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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 19, 2011 13:59:20 GMT
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 19, 2011 14:08:33 GMT
Yep. Give it 5 more years and we'll be in a US-style two tier system unless we're really lucky.
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 19, 2011 15:23:22 GMT
Cameron is on a mission to destroy not only the welfare system but the free at point of entry NHS too. No doubt it will all pass into private hands where individuals will make fortunes out of it and somehow end up as a 'government advisor', with a seat in the house of lords  |
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Post by davel on Jan 20, 2011 0:33:18 GMT
I'm kind of in two minds here, yes tend to disagree with the proposals but 50,000 administrators of whom some have the power to over rule Consultants regarding cancer treatment.
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 20, 2011 2:44:31 GMT
I'm kind of in two minds here, yes tend to disagree with the proposals but 50,000 administrators of whom some have the power to over rule Consultants regarding cancer treatment. Do you seriously think it will be any different for anyone who is not paying into a private health scheme? This change will merely lead to a two tier health system where the rich get what they want when they want, and the poor get refused expensive treatments or are forced to wait forever. It stinks. |
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Post by frasier45 on Jan 20, 2011 7:06:23 GMT
The rich pay for it and get good service now sause
I am worried that all the cuts are putting more strain on what is already wank nursing due to labour throwing money in the wrong places
Hostpitals And quality nursing are Fcukin shocking compared to years ago when I was younger
When nearly all staff were professional and caring
The money labour threw at it should have gone to the heart of the problem and not on management designed to make cuts on the shop floor so to speak
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 20, 2011 8:12:28 GMT
The rich pay for it and get good service now sause I am worried that all the cuts are putting more strain on what is already wank nursing due to labour throwing money in the wrong places Hostpitals And quality nursing are Fcukin shocking compared to years ago when I was younger When nearly all staff were professional and caring The money labour threw at it should have gone to the heart of the problem and not on management designed to make cuts on the shop floor so to speak Its unfair to say that nurses are unprofessional or that they don't care. Nobody would go into that job if they didn't care, stupidly long hours, taking shit from all directions, being abused and attacked by nobends whle trying to help them, constant pressure to meet targets, piles of paperwork and red tape.... the list goes on. Now the government are trying to put a freeze on pay for the next two years at least. If they didnt care they could switch off at the door and leave it all behind untill their next shift, but they don't. The problem is to much government bullshit, to many stupid tarets and deadlines, to many suits and managers, not enough equipment and not enough support. Money is wasted paying for translators, forign signage and leaflets, a&e budgets wasted on pissheads, PCT funds wasted on druggies, money wasted on gastric bands and bypasses, fortunes spent on the professional breeders having too many kids, money wasted correcting fck ups made by private health companies like bupa...... The list of wastage is endless yet nurses are still expected to be perfect. The majority are with very little support. |
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Post by frasier45 on Jan 20, 2011 8:52:47 GMT
Alot are brought in from countries that would initially eat there own arse to get here
Then the reality kicks in
I've seen the poor care in four hospitals in the past few years
And lots more stories off others confirming what I've seen with my own eyes.
The personal touch of caring has slowly disappeared over the years & that's a fact
I could argue all day but, I'll stick by what I've seen
Years ago I'd have put my life in any hospitals hands without a second thought.
Nowadays I'd shit myself
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 20, 2011 9:17:11 GMT
Alot are brought in from countries that would initially eat there own arse to get here Then the reality kicks in I've seen the poor care in four hospitals in the past few years And lots more stories off others confirming what I've seen with my own eyes. The personal touch of caring has slowly disappeared over the years & that's a fact I could argue all day but, I'll stick by what I've seen Years ago I'd have put my life in any hospitals hands without a second thought. Nowadays I'd shit myself There must be a big variation from area to area then. I would not for one second question what you have seen or your expieience and i wouldn't doubt it is true, but i would disagree that its a 'fact' that all nurses are bad, but like you i can only comment from what i know and have seen. If there is a shortage of good nurses in some areas, that is probebley down to the way they are treated. I know a lot of nures are going abroad to places like Australia, where they are actually valued and paid well. Without wanting to sound like a cunt, i assume a lot of nurses in places like Stoke, where jobs are in short supply, are doing it as there is little elce available, which may explain some of the problem. In our area (Mid Yorkshire and Calderdale trusts), there are very few overseas nurses that i have seen. I know this is a huge problem in London and Places like Leeds though with a shortage of staff, but this is not going to improve with the increases in uni tuition fees as the ones who can afford it are unlikley to be the type of person who would go into nursing. It is true that we need more graduate nurses to take more control of treatment, rather than relying on unqualified Health Care Assistants, who with the best intentions, do not have the knowledge required, or taking what a consultant takes as gospel. Anti natal treatment that is nurse led and cancer screening that is nurse led should be examples that the NHS hold up to prove that if we train the best nurses, we don't need £300,000 a year consultants bleeding the service dry. But this leads us back to one of Mr Sausages favourate topics, jobs for the boys. sCameron isnt going to risk upsettiing these rich public school boys but they need reeling in. Another massive problem is the people running it. If wards were run by old style matrons who had seen and done it all, knew how to back up the nurses and get the best out of them, but also knew how to bollock them and keep them in line they would be much more productive. But instead we have pissy little ward managers whs only job is to order supplys, then make sure nobody uses them to keep costs down. I do agree that the NHS needs to be overhauled but the way it is being done is wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 9:57:22 GMT
