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Post by evans1863 on Feb 1, 2011 6:46:52 GMT
Were 10th, in no immediate danger of relegation and only an outside chance of Europe (which is much more unlikely now) yet people are calling for Pulis out?
This window is ridiculous: Bent Carrol and Torres are prime examples, i've not seen any other deals but I challenge every one of you to find a bargain that was signed for a club who we realistically could have had. If DV says TP doesnt want O'Hara then I think that maybe, just maybe Pulis deserves us to trust his judgement based on the improvements the club has made in the last few years.
We will finish the season anywhere between 10th and 14th, thats it, 3 year plan complete. If we sign the left back, centre mid and striker we've been chasing in the summer and keep hold of Bego Shawcross Huth Whitehead Ethrington Pennant KJ and Fuller then we have not lost time, we will have a fantastic squad for the next 2/3 year plan. I also think Carew is a very astute signing, the apathy towards him signing was because of the Fuller uncertainty. I dont think there is a much better player in the air than him so as I said at the time as long as he's been signing to play the KJ role and not ther Fuller role we have picked up a very good player.
Look at the bigger picture before going off on rants, the club have earned our trust.
In Pulis we trust
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Post by Linx on Feb 1, 2011 7:21:07 GMT
Agreed. Tuncay was outstanding occasionally (but, then, so have Fuller, Begovic and Wilson been - and they're still with us) but generally he was a bit of a headless chicken and it always seemed to me that we lost more games than won when he was in the starting line up.
I think people are pissed off because we had such high hopes of Tuncay and Gudjohnssen, who were both established internationals, marquee signings, and a sign that the club was entering a higher sphere. Now it seems that we've regressed but, if you look at the younger potential of the squad (Shawcross, Begovic, Huth, Wilson, Shotton, plus those lads that TP has brought in for the future) you can see that TP's plan is going in the right direction.
Look beyond the debate about Tuncay, Gudjohnssen and Carew - they're expensive stopgap players while we build up the depth of the squad for the long term. It's more important that we hold on to our best young players, than lose some of the older star players.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2011 7:23:57 GMT
Agreed. Tuncay was outstanding occasionally (but, then, so have Fuller, Begovic and Wilson been - and they're still with us) but generally he was a bit of a headless chicken and it always seemed to me that we lost more games than won when he was in the starting line up. I think people are pissed off because we had such high hopes of Tuncay and Gudjohnssen, who were both established internationals, marquee signings, and a sign that the club was entering a higher sphere. Now it seems that we've regressed but, if you look at the younger potential of the squad (Shawcross, Begovic, Huth, Wilson, Shotton, plus those lads that TP has brought in for the future) you can see that TP's plan is going in the right direction. Look beyond the debate about Tuncay, Gudjohnssen and Carew - they're expensive stopgap players while we build up the depth of the squad for the long term. It's more important that we hold on to our best young players, than lose some of the older star players. Those first two posts are far too sensible for this board! ;D PS - I would like to have seen us go for Bradley who went to Villa. he looked just what we need based on his World Cup. Still they only have him on loan so we can buy him if they get relegated!  Did warnock move in the end? He could have done a decent job for us. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 1, 2011 7:31:22 GMT
The really funny thing is that Coates promised us a quiet window in late December - not his fault that no one believed him! ;D
I do think that TP had a change of heart and planned to get some players in yesterday - I wonder if we will ever find who they were?
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Post by actongatestokie on Feb 1, 2011 7:37:49 GMT
I wonder if anyone has calmed down this morning?
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After yesterday, at least we know exactly who the boss is!
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Post by wuzza on Feb 1, 2011 7:39:40 GMT
Last night showed that either the avarage age of posters on this board is about 13 or there are some serious mental health issues out there !
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Post by RAF on Feb 1, 2011 7:45:45 GMT
I think what last night actually proved is that if people are allowed to get whipped up into a frenzy by stupid threads like the DavesViews one then it is blatently obvious people will be overly disappointed after being fed a load of fucking horseshit for so long.
