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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 8:25:06 GMT
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Post by Binndy on Jan 17, 2011 8:34:33 GMT
Fingers crossed he will be a stokie by the end of the day and netting a few goals for us.
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 8:35:49 GMT
Fingers crossed he will be a stokie by the end of the day and netting a few goals for us. Is that a fingers crossed as in you hope? .....or a fingers crossed as in you know something?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 8:36:29 GMT
What a load of bollocks, painting us out like that.
Firstly, why would we fabricate a failed medical if Pulis was in fact so desperate to land him.
Secondly, we have the money, if there wasn't a medical problem then I have no doubt that Coates would stump up.
Thirdly, Pulis won't be desperate, I'm sure he has other irons in the fire if this ultimately does not come off, and surely a loan move would now be in all interests since he has shown his ambition to sign for us, and as they say will not be playing for them again.
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 8:38:42 GMT
I think its a reverse fabrication, if that makes sense??
They are trying to make a point that they wont loan him so that we try and make an offer to sign permanently again which we wont do.
But as they say, they are resigned to the fact he wont play for them again so why would they keep him?
Sounds like they are making the medical sound a lie so other clubs may come in for a permanent deal
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 17, 2011 8:38:53 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Hoffenheim are so dead set against a loan as it appears to be the obvious way forward. The only other way would be to drop the price but that could ened up with Hoffenheim ending up with less cash. A loan at least gives them the chance of getting the full price eventually.
Not sure why this couldn't have gone on the new signings thread - maybe Admin will put it there.
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 8:41:53 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Hoffenheim are so dead set against a loan as it appears to be the obvious way forward. The only other way would be to drop the price but that could ened up with Hoffenheim ending up with less cash. A loan at least gives them the chance of getting the full price eventually. Not sure why this couldn't have gone on the new signings thread - maybe Admin will put it there. Why? |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 17, 2011 8:45:36 GMT
I'm a bit surprised that Hoffenheim are so dead set against a loan as it appears to be the obvious way forward. The only other way would be to drop the price but that could ened up with Hoffenheim ending up with less cash. A loan at least gives them the chance of getting the full price eventually. Not sure why this couldn't have gone on the new signings thread - maybe Admin will put it there. Why? It is an opinion - I don't have to justify it! ;D |
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 8:47:09 GMT
It is an opinion - I don't have to justify it! ;D Haha, sorry. I just meant the last bit The New Signings thread is just turning into a joke. Only baout 1 in 15 posts is about new signings, the rest is just people having an off topic chat n takin the piss! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 8:49:48 GMT
Agree with Lakeland - surely if he's burned his bridges there they stand a better chance of getting a decent fee if he's banging them in on loan than if he's rotting in their reserves?
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Jan 17, 2011 8:53:50 GMT
It is an opinion - I don't have to justify it! ;D Haha, sorry. I just meant the last bit The New Signings thread is just turning into a joke. Only baout 1 in 15 posts is about new signings, the rest is just people having an off topic chat n takin the piss! Sorry.  |
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Post by Binndy on Jan 17, 2011 9:11:02 GMT
The issue is that his knee is still recovering and may or may not fully repair it self. I can see that stoke city are being cautious, the knee has been strong enough for him to net 6 goals,this season and i know it not my money, but I would take the gamble and pay the 7.1 m. Players are always carrying injuries, recovering and playing after surgery. so I dont think they are pulling a fast one .Just dont know if to take the gamble of his knee fully repairing it self. I have an opionion that 7m is not a great amount of money in football we may have ourselves a bargin or if he nets a few goals and helps to keep stoke city in the PL and his knee remains a bit dodgy ,well ,still money well spent.There are other goal scorers out there.so let see.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 17, 2011 9:12:57 GMT
If Stoke won't buy him and Hoff won't loan him, then we have an impasse.
Their obvious card is to say they knew of no problem (they don't want to be seen as flogging damaged goods), but equally, can't go too far as i. he failed one before i believe & ii. it must be a matter of fact that he failed an official medical - if he didn't, we could be sued by Ba (it is potentially damaging to his career) & by Hoff.
Equally, i think the club should not allow Hoff to go too far down the "Stoke are trying to pull a fast one" route - hopefully without falling out first & wheeling out the international lawyers - Jezza - job for you mate.
I think TP's "desperation" and Hoff's determination not to sell him will result in a compromise - hopefully sooner.
& To keep you happy Forny, i'll duplicate it onto the NS thread - how's that?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 17, 2011 9:20:47 GMT
I'm sure that Hoffenheim's worry about loaning him out is that if his knee does explode, nobody will take him on and they'll be stuck with one of (presumably) their highest earners on their books who is effectively receiving an absolute ton of money for sitting around dwindling his career away.
