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Post by Robo10 on Jan 29, 2011 15:13:42 GMT
When did the supporters of our club become so up their own arses?
Some of the bilge I read about some of our OWN players makes me physically angry!
People posting absolute SHITE about players in our team now who have made us a mid table force in the beat league in the world, who criticise household names that are linked with the club before they have kicked a ball for us (or even signed!), and who berate the club and it's management non stop
On the players, I see non stop criticism of Collins, yes a poor left back but a Stoke City player non the less who should be encouraged not vilified at leas until we actually sign somebody better
Slating of Rory, Deano, Pennant, Wilson - yes, they are not the most attacking unit and give the ball away a lot, but they work bloody hard for Stoke City and have gotten us where we are to date, so leave them the fuck alone
Jones gets stick, still our top goalscorer - being asked to play a deeper role than he is used to and gets criticised for being 'idle' - he fact he gets the shit kicked out of him every week isn't mentioned
Big Mama, bless him, has many shortcomings as a striker but works his bollocks off for the team and has been through a hell of a lot for Stoke City - have some gratitude for wha he has achieved here and where we have come with him
There seem to be a lot of johnny come latelys on here recently, criticising everything about the club. I could only have dreamed of being in this position over 10 years ago when I joined the Oatie online, and some of the shit served up in that period but we always stuck with them and gave them our support
The PL brings with it I suppose a new breed of expectancy and greed that infects individuals and makes them football snobs - just look at the messageboards of Man U, Chelsea, Man City to see how they look down on the rest (not all fans, just some), with many o them seemingly having some sort of penis envy over who is the biggest team/history/fanbase etc - who gives a shit, I'm just glad to be here.
Don't become complacent tossers Stoke fans, enjoy the ride, support the team, welcome whoever wears the red and White with open arms - and if no fucker wants to come, then bollocks to them, we have done ok so far without them.
Peace out, come on you rip roaring Potterrrs.
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 29, 2011 15:16:41 GMT
Ps - this doesn't mean I can't be pissed off with an individual on a Saturday evenin after a game - I mean those who constantly criticise regardless, even if the player hasn't played for months!
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Post by Batfink on Jan 29, 2011 15:19:38 GMT
I agree
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Post by wuzza on Jan 29, 2011 15:21:10 GMT
If you dare make these sort of points Robo you are told that it is the whole point of having a message board !
Quite what the benefit of hurling abuse at players who have done so well for is, I havent a clue, but it is apparently both liberating and very funny (if you have the mental capacity of a whelk).
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Post by lawman57 on Jan 29, 2011 15:26:37 GMT
Completley agree well said
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Post by Tubes on Jan 29, 2011 15:30:43 GMT
I definitely think the culture of the premier league, where success needs to be immediate, has spoiled us.
In our first season, we were loud and intimidating at home, and every result was a bonus. We made our ground into a fortress and became difficult to beat.
Then, we started expecting to beat teams at home. If you expect to win, it destroys slightly the underdog mentality, and the very atmosphere that was helping us to become such a force at home. Before long we had people booing when we lost a game at home they thought we should win. I can't remember it being the same in the lower leagues.
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Post by gibby1409 on Jan 29, 2011 15:31:52 GMT
Good Points Robo!
A message Board must remain as a forum for free speech, but some of the singling out of OUR players does go too far to be honest.
Two weeks ago today, we saw Ryan, along with Huthy, complete dominate Davis & Almander against Bolton, but since last week, I've read posts saying that Ryan is crap, and should be dropped?
Danny Collins has been poor in recent weeks, but Higgy was in, then got injured, so it's been dealt with in the short term. We urgently need a new Left Back, and I'm sure we'll get one, but as West Ham will find out, a new Left Back on £90k a week won't keep us up!
Let's criticise the Team when it's deserved, and last week was crap, but ALL the Team was crap, not just Collins, Jones, Rory etc etc.
We need to keep the Board open to all opinions, because that is the purpose of a forum like this, but let's cut some of the bollocks out of it, it doesn't do us any favours!
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jan 29, 2011 15:32:58 GMT
Brilliant post, agree 100%
Thing is, these numpties must have very boring lives and spend hours on here criticising and moaning. I think it says more about them than the club, manager and players they are constantly complaining about.
