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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 19, 2011 10:00:43 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12216967"All too often[glow=red,2,300] society[/glow] is failing to equip young children with the social and emotional skills they need in life, he says." "The prime objective of this should be "to produce high levels of 'school readiness' for all children, regardless of income," he says." No doubt i will get slated again, but is that not the basic task of a parent, to prepare their children for school? So not only do we have to provide their income because so many parents won't work, we have to fund people to bring them up because the parents can't do it properly. Just another case of personal responsibility being an alien concept to far to many. Cue abuse for daring to have an opinion  NB- This is not a rant against people who have lost their jobs, struggling in low pay jobs, struggling through illness etc etc etc, this is a dig at people who are CHOOSING to live on benefits, not work and neglect their kids because they cant be arsed. A section of society that, as much as some on here deny exists, is huge and growing!
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Post by frasier45 on Jan 19, 2011 10:29:53 GMT
We as parents, in the first instance, need to toughen our kids up to what's around the corner Not just for this country but, the whole world. Also, As a race, we now take everything for granted and have lost our stiff upper lip and fight. We need to stop complaining and do our best... Including helping the less fortunate rather than expecting the government to help them. It's the people of this country that are crippling it not the government. Slightly off track there ;D Although, society has created this bubble we live in and now it's deflating rapidly No one knows what to do. I say...Back to basics, starting with parenting  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2011 11:01:15 GMT
Never going to happen now, the scum are breeding quicker than real devoted parents (as above not a dig at those who cannot get a job), a couple of generations down the line and we are going to see the country in the right shit, maybe a revolution?
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 19, 2011 14:17:28 GMT
It's parents failing. But, what do you then do for the kids whose parents just aren't up to the job? It's not the children's fault their parents are rubbish and shouldn't have had kids they can't handle or understand. So, society has to kick in and do all we can to catch them imho - but to blame society not the individual parents is just daft.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 19, 2011 14:21:27 GMT
It's parents failing. But, what do you then do for the kids whose parents just aren't up to the job? It's not the children's fault their parents are rubbish and shouldn't have had kids they can't handle or understand. So, society has to kick in and do all we can to catch them imho - but to blame society not the individual parents is just daft. enforced sterisation how many parents "not up to the job" keep breeding |
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Jan 19, 2011 14:26:57 GMT
It's parents failing. But, what do you then do for the kids whose parents just aren't up to the job? It's not the children's fault their parents are rubbish and shouldn't have had kids they can't handle or understand. So, society has to kick in and do all we can to catch them imho - but to blame society not the individual parents is just daft. enforced sterisation how many parents "not up to the job" keep breeding and that helps the kids who've been born already how? It's a bit late for them. I agree that it's the parent's fault not societies though. |
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jan 19, 2011 14:28:06 GMT
Dear Salop, You are a nazi for suggesting that. Regards, The lefties.  The very least we should do is remove the incentive to produce loads of kids, ie stop handing them everything on a platter, but as soon as it is suggested their is uproar about them being badly treated. Somebody with multiple kids who has never worked SHOULD NOT be able to afford thing that thoses of us who work hard cannot. How can anybody defend that? |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 19, 2011 14:32:52 GMT
it all comes back that a families benefits should never be more than 40 hours than the minimum wage
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Post by mozzer68 on Jan 19, 2011 14:41:41 GMT
It's the fault of the parents.
I know people who work in local schools, Kids have no respect.
They disrupt classes, abuse staff, & when the school disipline them, the parents are up in arms.
This is not just people who won't work it is a wide range of people.
We have created a nanny culture where pamperd mard-arse kids can do as they like cos their feckless lazy parents let them
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Post by elystokie on Jan 19, 2011 14:50:54 GMT
It's the fault of the parents. I know people who work in local schools, Kids have no respect. They disrupt classes, abuse staff, & when the school disipline them, the parents are up in arms. This is not just people who won't work it is a wide range of people. We have created a nanny culture where pamperd mard-arse kids can do as they like cos their feckless lazy parents let them Is it something that's followed on from the increase in family break ups? People think nothing nowadays about getting divorced, which leaves either a single parent family (usually the woman) or a family with a 'new' father who isn't the biological father of some or all of the kids. In the single parent case, I think the woman in some instances is unable to impose the same level of discipline as a father could. In the case of remarrying, maybe sometimes the stepfather feels he hasn't got the rights or the kids take no notice anyway? Then there's the obvious cases where the parents just can't be arsed. It's hard to identify the exact problem, let alone find a solution. I feel for the teachers, we should never have got rid of corporal punishment imo. |
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Post by mozzer68 on Jan 19, 2011 15:14:19 GMT
Teachers are powerless without effective corporal punishment.
All this human rights bollocks has seen to that coupled with the "i will sue you" culture.
Until parents start taking responsability & teaching kids right from wrong, then we will always be fighting a losing battle.
It seems that the kids rule the parents, not the other way around.
I knew that if i ever had the cane at school then i would be in even more trouble when i got home. it just wasn't worth the hassle
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Post by mistersausage on Jan 19, 2011 15:31:12 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12216967"All too often[glow=red,2,300] society[/glow] is failing to equip young children with the social and emotional skills they need in life, he says." "The prime objective of this should be "to produce high levels of 'school readiness' for all children, regardless of income," he says." No doubt i will get slated again, but is that not the basic task of a parent, to prepare their children for school? So not only do we have to provide their income because so many parents won't work, we have to fund people to bring them up because the parents can't do it properly. Just another case of personal responsibility being an alien concept to far to many. Cue abuse for daring to have an opinion NB- This is not a rant against people who have lost their jobs, struggling in low pay jobs, struggling through illness etc etc etc, this is a dig at people who are CHOOSING to live on benefits, not work and neglect their kids because they cant be arsed. A section of society that, as much as some on here deny exists, is huge and growing! Both |
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Post by Jimmy Cooper on Jan 19, 2011 17:55:02 GMT
Ban children I say.
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Post by foster on Jan 19, 2011 18:00:08 GMT
Both, but mainly lazy parents who neglect their children.
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