ship  |
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Post by jay1610 on Apr 7, 2008 16:14:25 GMT
In years to come if we make it to the promised land? You only qualify if you live over 30 miles away from Stoke and have no family members who support Stoke? :: there are plenty who fit this who have followed us through thick and thin . However the office manager at the courier company is from longton, used to go Stoke when he was a kid, but hasn't been in years , in a recent conversation with him, he didn't even know we were top, when I told him, he said he might go again if they go up , now he in my eyes may be stoke born and bred, but he'd still be a gloryhunter , having taken no interest in us for eons but suddenly turning up when we get to the prem How could you not know? Surely it's pretty hard not to get word of it ??? ? |
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 7, 2008 16:14:37 GMT
another wind up statement, stick to what you know best prem4stoke, naff all!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
If you take it that way then so be it, it is not intended to be a wind up I am saying fair play to those Stoke supporters from a far! Read the POST and not what you want out of it.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 7, 2008 16:45:15 GMT
What a load of tripe. Just because someone lives in a particular area does NOT mean they "should" support the local team. I have only been in Stoke once in my life, yet we now have a cadre of about 10 Stokies in a small town is the South Eastern USA (all who have never been to Stoke at all). They support Stoke because I taught my children to. They then taught their spouses and then their children. Add in a few friends along the way and the Stoke cause is growing.
Do you mean that we should all be supporting the Macon Mud (or whatever the team is called)?
What if you were born one place but live in another? What if you only live where you do due to your job and you can't really stand the place? What if you object to spending your hard earned cash to watch tripe when you could watch something far better.
In this day and age of global communications, locality has very little to do with which team you support.
Now someone who changes teams just because their current one isn't doing well ..... that's a glory hunter.
By the way, just thought up a new definition of thickness ..........
a "glory hunter" who switches to supporting Stoke. Surely one look at the record book would negate any temptation to switch to Stoke for "glory" purposes! ;D
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 17:19:39 GMT
prem4stoke
Ive just read it again and it still says the same thing?
I cant see how your statement gives any praise?
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Post by prem4stoke on Apr 7, 2008 17:37:47 GMT
It says who would be classed not who IS. In my mind if you already support Stoke and fall in the category I set then you are NOT a glory hunter! and therfore I praise your support for Stoke. ;D I just wanted to see how many Stoke supporters we have already who have supported Stoke through the bad times who in years to come people (not me) would class them as glory hunters Now do you get me?? |
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 17:43:43 GMT
no, Ive completely lost the plot now??
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Post by GrandStokie on Apr 7, 2008 17:46:57 GMT
I guess theres a hidden message in there somewhere?
Maybe you should have asked "what consitutes a gloryhunter?"
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