The reality is that the majority of fans are happy and realistic but the minority of arseholes feel the need to spout their vile bilge on here all day long making this message board seem very unrepresentive at times.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 29, 2011 15:35:12 GMT
I think the pressure of survival in this league turn a few of us into irrational ***** when we lose.
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Post by herkbloke on Jan 29, 2011 15:38:20 GMT
Fella, these aren't non league players we're talking about. They are very well paid professional footballers and work ethic should be a given. What I expect in addition are players who have a modicum of skill and the ability to at least make a simple descision and complete a simple pass. This is something our central midfield struggles with and tbh, none of our CMs would get into any other prem team. The whole "look where we've come from" argument is wearing thin and doesn't really have the relavance as it did 1 or 2 seasons ago.
As for encouragement and Collins, most on here would love to encourage him to pack his bags and fuck off back to Vauxhall Motors. Harsh, but I've had a bellyfull of him this season.Most of our squad are on, and this is a guess, 15 grand plus a week. i'm pretty sure that would add up to a monthly wage that drawfs your yearly income. That in itself should be "encouragement"
Now, fwiw, I think Wilson and to a lesser extent, Walters will become valued players for us, and I agree that a minority have started to come accross as the sort of fans of "big" clubs that I used to despise. But, end of day this is a forum to talk all things Stoke and sometimes, you may find that others don't tow the party line or sing the company anthem. That's just how it is I'm afraid.
Please stop this dick waving contest that you're post has desended into, i.e. you're a better supporter than anyone else, because that is plainly a load of shit. Most on this board, over a certain age, have spent years of misery supporting our team and the shit served up at places like Stockport, Grimbsy and the like. Waddo, Stokelad84 and alot with differing opinions included. Because you blindly follow all that TP says doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
Are you highlighting the duality of man with your "makes me physically angry!" and "Peace out" shit at the end of your threads by the way? Does anyone actually say "Peace Out"?
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Post by stokiebog on Jan 29, 2011 15:40:52 GMT
We're in the top half of the prem, 3rd season in, and with more points this season than at this point in the last 2
The players we have are those that have gotten us here, and so far, have kept us here, so, to a man (yes, EVEN Collins!! lol) they've got my support...
Of course, when said players leave, my personal thoughts about the players come to the fore, and I then judge them on how good a servant to the club they were, and I follow (or forget) them from then on..
BUT, if they're wearing OUR colours, then they are MY team... v:)V <shrugs>
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 29, 2011 15:43:36 GMT
Errrr, I just did
I can't remember saying I was better than anybody youth, I was commenting on people slating our own players - can't see any benefit in doing so, especially to the team.
Perhaps you like to boo at the end of the game too - thats your right as a customer, to me it makes people tossers.
No need to name drop folk
Peace out
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 29, 2011 15:45:53 GMT
Ps - dick waving? Saying I am a better supporter than others?
Blindly following TPs path?
Not sure if you have even read my post correctly!
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Post by jeremiah on Jan 29, 2011 15:57:36 GMT
Tart.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 29, 2011 16:06:21 GMT
Good posts Robo - far too many on here who are too quick to slag off the players and manager who have taken us to our highest position in 30 years.
And for herbloke to say that we managed to get to mid table without a single central midfielder who could get into any other premier league team surely shows what a great manager weve got.
Probably too thick to appreciate his own wisdom though!
And of course it's relevant to think about where we've come from. We're doing better than last season, which was better than 08/09. Promotion in 07/08 came after a good 06/07 which was a huge improvement on a disappointing 05/06. Fairly steady improvement it seems to me, which belies all the nonsense about a shit midfield, shit fullbacks, shit, greedy lazy strikers, and a shit manager that we see on here.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 29, 2011 16:08:54 GMT
To be fair, the transfer window that promised so much has so far been a huge let down but with a few days to go it could still work out well. The frustration at the lack of signings is bound to make people critical of the management and they have every right to do so but, to be fair, the majority of the board are level headed and positive fans. The only players that seem to vet regular abuse are Mama, before his injury, and Collins and, although I wouldnt advocate abuse of players, Collins has got what he deserves after some truly horrific performances.
We have a number of attention seeking idiots, both pro and anti-Pulis who will just post to suit there own agenda, regardless of the performance of the team or individual but the majority are here to put forward their views and participate in a lively debate.
Unless we make some signings, along with the imminent departure of Ric, the knives will be out for TP and co and they will quite rightly be criticised for a truly awful window but even though we are a few key signings from top 10 I think our current side will be safe enough this season.
