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Post by Parkerson on Apr 6, 2008 12:05:44 GMT
Its simple, if you love Pulis you hate Hoefkens, because they feel the need justify anything Pulis does.....If you hate Pulis you love Hoefken, because the dislike 99.9% of what Pulis does........its fucking sad, whether or not the Pulis lovers ( you know who you are )dont like Hoefkens, you know yourself he has not been replaced and our team would be stronger with him in the back 4
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 12:09:54 GMT
I openly admit he would waltz back into the current team as would Higginbotham in my view but the fact we're still discussing him and not Higginbotham is entirely down to the Pulis haters who wont let it go and wont miss an opportunity to get a kick in on Pulis regardless of the league table.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 12:12:02 GMT
Parkerson has summed it up perfectly.
It is such a shame we can't comment on ex-players any more due to the paranoia of the Rimmers.
Greenhoff.......boo.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 12:17:15 GMT
Yeah because talk of below average centre halfs who made OK full backs who are long gone are commonplace aren't they!
You know as well as I do there is an agenda at work here with this particular player and it is on both sides of the Pulis divide. Your mob Mark are just as much to blame as the other mob.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 6, 2008 12:21:20 GMT
Hoefkens is a truly talented player, and the most composed, technically gifted full-back we've had since Mikael Hansson. He had his moments of defensive frailty (overexaggerated of course by the Pulis rimmers, who saw him as the root of all evil) but was a solid, reliable, committed defender as well as the BEST attacking-full-back in the division.
Griffin has been poor all season, and truly awful at the moment, and should be nowhere near our first XI or indeed 16. Unfortunately, Pulis signed him therefore he absolutely MUST be played week-in, week-out, regardless of form.
The Hoefkens out, Griffin in strategy has been a major failure of Pulis, as much as because Hoef was unceremoniously forced-out of the club by Pulis' vindictive character.
Say what you like about whether Pulis is or isn't a good manager, he is a truly odious character IMO.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 12:23:25 GMT
He's a truly odious character for prefering one player to another? He's a truly odious character for wanting his own players, in his own team.
Behave for fucks sake you're sounding idiotic.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 12:25:53 GMT
The "other" mob being your mob Sheiky.
What can't you get here?
Carl was very popular for being something a bit different in that he added real flair to the side when going forward. Stoke supporters love that, don't they?
His place in supporters hearts was secured when he was treated in such a disgusting manner last term. He was dropped for the slightest excuse. Excuses any level headed and fair minded Stoke supporter could see through.
Carl is a bit of a cult hero and deservedly so.
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Post by knowingeye on Apr 6, 2008 12:28:44 GMT
Nice sentiment but no chance in reality. Carl's gone onwards and upwards, Stokes loss but more about politics than what he could have done for the club. Biggest problem for him was who signed him. End of!
How about Gerard Piqué Bernabeu ? He's rumoured to be looking for a Man U exit.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 12:30:39 GMT
I've admitted he'd get in to our current team with ease Mark. But the fact that we are still talking about him on the eve of our biggest game for 12 years and Pulis is being described as 'odious' for fancying another type of player more, really does say a lot about our fan base. It's verging on the shameful. And he was a God awful centre half!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2008 12:33:26 GMT
It's not like people aren't talking about the game though Momo! There are other topics! The fact is an ex-Stokie was MOM in an FA Cup semi final-people will talk as he was well liked and respected by most fans.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 12:35:44 GMT
He was mentioned because he played well live on TV in a FA Cup semi final at Wembley, Sheiky.
At the mere mention of his name the Pulis Faction feel the need to have to ride in and try to rubbish him. They are clearly embarrassed by the Glorious Leaders behavior in this matter and deep down know we are not stronger without Carl at the club. Their answer is to try and suppress talk of him and rubbish the bloke
Fucking pathetic.
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Post by werrington on Apr 6, 2008 12:38:57 GMT
Funny how Tone doesnt throw his cap to the floor or coming on local radio and slating our current right back though isnt it lads?? Why is that? You got the video of Griff at Sheff Wed last week Sheik?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 12:41:23 GMT
As pathetic as the constant longing for a long gone player who reminds them of better times that never really existed, I think not. Technically you could argue that Eustace was shat on and countless other players forced out by a variety of managers yet the hate squad don't discuss those issues with such relish. They go all drama queeny about this one. That's the bit I find pathetic.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 12:53:00 GMT
Carl was a cult hero. We are going back over the same ground that I know you understand. Just admit it.
Were you comfortable by the way he was treated?
Can you explain how Tony's Liam was not tired the morning after the birth of his child when he was up all night to witness that birth but carl was?
Pulis created this situation in the first place.
To describe a mention of the bloke after a FA Cup semi in which plenty of folk saw him do well as constant harping back is just wrong.
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Post by Spiderman on Apr 6, 2008 13:05:52 GMT
Hoefkens nice hair nice missus dodgy defender
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 13:10:13 GMT
Carl couldn't stop sucking Pulis todger after he left, why was that? And just how badly can someone who was ultimately picked week in and week out be treated. By his own admission Carl left in the end becuase of the wages and security the daft smethwick twats were prepared to give him.
Sure he was an OK player but he wasn't fucking Jesus to Pulis's Satan, these sorts of things happen at clubs every single day and Hoefkens has done very, very well out of Stoke City and therefore Pulis. To suggest he is some sort of victim or describe Pulis as odious because of this is just utter tripe.