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Post by psv2000 on Feb 1, 2011 7:51:03 GMT
In the madness of this window - 35 mill for a rookie with a dodgy temperament - agents would have been inflating their players by crazy amounts yesterday so even if we had got someone in they would have cost the earth. Don't forget that if you buy one overpriced player on crazy money the effect that has on the rest of the squad - they all want increases to keep them at the same level.
Can someone tell me one good thing about the transfer window system? It was brought in so that top clubs wouldn't be able to go out and buy new players if things weren't going well after a couple of months of the season so clubs would have to focus on better coaching of what they had... Great idea. Let's look at what happened..
Top clubs have massive squads so they are covered for injuries suspensions and loss of form.
Non-automatic 1st teamers are paid huge amounts to compensate for not playing thus creating wage inflation.
Agents have even more power to manipulate so make huge amounts of money which goes out of the game
Transfer fees are even more inflated as desperation sets in near the end of the window
Small clubs can't sell a player whenever they (or their bank) needs money so worsens the financial situation of the smaller clubs. When they can sell a player then it's a buyers' market and the price drops to the amount the bank needs and the rest goes to the player/agent.
Absolute madness. Thanks FIFA/UEFA
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Post by labyrinth on Feb 1, 2011 7:54:30 GMT
There's some of the most sensible posts I've ever seen on this board.
I too think it's time to ignore the postings of people like Davesviews who is clearly not all he says but probally a very lonely man making himself feel important trawling for bits of rumours on the net............. this window proves it.
We almost got all our money back for Tunny and are now saving a fortune with his friend the useless bench warmer gone.
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Post by robinredcoat on Feb 1, 2011 7:56:59 GMT
At last some common sense. I don't post very frequently on this board for exactly the reasons seen on the board last night. I was somewhat shocked and dismayed by the total over reaction and stupid comments of last night. It seems there are some "so-called" supporters who just want to slag off the club come what may, and moan moan moan. I could understand it if we were back in the third division. The window went crazy yesterday, with stupid money being paid. £35 million for Carroll, come on that is crazy. Who knows what sort of demands were being made of Stoke by players and clubs alike. Thankfully we have sensible management in our club who are going to make sure we dont bankrupt the club. The window was not what we all hoped for, but RAF makes a good point about expectations being raised by the New Signings thread. I have to say that last night, with some of the comments, I thought how fickle our support base is.  edited to correct typo |
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 1, 2011 8:04:19 GMT
WELL SAID!
The board is ridiculous at times I can't beleive people are so detached from reality.
As for Daveviews I think he's genuine he heres the snippets but with so many things up in the air in these daft windows he's always setting himself up for a fall. I read some of it but I choose to remain with an open mind.
I'm 39, I've watched so for a long time ,where we are now is still beyeond my wildest dreams of a few years back
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Post by nantwichstokie on Feb 1, 2011 8:48:45 GMT
I stayed away from the board last night as all the over reaction was bollocks. Top thread I salute you!
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 1, 2011 8:52:37 GMT
Finally people with sense and perspective!!!!! Was beginning to think this board had been overrun by hormonal teenagers and senile old fellas. I really wonder sometimes how many Stoke fans live in the real world......to read some of the opinions on here you would think not many. I put it down to a serious dose of premier league overload.....the madness of the "greatest league in the world" really seems to have affected some of us. Pulis is flawed, no doubt about it, but I would still take him over anyone else purely because he has proved he loves this club. If he wants rid of Tuncay or Fuller then he knows better than me. If he doesn't want O'Hara etc then again I trust him. You would think our recent record speaks for itself but I guess some won't be happy till we're playing flowing attacking football (think Reading, Hull, WBA etc) and dropping back through the divisions like a stone. The only advantage of that would be shedding the 10,000 fans and hopefully a large proportion of the know-it-all dicks who drive me and others mad!!!