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Jan 29, 2011 16:09:37 GMT
It's become the norm around here to criticize for the sake of........ criticizing....
I couldn't be happier with where the team is. Some folks think we should be in europe by now.....
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Post by kerouac on Jan 29, 2011 16:10:32 GMT
dude, ive been enjoying the ride for 40 years or so and have witnessed many ups and downs.if someone wants to get tucked into a player on this board then thats alright by me,thats what happens during a match is nt it?
players like collins and(grabbing my helmet)whitehead,sidibe,rory and whelan are not up to it im afraid, and rather than thanking them like some frantic arse licking juvenile for playing football in front of an extremely loyal fan base and earning money we can only dream of,i can honestly say i would nt give a toss if i never saw em play for my beloved club again.
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Post by jeremiah on Jan 29, 2011 16:11:44 GMT
To be fair, the transfer window that promised so much has so far been a huge let down but with a few days to go it could still work out well. The frustration at the lack of signings is bound to make people critical of the management and they have every right to do so but, to be fair, the majority of the board are level headed and positive fans. The only players that seem to vet regular abuse are Mama, before his injury, and Collins and, although I wouldnt advocate abuse of players, Collins has got what he deserves after some truly horrific performances. We have a number of attention seeking idiots, both pro and anti-Pulis who will just post to suit there own agenda, regardless of the performance of the team or individual but the majority are here to put forward their views and participate in a lively debate. Unless we make some signings, along with the imminent departure of Ric, the knives will be out for TP and co and they will quite rightly be criticised for a truly awful window but even though we are a few key signings from top 10 I think our current side will be safe enough this season. Truly awful window? Grow a pair. |
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Jan 29, 2011 16:12:38 GMT
dude, ive been enjoying the ride for 40 years or so and have witnessed many ups and downs.if someone wants to get tucked into a player on this board then thats alright by me,thats what happens during a match is nt it? players like collins and(grabbing my helmet)whitehead,sidibe,rory and whelan are not up to it im afraid, and rather than thanking them like some frantic arse licking juvenile for playing football in front of an extremely loyal fan base and earning money we can only dream of,i can honestly say i would nt give a toss if i never saw em play for my beloved club again. I love how you brought the bitterness of them making more money than you into your argument. it's sport, hello? get a clue. |
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 29, 2011 16:16:03 GMT
To be fair, the transfer window that promised so much has so far been a huge let down but with a few days to go it could still work out well. The frustration at the lack of signings is bound to make people critical of the management and they have every right to do so but, to be fair, the majority of the board are level headed and positive fans. The only players that seem to vet regular abuse are Mama, before his injury, and Collins and, although I wouldnt advocate abuse of players, Collins has got what he deserves after some truly horrific performances. We have a number of attention seeking idiots, both pro and anti-Pulis who will just post to suit there own agenda, regardless of the performance of the team or individual but the majority are here to put forward their views and participate in a lively debate. Unless we make some signings, along with the imminent departure of Ric, the knives will be out for TP and co and they will quite rightly be criticised for a truly awful window but even though we are a few key signings from top 10 I think our current side will be safe enough this season. Truly awful window? Grow a pair. Great point, brilliantly articulated. I'd tell you to read the post again to see the point I made but judging by your post it could take you all day to read it. Jog on youth. |
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Post by herkbloke on Jan 29, 2011 16:16:50 GMT
Youth? I'm 42 but thanks anyway!
TBH, I've never booed even in the dark ages of Bally, Bates, Kamara etc and by fuck, there was plenty to boo about then.
It's no bad thing that some of us want to keep the momentum going, but i accept that it becomes more difficult the more we become established in some ways. The "slagging" of players imo, is acceptable on a forum but shouldn't manifest itself on match day, but at end of day they are very well paid and supported units of productivity and are employed to do a job.
As I said, I don't boo but may inwardly groan and on match day the whole team will get my support. But I reserve the right to bleat like fuck on here if any have shockers and praise like fuck when they play well.
