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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 26, 2011 20:44:26 GMT
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Post by myleftboot on Jan 26, 2011 21:04:01 GMT
Honest question here. How do they get away with it?
Before my current problems meaning I am unable to work until after my operations (I can't wait to get back as doing nothing all day is driving me crackers) I did have one or two short stints on JSA. Everytime I went to sign on I came out with loads of possible jobs off the machines which I told them about as part of my JSA agreement.
After so long under JSA you go to Jobclub etc. Where are tbese people getting lost in tbe system?
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 26, 2011 21:21:04 GMT
Honest question here. How do they get away with it? Before my current problems meaning I am unable to work until after my operations (I can't wait to get back as doing nothing all day is driving me crackers) I did have one or two short stints on JSA. Everytime I went to sign on I came out with loads of possible jobs off the machines which I told them about as part of my JSA agreement. After so long under JSA you go to Jobclub etc. Where are tbese people getting lost in tbe system? A big chunk will be this lot........ www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350359/400-000-sickness-benefits-cheats-94-incapacity-claimants-CAN-work.html......with their bullshit 'illnesses' Then you have the pro breeders who know the exact criteria to get the maximum amount of income support, housing benefit, child benefit etc. The ones who get knocked up at 15 so they dont have to work. The list goes on and on and until these free rides are stopped and only those who really need help get it, it'll never change and the pot will keep getting drained. |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 26, 2011 21:32:14 GMT
the big bad tories are slowly changing it
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Post by myleftboot on Jan 26, 2011 21:35:02 GMT
I suppose it is a silly statement to ask if these people ever get bored. With every hospital appointment I have I would love them to say I can work again but thankfully I am near tge end of it all now hopefully.
I went for medicals for ESA and was told by a doctor there that she will most likely see one in six people who she thinks are "swinging the lead". Sadly her hands are tied though and like you say it is the genuine people who need the help all be it short or long term that then get lumped in with the scroungers.
It truly annoys me as there are people out there who genuinly need the sickness benefit and are branded because of it.
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Post by truckerged on Jan 26, 2011 23:19:10 GMT
and just who the fuck was it who shut the pits,steel works, pots??????
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 26, 2011 23:23:45 GMT
and just who the fuck was it who shut the pits,steel works, pots?????? I was about to post the same. Who destroyed the unions so people had no real say any more? Who dismantled the manufacturing base in this country? Who started this spiral of greed and instant gratification at all costs? Fucking Thatcher that's who and last I checked she wasn't Labour. Are these 'tories' about 20 years old or do they have memory difficulties? |
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 26, 2011 23:25:50 GMT
the big bad tories are slowly changing it Yep we will soon have class system back in no time where everyone will know there place and the Middle class can even have servants and be free to state that women know nothing about the Offside Rule  We already do. Didn't take them long did it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12282505 |
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Post by nonington on Jan 26, 2011 23:30:48 GMT
Yep we will soon have class system back in no time where everyone will know there place and the Middle class can even have servants and be free to state that women know nothing about the Offside Rule We already do. Didn't take them long did it? www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-12282505But as I posted last night it just goes to show that Labour are just as likely to have gone to Oxbridge as the Tories.What do Milliband/Balls/Cooper know about the real world? |
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Post by myleftboot on Jan 26, 2011 23:43:08 GMT
Simply put we need to get back to family values. Something sadly lacking on your average estate when there are kids getting leathered and causing bother and the idle parents are watching telly at home and could'nt give a tuppence.
See it every day where I live.