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Post by potterglen on Jan 17, 2011 9:46:27 GMT
Leave well alone and let Hoffenheim continue to pay his wages, we have one lardy dud at Stoke already - he'll still be there in the summer by all accounts.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 17, 2011 9:54:02 GMT
I think it's just Hoffenheim trying to play the game and get a better deal but there is no way we'll pay anything like the fee we had agreed and I think we'll do a deal for loan with view to buy at the end of the window.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jan 17, 2011 9:54:24 GMT
Dean ashton allllllllllllllll over again
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 17, 2011 10:00:41 GMT
The way I see ift finishing is if a desperate team comes in for him who are willing to throw there money around regardless of the risks to keep themselves in the Premiership.
Can't think of anyone to hand ;0).
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Post by stokemark on Jan 17, 2011 10:01:33 GMT
Im personally more than happy with Ric, Kenwyne and Tunc
Ba is a luxury we now no longer need or can afford to take a chance on
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Post by mozzer68 on Jan 17, 2011 10:07:08 GMT
It only seems to happen to Stoke.
A seemingly very decent player,
deal agreed.
both sides happy.
then a bloody failed medical!
Still got a feeling this isn't a dead deal, if he isn't going to play for them again, they will be more desperate to get rid as the transfer window draws to the end
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 17, 2011 10:07:55 GMT
Im personally more than happy with Ric, Kenwyne and TuncBa is a luxury we now no longer need or can afford to take a chance on
Walters was an odd one at the time & is now looking bonkers (with us clearly targeting ano goal scorer) and Mama? Well, all due respect and all that but, i think we've moved on anyway.
We'll be alright with them but far from prolific, so if we're serious about pushing on, we simply need better. |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Jan 17, 2011 10:23:50 GMT
Why put it on the new signings thread?
I'm sick of sifting through page after bastard page.
Fuck it off, Daveviews is playing a guessing game and the vast majority still have both fists firmly placed up his arse.
Jaysus
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Post by serpico on Jan 17, 2011 10:25:26 GMT
I'd rather a separate thread for new news, you have to rifle through about 30 pages to find anything on the new signings thread.
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 10:43:23 GMT
Why put it on the new signings thread? I'm sick of sifting through page after bastard page. Fuck it off, Daveviews is playing a guessing game and the vast majority still have both fists firmly placed up his arse. Jaysus I'd rather a separate thread for new news, you have to rifle through about 30 pages to find anything on the new signings thread. My point exactly, hence why its here! Anyway, on the subject... it seems obvious to everyone what the situation is and its just a matter of time...or a case of time running out before Hoff finally give in and agree something |
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Post by Afrojack on Jan 17, 2011 10:45:49 GMT
I'm sure that Hoffenheim's worry about loaning him out is that if his knee does explode, nobody will take him on and they'll be stuck with one of (presumably) their highest earners on their books who is effectively receiving an absolute ton of money for sitting around dwindling his career away. This is a very good point though and understandable |
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Post by Parksy on Jan 17, 2011 10:48:13 GMT
I'm sure that Hoffenheim's worry about loaning him out is that if his knee does explode, nobody will take him on and they'll be stuck with one of (presumably) their highest earners on their books who is effectively receiving an absolute ton of money for sitting around dwindling his career away. This is a very good point though and understandable I would have thought that Stoke would be made to take out specific insurance to cover that eventuality |
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 17, 2011 10:48:24 GMT
It looks like a negotiating position; a deal had been struck but hit a snag, from the German viewpoint he has been playing (and scoring) so is ok; they are aware of his knee problem but already have their money invested in him; his knee problem is a fact and can be independantly verified by them; I suspect that they are playing to their fans to an extent and that a compromise will be tabled.
Any other club (and he wants Premier League) would have to be deparate indeed as he will not attract reasonable insurance and the club would need to carry the entire risk.
Common sense will prevail;
When I had my knee op (last August) it was suggested 18months before it was back to "normal" but I am older and not nearly as fit!!
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Post by Irish Stokie on Jan 17, 2011 10:48:55 GMT
I'd rather a separate thread for new news, you have to rifle through about 30 pages to find anything on the new signings thread. I'd agree with that, i dont mind anyone putting up transfer rumours on the new signings thread but most of the time it's people taking shite that has nothing to do with new signings. |
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Post by redditchpotter on Jan 17, 2011 10:49:31 GMT
IMHO we should try to get him on the cheap,or leave well alone.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 17, 2011 10:59:26 GMT
Dean ashton allllllllllllllll over again But Dean Ashton passed his medical and then retired from football a few days later! Is Ba the first player ever to fail a medical with Pulis as manager His knee must be bad  Delap was signed with his leg in plaster! |
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Delap was signed with his leg in plaster!