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Post by Davef on Jan 29, 2011 16:17:21 GMT
To be fair, the transfer window that promised so much has so far been a huge let down... What did the transfer window promise then? I've read a couple of statements by Pulis and Coates saying that they expected it to be a quiet one. People whip themselves up into a frenzy every time the window opens because they blindly follow threads created by people who have absolutely no authority and are nothing to do with Stoke City. If the window is a let down it's because too many people have built it up to be something it isn't. |
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Post by kerouac on Jan 29, 2011 16:19:24 GMT
im not bitter at all mate,thats the way it is,i dont know what you mean to be honest.the guy is saying we need to blindly get behind anyone wearing the red and white,and at the beginning of a match i would say thats crucial,however the players i mentioned test my patience after a while.
what do you mean by" get a clue"? is the time difference a problem for you or sommat?
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 29, 2011 16:20:26 GMT
If we keep Bego, Huth, Shawcross, Mattie and Tuncay, after finalising a deal for Penant, and recruiting Carew we will have had a decent window.
I'd be sorry to see Fuller go but after 4 seasons in the prem he's only just in to double figures. If he maintains his average we can expect another 2 goals from him by the end of the season. Personally, I think Carew will get more than 2.
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Post by jeremiah on Jan 29, 2011 16:23:34 GMT
Truly awful window? Grow a pair. Great point, brilliantly articulated. I'd tell you to read the post again to see the point I made but judging by your post it could take you all day to read it. Jog on youth. ;D Interesting to note that your retort is a vain attempt to belittle my intellect. Nice. And yes, you're right, it would take me all day to read that inane drivel. I'd still be attempting to fathom the warped logic by which you reached the conclusion that the activity in this transfer window has been unacceptable. Succinctly put, grow a fucking pair. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2011 16:23:49 GMT
To be fair, the transfer window that promised so much has so far been a huge let down... What did the transfer window promise then? I've read a couple of statements by Pulis and Coates saying that they expected it to be a quiet one. People whip themselves up into a frenzy every time the window opens because they blindly follow threads created by people who have absolutely no authority and are nothing to do with Stoke City. If the window is a let down it's because too many people have built it up to be something it isn't. As a mod dave why do the hirearchy let these people who as you say "have absolutely no authority" post their rubbish on the new signings thread ??? |
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Post by herkbloke on Jan 29, 2011 16:28:06 GMT
Good posts Robo - far too many on here who are too quick to slag off the players and manager who have taken us to our highest position in 30 years. And for herbloke to say that we managed to get to mid table without a single central midfielder who could get into any other premier league team surely shows what a great manager weve got. Probably too thick to appreciate his own wisdom though! And of course it's relevant to think about where we've come from. We're doing better than last season, which was better than 08/09. Promotion in 07/08 came after a good 06/07 which was a huge improvement on a disappointing 05/06. Fairly steady improvement it seems to me, which belies all the nonsense about a shit midfield, shit fullbacks, shit, greedy lazy strikers, and a shit manager that we see on here. To thick? Really? I never said we have a shit manager. I did say we have a poor CM pairing and an awful leftback however. I agree that steady improvement is the way forward but I refuse to sign up to this messiah shite that's spouted on here. These posistions have been an issue from day 1, week 1 in the prem and if a majority can see it, why can't our manager? And given the money spent, I personalyy expect our players to be a bit more comfortable and composed on the ball at least. |
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 29, 2011 16:32:39 GMT
Or even worse, the inane drivel that people post on it about food, what type of shit they have done, and over bollocks just to get their post counts up. And people that ask 'any updates'....
These are the same people that think (proven goalscorong machine) Kevin Phillips is shit, England u21 Cameron Jerome is shit, anybody not from the Prem is shit etc but are seperate to sign an unfit Jamie Ohara who hasn't played all season or a bloke money had heard of until 2 weeks ago with apparently only one knee
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 29, 2011 16:33:23 GMT
Great point, brilliantly articulated. I'd tell you to read the post again to see the point I made but judging by your post it could take you all day to read it. Jog on youth. ;D Interesting to note that your retort is a vain attempt to belittle my intellect. Nice. And yes, you're right, it would take me all day to read that inane drivel. I'd still be attempting to fathom the warped logic by which you reached the conclusion that the activity in this transfer window has been unacceptable. Succinctly put, grow a fucking pair. So your saying if we sell Ric, and don't make another signing you'd be happy with the window? We badly need to sign a LB and a replacement for Ric. We have signed Carew and Pennant, both good signings but we need to replace the spark that Ric gave us. My post simply stated people have every right be be unhappy if this was the case at the end of the window, like I said, actually read a post. |
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