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Post by chinesedave on Feb 1, 2011 8:55:05 GMT
Were 10th, in no immediate danger of relegation and only an outside chance of Europe (which is much more unlikely now) yet people are calling for Pulis out? This window is ridiculous: Bent Carrol and Torres are prime examples, i've not seen any other deals but I challenge every one of you to find a bargain that was signed for a club who we realistically could have had. If DV says TP doesnt want O'Hara then I think that maybe, just maybe Pulis deserves us to trust his judgement based on the improvements the club has made in the last few years. We will finish the season anywhere between 10th and 14th, thats it, 3 year plan complete. If we sign the left back, centre mid and striker we've been chasing in the summer and keep hold of Bego Shawcross Huth Whitehead Ethrington Pennant KJ and Fuller then we have not lost time, we will have a fantastic squad for the next 2/3 year plan. I also think Carew is a very astute signing, the apathy towards him signing was because of the Fuller uncertainty. I dont think there is a much better player in the air than him so as I said at the time as long as he's been signing to play the KJ role and not ther Fuller role we have picked up a very good player. Look at the bigger picture before going off on rants, the club have earned our trust. In Pulis we trust Fair points mate...but...what if Fuller AND Tuncay had both left? That was very close to happening and that worries me, being the two players who really get you out of your seat and can do the unexpected. |
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Post by frodekippe on Feb 1, 2011 9:07:13 GMT
This thread is such a breath of fresh air! Finally some common sense!
As everybody else has said, the market last night and in this window in general has been absolutely crazy. We were doing great with what we had before the window, and the main change we've made has been swapping Tunny for Carew who is better suited to our style of play and has a far superior goal scoring record in this league to the Turkish messiah! We can now get to the summer with £4.5M sat in our back pocket from the Tunny deal as well as saving Eidur's stupid wages which will add up to over £1M saved in that time and we will be NO WORSE OFF WHATSOEVER.
Then in the summer we will be able to get more value for money and spend more time researching the right options for the development of our club. January is a time for clubs that are panicking to do business and this window has really emphasised that. We all know that our squad has limitations in some areas but they could only have been improved in this window by spending ridiculous amounts of money and thankfully we have a manager and chairman who are too sensible to adopt such reckless tactics with our club's money. We have done fine up to now and will continue to do so let's all keep some faith in TP and the lads!
UP THE POTTERS!
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 1, 2011 9:07:21 GMT
I must admit that it was a poor end to a reasonable window but the reactions on here soon cheered me up.
We should have addressed (at least) the LB position but all is not lost and we got where we are today with the players we have now (Tunny aside).
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Post by jonso on Feb 1, 2011 9:14:25 GMT
About time! We kept the best most effective members of the team,added Pennant and a slim productive striker Viking. We didn't waste any money on overpriced types and got rid of some drains on resources. I am happy. The team is a bit better and the bottom line has not been compromised. Lovely.
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Post by RWChris on Feb 1, 2011 9:17:34 GMT
I have slowly learnt over the last few years to trust TP. Yes he gets some signings wrong but show me a manager who doesn't.
Our club is moving forward steadily and as pointed out by Lakeland elsewhere on the board, as things stand our club would pass the UEFA financial rules.
More than anything I want to have a club to support for the rest of my life and pass on to my children and grandchildren. Throwing money around in the January transfer window when there are few bargains to be had would've been poor management from TP and Coates.
If we want to continue to move forward and become a successful club we need to be patient and recognise that this is going to take a long time...maybe even 10-15 years.
As some have pointed out, the biggest danger to this long-term plan is us, the supporters. We need to appreciate that we have two men in charge who share similar beliefs and want the club to prosper whilst becoming self-sufficient.
Clearly davesviews gets some good information from somewhere but I believe he has exploited this and tried to pass himself off as knowing all of the club's transfer business and has ended up whipping up a frenzy on here. That's why some people feel a bit flat this morning...because he has promised things that the club (rightly) weren't willing to do.