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 27, 2011 9:25:35 GMT
It's all Thatchers fault  Can't wait for the bitch to die. There will be a party in the Sausage household when pennies are put on her eyes. Fucking harbinger. |
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 27, 2011 10:28:01 GMT
and just who the fuck was it who shut the pits,steel works, pots?????? I was about to post the same. Who destroyed the unions so people had no real say any more? Who dismantled the manufacturing base in this country? Who started this spiral of greed and instant gratification at all costs? Fucking Thatcher that's who and last I checked she wasn't Labour. Are these 'tories' about 20 years old or do they have memory difficulties? First up, i am no 'tory' I agree that thatcher is the one who fuck the industrial heart of this country but labour are the ones who spent 13 years giving free handouts to everyone who couldnt be arsed working and realised the more they breed, the ore they get. The scum that choose to be at the bottom of society are taking the piss just as much as the shit at the top of society. Plus it was labour who have shafted the people who want to work by filling the factories of our country with Eastern Europeans. Both the tories and labour are shit and useless and untill the country wakes up and sees that, nothing will change. |
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 27, 2011 10:56:53 GMT
I was about to post the same. Who destroyed the unions so people had no real say any more? Who dismantled the manufacturing base in this country? Who started this spiral of greed and instant gratification at all costs? Fucking Thatcher that's who and last I checked she wasn't Labour. Are these 'tories' about 20 years old or do they have memory difficulties? First up, i am no 'tory' I agree that thatcher is the one who fuck the industrial heart of this country but labour are the ones who spent 13 years giving free handouts to everyone who couldnt be arsed working and realised the more they breed, the ore they get. The scum that choose to be at the bottom of society are taking the piss just as much as the shit at the top of society. Plus it was labour who have shafted the people who want to work by filling the factories of our country with Eastern Europeans. Both the tories and labour are shit and useless and untill the country wakes up and sees that, nothing will change. Whilst I actually agree with the 'both shit and useless' comment. I can't blame 'labour' for everything as it is simply untrue. I want a proper socialist alternative to the current choice of centre/right politics of middle england. As for the scroungers. Yes there are a lot who scrounge, but it is as much to do with what Thatcher did to the country as it is those who have governed since. It hasn't all been labour remember. The tories did nothing when they were in office. I would target the 17-25 age group and they either take an NVQ or apprenticeship, a job (if available) or an education foundation course if they are thick and have missed school. Unless they attended I'd reduce their benefit allocation. Until there are sustainable, properly waged jobs out there it is hard to argue a case for a great number of people out of work finding work. As for those who abuse the system. There are systems and laws already in place to deal with those users. I don't agree with the targetting of everyone because some are fiddling the system. In fact, the biggest scroungers are foreign professionals who submit multiple claims in non existent names because they have ways in which to get NI numbers where we don't. The DWP rarely target these though as it is far easier to catch the 'estate fiddler' as he/she is usually shopped. Problem is, it suits the Thatcherite maxim of divide and conquer to label everyone as a scrounger. It could bey ou next  |
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Post by truckerged on Jan 27, 2011 16:40:51 GMT
labour didnt bring all these east european workers in the eu was responsible for this[just to remind you the tories dumped us into the eu and i dont remember any referundom!]and who was it who was advertising jobs overseas? the same fat tory bosses. who love a overpopulated jobsmarket then they can pay shit wages and treat you like shit knowing full well that you cant tell them to shove it
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Post by santy on Jan 27, 2011 18:15:49 GMT
labour didnt bring all these east european workers in the eu was responsible for this[just to remind you the tories dumped us into the eu and i dont remember any referundom!]and who was it who was advertising jobs overseas? the same fat tory bosses. who love a overpopulated jobsmarket then they can pay shit wages and treat you like shit knowing full well that you cant tell them to shove it |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 19:30:57 GMT
labour didnt bring all these east european workers in the eu was responsible for this[just to remind you the tories dumped us into the eu and i dont remember any referundom!]and who was it who was advertising jobs overseas? the same fat tory bosses. who love a overpopulated jobsmarket then they can pay shit wages and treat you like shit knowing full well that you cant tell them to shove it Another quality post from Jimbo. Another one who has forgot about the last 13 years 'labour didnt bring all these east european workers in the eu'....... ;D |