'But this leads us back to one of Mr Sausages favourate topics, jobs for the boys' The NHS has been a 'jobs for the boys' gravy train for the last 13 years of Labour. Consultants, GPs and managers all getting huge pay rises for very little in return yet costing us a fortune. For many years the NHS has been costing us the same as far better services on the continent but guess what? It's made very little difference apart from make everything more expensive. And what's this shit about a two tier health system? It's already two tier and has been for decades. We have a ridiculousy romantic soft spot for the NHS when in reality it's a poor quality service that's become more and more expensive over the years. Quite why anyone feels all sentimental about a 'free at the point of entry' health service is beyond me - after all, we pay for it so as far as I'm concerned it should get the biggest fucking overall its ever seen to bring it up to the standards of our continental friends. Labour, of course, like to pull on the heart strings of the terminally stupid with quotes like 'Vera Sloppit from Oldham would have died in 1965 if it wasn't for the NHS and would never have seen her 4 beautiful daughters grow up' when the truth is that Vera Sloppit didn't have any choice but to use the big fat fucking NHS. |
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 20, 2011 10:27:14 GMT
'But this leads us back to one of Mr Sausages favourate topics, jobs for the boys' The NHS has been a 'jobs for the boys' gravy train for the last 13 years of Labour. Consultants, GPs and managers all getting huge pay rises for very little in return yet costing us a fortune. For many years the NHS has been costing us the same as far better services on the continent but guess what? It's made very little difference apart from make everything more expensive. And what's this shit about a two tier health system? It's already two tier and has been for decades. We have a ridiculousy romantic soft spot for the NHS when in reality it's a poor quality service that's become more and more expensive over the years. Quite why anyone feels all sentimental about a 'free at the point of entry' health service is beyond me - after all, we pay for it so as far as I'm concerned it should get the biggest fucking overall its ever seen to bring it up to the standards of our continental friends. Labour, of course, like to pull on the heart strings of the terminally stupid with quotes like 'Vera Sloppit from Oldham would have died in 1965 if it wasn't for the NHS and would never have seen her 4 beautiful daughters grow up' when the truth is that Vera Sloppit didn't have any choice but to use the big fat fucking NHS. So you wouldnt use it then? It has been overstreched for years now. Bogged down with a rising population who don't put anything into it but smoke, drink, breed and fight themselves to the hospital doors and expect to get the best care in the world. Time again for people to take resposability for themselves. You want to get so drunk that you pass out and end up in a&e? Fine, but you will be billed for it. You want to have infinite amounts of kids? Away you go, but you pay for the anti natal care and delivery of child 6,7 and 8. Mothers who smoke while pregnant should be given NO treatment. If you dont care enough about your baby to give up fags, why should we care enough to pay for it. Tabacoo and alcohol companies provide a lot of the problem cases for the NHS, so lets start billing them for each lung cancer case or each pissed up stabbing. Bill nightclubs to clean up after a fight, they would soon stop letting people get totally wasted then! Its not just the health service that needs an overhaul, its out whole 'someone elce will pay and clean up' society. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2011 10:33:56 GMT
'But this leads us back to one of Mr Sausages favourate topics, jobs for the boys' The NHS has been a 'jobs for the boys' gravy train for the last 13 years of Labour. Consultants, GPs and managers all getting huge pay rises for very little in return yet costing us a fortune. For many years the NHS has been costing us the same as far better services on the continent but guess what? It's made very little difference apart from make everything more expensive. And what's this shit about a two tier health system? It's already two tier and has been for decades. We have a ridiculousy romantic soft spot for the NHS when in reality it's a poor quality service that's become more and more expensive over the years. Quite why anyone feels all sentimental about a 'free at the point of entry' health service is beyond me - after all, we pay for it so as far as I'm concerned it should get the biggest fucking overall its ever seen to bring it up to the standards of our continental friends. Labour, of course, like to pull on the heart strings of the terminally stupid with quotes like 'Vera Sloppit from Oldham would have died in 1965 if it wasn't for the NHS and would never have seen her 4 beautiful daughters grow up' when the truth is that Vera Sloppit didn't have any choice but to use the big fat fucking NHS. So you wouldnt use it then? It has been overstreched for years now. Bogged down with a rising population who don't put anything into it but smoke, drink, breed and fight themselves to the hospital doors and expect to get the best care in the world. Time again for people to take resposability for themselves. You want to get so drunk that you pass out and end up in a&e? Fine, but you will be billed for it. You want to have infinite amounts of kids? Away you go, but you pay for the anti natal care and delivery of child 6,7 and 8. Mothers who smoke while pregnant should be given NO treatment. If you dont care enough about your baby to give up fags, why should we care enough to pay for it. Tabacoo and alcohol companies provide a lot of the problem cases for the NHS, so lets start billing them for each lung cancer case or each pissed up stabbing. Bill nightclubs to clean up after a fight, they would soon stop letting people get totally wasted then! Its not just the health service that needs an overhaul, its out whole 'someone elce will pay and clean up' society. Of course I use it for some things but as I said, I haven't got a great deal of choice. I totally agree with you but I'm afraid you're fighting a losing battle - especially with the NHS in its current guise. |
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Post by frasier45 on Jan 20, 2011 11:10:58 GMT
YP -only had time to glance.
I don't think I said all nurses are crap
More to the point that there's far less quality nurses
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 20, 2011 11:49:15 GMT
The personal touch of caring has slowly disappeared over the years & that's a fact I am worried that all the cuts are putting more strain on what is already wank nursing due to labour throwing money in the wrong places Hostpitals And quality nursing are Fcukin shocking compared to years ago Ill give you the benefit of the doubt  |
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Post by frasier45 on Jan 20, 2011 12:07:20 GMT
"what is already Wank nursing "
Yes, I should have put there is the odd exceptional nurse and a few more half decent nurses
But very few compared with years ago
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