For those that can take a step back and look at the bigger picture, we're making steady inroads to becoming an established club. We need to remain patient, avoid the knee-jerk reactions and appreciate that the manager/chairman we currently have are striving for the same long-term aims, have a unique understanding of each other and ultimately want to make sure that we'll always have a club to support.
I'm not claiming everything is perfect. I think if we go through ANOTHER transfer window this summer without addressing the left-back issue or at least attempting to improve our central midfield then TP can expect some heavy criticism. But for now the club is a beacon for those clubs who want to be run properly by owners who care about the future of their clubs.
Patience is THE most important ingredient in this. If we get impatient and force TP out there is no guarantee that Coates will be able to find another manager who shares his philosophy so closely and it could all be over as quickly as it started.
For us to become a truly great club will take a long time, but at the current rate of progress i'm more than happy to wait.
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 1, 2011 9:20:55 GMT
Last night showed that either the avarage age of posters on this board is about 13 or there are some serious mental health issues out there ! I think what last night actually proved is that if people are allowed to get whipped up into a frenzy by stupid threads like the DavesViews one then it is blatently obvious people will be overly disappointed after being fed a load of fucking horseshit for so long. I think it also demonstrated how many pre-menstrual lasses occupy this board. Ever likely we couldn't manage a sensible debate about sexism last week. ;D I think the window's been a tad disappointing, but if it's true that our plans were scuppered by the ridiculous demands of clubs and / or players, then I'm happy that we didn't get drawn into it. We're good enough to finish mid-table, and that'll do me for now. I'm glad Eidur's left and very happy with JP & JC. Tunch's departure leaves me a little sad - I'm gutted for him that it didn't work out (for whatever reason). However in the cold light of day, I can only recall three games in which he really shone, and only one where his performance won it for us. I don't think we're doomed to relegation now he's gone. My greatest hopes and fears now surround Ric. I just hope he can put behind him whatever it is that's been upsetting him in the last few weeks, and get back to putting in the performances we've grown to love him for. If he can, we're still a match for anyone outside the top five or six. |
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Post by stokie23 on Feb 1, 2011 9:22:15 GMT
January transfer window:
IN :
PENNENT,J
CAREW,J
OUT :
TUNCAY,S
GUDJOHNSEN,E
Who would of thought those names what have been comming in and out of the club just a few years ago ;D
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Post by cookymonster on Feb 1, 2011 9:22:35 GMT
Were 10th, in no immediate danger of relegation and only an outside chance of Europe (which is much more unlikely now) yet people are calling for Pulis out? This window is ridiculous: Bent Carrol and Torres are prime examples, i've not seen any other deals but I challenge every one of you to find a bargain that was signed for a club who we realistically could have had. If DV says TP doesnt want O'Hara then I think that maybe, just maybe Pulis deserves us to trust his judgement based on the improvements the club has made in the last few years. We will finish the season anywhere between 10th and 14th, thats it, 3 year plan complete. If we sign the left back, centre mid and striker we've been chasing in the summer and keep hold of Bego Shawcross Huth Whitehead Ethrington Pennant KJ and Fuller then we have not lost time, we will have a fantastic squad for the next 2/3 year plan. I also think Carew is a very astute signing, the apathy towards him signing was because of the Fuller uncertainty. I dont think there is a much better player in the air than him so as I said at the time as long as he's been signing to play the KJ role and not ther Fuller role we have picked up a very good player. Look at the bigger picture before going off on rants, the club have earned our trust. In Pulis we trust Fair points mate...but...what if Fuller AND Tuncay had both left? That was very close to happening and that worries me, being the two players who really get you out of your seat and can do the unexpected. But they didn't so why worry? At the end of the day we've shipped out two players who haven't been playing regular and brought in Carew whilst sealing a permanent deal for Pennant. I'm relatively happy! |
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Feb 1, 2011 9:23:08 GMT
The aftermath of the tuncay news was some of the darkest most disrespectful shite i have ever had the misfortune to read on this board. The usual suspects getting in a hissy fit and starting on TP, moronic knuckle draggers who can't actually debate things just abuse. Racism going under the radar on the new signings thread because it was moving so fast. If you want TP out then fine, but if an argument for his departure can't be represented in a way that doesn't involve mindless abuse then why bother ???