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Post by Northy on Jan 27, 2011 20:14:33 GMT
and just who the fuck was it who shut the pits,steel works, pots?????? Who destroyed the unions so people had no real say any more? got rid of the miltants who were ruining the countryWho dismantled the manufacturing base in this country? For the umpteenth fookin time, more manufacturing jobs were lost under the last Labour Government in 13 years than in the previous 18 Tory Years. please write it down 100 times and repeat it  |
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 27, 2011 20:19:59 GMT
Who destroyed the unions so people had no real say any more? got rid of the miltants who were ruining the countryWho dismantled the manufacturing base in this country? For the umpteenth fookin time, more manufacturing jobs were lost under the last Labour Government in 13 years than in the previous 18 Tory Years. please write it down 100 times and repeat it Any jobs lost under the labour government were more to do with the legacy of thatcher than labour, that's how much shit she left the manufacturing base in. See .... I can do it too |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 20:22:21 GMT
For the umpteenth fookin time, more manufacturing jobs were lost under the last Labour Government in 13 years than in the previous 18 Tory Years. please write it down 100 times and repeat it Any jobs lost under the labour government were more to do with the legacy of thatcher than labour, that's how much shit she left the manufacturing base in. See .... I can do it too Worst post of the year for the wrong facts again. You are a silly sausage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2011 20:31:11 GMT
For the umpteenth fookin time, more manufacturing jobs were lost under the last Labour Government in 13 years than in the previous 18 Tory Years. please write it down 100 times and repeat it Any jobs lost under the labour government were more to do with the legacy of thatcher than labour, that's how much shit she left the manufacturing base in. See .... I can do it too Yes can you do it. Getting it wrong again. Quick test. British Leyland in the 1970s. OR Nissan, Toyota plants from the 1980s still going today? I look forward to more complete drivel. |
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Post by stokiegav on Jan 27, 2011 20:51:57 GMT
First up, i am no 'tory' I agree that thatcher is the one who fuck the industrial heart of this country but labour are the ones who spent 13 years giving free handouts to everyone who couldnt be arsed working and realised the more they breed, the ore they get. The scum that choose to be at the bottom of society are taking the piss just as much as the shit at the top of society. Plus it was labour who have shafted the people who want to work by filling the factories of our country with Eastern Europeans. Both the tories and labour are shit and useless and untill the country wakes up and sees that, nothing will change. Whilst I actually agree with the 'both shit and useless' comment. I can't blame 'labour' for everything as it is simply untrue. I want a proper socialist alternative to the current choice of centre/right politics of middle england. As for the scroungers. Yes there are a lot who scrounge, but it is as much to do with what Thatcher did to the country as it is those who have governed since. It hasn't all been labour remember. The tories did nothing when they were in office. I would target the 17-25 age group and they either take an NVQ or apprenticeship, a job (if available) or an education foundation course if they are thick and have missed school. Unless they attended I'd reduce their benefit allocation. Until there are sustainable, properly waged jobs out there it is hard to argue a case for a great number of people out of work finding work. As for those who abuse the system. There are systems and laws already in place to deal with those users. I don't agree with the targetting of everyone because some are fiddling the system. In fact, the biggest scroungers are foreign professionals who submit multiple claims in non existent names because they have ways in which to get NI numbers where we don't. The DWP rarely target these though as it is far easier to catch the 'estate fiddler' as he/she is usually shopped. Problem is, it suits the Thatcherite maxim of divide and conquer to label everyone as a scrounger. It could bey ou next Give me strength The problem is that nobody wants a socialist alternative - parties have moved to the centrre not because its all some capitalist conspiracy but because its the only thing people vote for - its what the people want! This nonsense about Thatcher ruining everythin is the Soccialists eqivalent of Godwins law and you should really know better - the country was on its knees with power shortages rubbish everywhere etc- but I dont have to tell you as you lived through it so why do you look at it thru rose tinted specs? Serious question btw Your idea for the 17-25 group has already been done by labour and it was called Connexions - they had millions upon millions and they largely spent it on made up training courses to get keep people off the dole-it has been an unmitigated disaster. And I love how youve started to blame the "immigrants" you know a socialists on the ropes when he does that! |
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