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Post by thebigmalbowski on Apr 6, 2008 13:11:10 GMT
Its simple, if you love Pulis you hate Hoefkens, because they feel the need justify anything Pulis does.....If you hate Pulis you love Hoefken, because the dislike 99.9% of what Pulis does........its fucking sad, whether or not the Pulis lovers ( you know who you are )dont like Hoefkens, you know yourself he has not been replaced and our team would be stronger with him in the back 4 I admire pulis I also admired Hoefkens But just because he had a good game yesterday (for fucking West Brom) does not mean i'd have him back. Sometimes Hoefkens was shit for stoke we DID concede a few where he forgot his defensive duties & was caught short. In summary Hoefkens DOES NOT play for stoke anymore so I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK IF HE WAS MOTM YESTERDAY. And 1 more thing why are the supposedley non biased Moderators so fucking biased ???????
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Post by Spiderman on Apr 6, 2008 13:15:44 GMT
Not a huge Hoefken fan but I have to say that it was fairly apparent to most Stoke fans that Pulis made his life difficult and often singled him out for what seemed like unfair criticism. Heofken was Pulis's scapegoat and whipping boy when things weren't going right.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 13:17:56 GMT
Just like Simmo now except that Pulis picked Hoefkens other than a handful of games and has dropped Simmo like a stone.
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Post by Butters on Apr 6, 2008 13:32:50 GMT
Just like Simmo now except that Pulis picked Hoefkens other than a handful of games and has dropped Simmo like a stone. Simmo was dropped because he wouldn't command his area, which we deeply needed as we had no leader in defence when simmo was dropped. So that is a decent reason to be dropped. Where as it was apparent TP didn't want Hoffers in the team but was a decent player. I suppose i hate Pulis now don't I
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2008 13:38:10 GMT
I don't know if you hate him, plenty of morons still do. I think Pulis has been harsh on Simmo, I may be in a minority, I don't care. What I don't suggest is that he's been treated abysmally and nor was Hoefkens treated abysmally or any worse than thousands of footballers or other employees up and down the country on a daily basis and to suggest he was and still be crying over it, really is Pulis hating bullshit of the highest order.
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 6, 2008 13:38:34 GMT
Pulis' treatment of Hoefkens is not an isolated incident. I don't call him odious simply because he forced Carl out of the club, but it is indicative of Pulis' serious character flaws. Have a read of Werrington's comments above Sheikh, he is spot on there.
Wilko and Dicko for full-backs IMO.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 6, 2008 14:38:26 GMT
Yeh! Let's chuck the youngters in at full backs. You slated Griff at Sheffield, what about that little incident where the 'kid' dived in two footed early on that could have cost us another two points? I'm all for giving the youngsters a game when they are ready, but at this stage of the season we need experience as well. Also in the current climate and the way Dicko has gone in like that in every game he as played so far, he would be lucky to stay on the pitch. Refs can't wait to get the cards out at the moment and the last thing we need is be down to ten men.
On the hoefkens debate, it wasn't us 'rimmers' that brought this thread up. We are replying to comments that once again he is a world beater. I'll remind you 'carl rimmers' in the next few games when he goes back to shipping goals in again.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Apr 6, 2008 14:50:15 GMT
Hmmmm tough one that? Should we play one of 2 young talented fullbacks or should we stick with the tossest player continually involved in the matchday squad because hes an old has-been with a bit of 'experiance'? FFS get a grip sportsman your seriously suggesting playing Griff over Dicko because he showed a bit of naivity in jumping in for 1 tackle that could have got him sent off? Because Id rather Dicko do that than commit himself to a challenge that hes never going to make instead of just backing off and biding some time, costing us an equaliser! A la Andy 'experianced' Griffin against Wednesday
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Post by Davef on Apr 6, 2008 14:54:36 GMT
I'll remind you 'carl rimmers' in the next few games when he goes back to shipping goals in again. Right, because Carl Hoefkens is responsible for every goal WBA concede is he? Mind you, he was responsible for every goal Stoke conceded last season wasn't he?
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Post by nathan on Apr 6, 2008 15:05:37 GMT
I blame Pulis.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Apr 6, 2008 15:28:01 GMT
[quote author=thebigmalbowski board=Potters thread=1207477361 post=1207487470 And 1 more thing why are the supposedley non biased Moderators so fucking biased ???????[/quote]
Who the fuck decided the moderators shouldn't have an opinion?
The moderators seem to be a pet subject of yours. Care to enlighten us as to why?
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Post by sportsman on Apr 6, 2008 15:30:08 GMT
You get a fucking grip bircheshead! Read my post again and it say's that Dicko goes flying into them two footed tackles in every match, not just the last one. Against Newcastle at home he did it for most of the match. Luckily he connected with the ball and played well in that match. With the way the game is at the moment he will get sent off for going in like that. Problem is, it's the only way he can play. I have heart attack everytime he goes for a 50/50! How can you say Griff is a has been! FFS get a grip. His experience will be valuable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2008 15:54:03 GMT
At the moment with the way Griffin is playing I'd prefer Stevie Wonder at full back never mind Wilkinson and Dickinson!
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Post by mikeyb99 on Apr 6, 2008 16:01:44 GMT
I suppose Sergei Shtaniuk was overcommitted in the tackle too Sportsman?
"Luckily he connected with the ball ..." It's not 'lucky' its called being well-timed in the tackle. I wish Griffin would occassionally get his timing right, time and again vs Sheff Wed he was too quick in committing himself leaving us completely exposed.
I can't believe Dicko is getting slated for being too committed to Stoke City FC!
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