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Post by kerouac on Feb 1, 2011 9:24:13 GMT
did i read that right.."as long as we can keep hold of whitehead"?
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Feb 1, 2011 9:26:24 GMT
The aftermath of the tuncay news was some of the darkest most disrespectful shite i have ever had the misfortune to read on this board. The usual suspects getting in a hissy fit and starting on TP, moronic knuckle draggers who can't actually debate things just abuse. Racism going under the radar on the new signings thread because it was moving so fast. If you want TP out then fine, but if an argument for his departure can't be represented in a way that doesn't involve mindless abuse then why bother ??? +100 |
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Feb 1, 2011 9:26:53 GMT
At last some common sense. I don't post very frequently on this board for exactly the reasons seen on the board last night. I was somewhat shocked and dismayed by the total over reaction and stupid comments of last night. It seems there are some "so-called" supporters who just want to slag off the club come what may, and moan moan moan. I could understand it if we were back in the third division. The window went crazy yesterday, with stupid money being paid. £35 million for Carroll, come on that is crazy. Who knows what sort of demands were being made of Stoke by players and clubs alike. Thankfully we have sensible management in our club who are going to make sure we dont bankrupt the club. The window was not what we all hoped for, but RAF makes a good point about expectations being raised by the New Signings thread. I have to say that last night, with some of the comments, I thought how fickle our support base is. edited to correct typo+1,000 |
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Post by stokerambler on Feb 1, 2011 9:28:25 GMT
At last some perspective. Well said everybody!
The expectations for this window were far far to high on this board, whipped up by the ITKs and the media rumours. Football has gone crazy when someone like Carroll is worth 35m! I for one am glad that Stoke did not, and do not, get sucked into the frenzy and splash out over the top fees for players.
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Post by stokiepo on Feb 1, 2011 9:28:47 GMT
I love this thread.
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Post by parker on Feb 1, 2011 9:30:19 GMT
Making statements like 'it's going to be a busy week' didn't help . Pulis made out lots would be going on but as we have all seen the busy bit was getting rid of players . I can understand why some people have over-reacted .
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 1, 2011 9:37:15 GMT
Making statements like 'it's going to be a busy week' didn't help . Pulis made out lots would be going on but as we have all seen the busy bit was getting rid of players . I can understand why some people have over-reacted . I can understand why some people will feel disappointed, but that doesn't excuse over-reaction. It does suggest an excess of female hormones. |
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Post by marko2008 on Feb 1, 2011 9:51:46 GMT
Parker - you have to consider that the context of 'it's going to be a busy week' might not be what you thought it was. It's quite feasible that TP meant it would be a week of running around, lots of phone calls and emails trying to establish whether there was a player available for the right money. It doesn't necessarily mean that he expected lots of players in and out of Stoke.
The other important point that this thread raises is that there is, quite clearly a lot of young supporters who post here, and we've certainly attracted more of the younger end of the fan base since we've been in the prem. These guys aren't as considered and thoughtful about their opinions and they pretty much voice what they feel without thought for whether it can be deemed offensive or not. That's what growing up is all about. You learn as you get older and as you make mistakes. We've all been there to some extent.
If you want to really find out what's happening in the transfer window from within the club, then apply for a job there. Everything else is always going to be just speculation.
One more thing. Forums always attract far more people and views that are negative than positive ones. People don't comment about positive things as much, and most people come on here fit that bill. It's really an environment for people to 'get it off their chest'.
If you don't like what you read here, just leave it alone. If its genuinely offensive, then report it to the moderators. If there was racism here yesterday, then let the mods know who did it.
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Did warnock move in the end? He could have done a decent job for us.
